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Allow sex at 13, says lawyer, and end 'witch-hunt’ of old men

Barbara Hewson says Savile scandal has resulted in the unjust 'persecution of old men’

LAST UPDATED AT 14:53 ON Thu 9 May 2013

A PROMINENT lawyer has called for the age of consent in the UK to be lowered to 13, claiming the move would end "the persecution of old men" that has emerged in the wake of the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal.

Barbara Hewson, a barrister at Hardwicke chambers in London, also argues that complainants should no longer receive anonymity and says that Britain has started "a witch-hunt of ageing celebs" echoing trials held in the Soviet Union.

In an article for the online magazine Spiked, Hewson argues that Operation Yewtree - the investigation created to deal with the Savile abuse scandal - is the work of moral crusaders intent on "policing all aspects of personal life".

Hewson, who specialises in reproductive rights, says the crimes committed by broadcaster Stuart Hall, who last week pleaded guilty to a number of indecent assaults, were not serious crimes but merely "low-level" misdemeanours.

"What we have here is the manipulation of the British criminal justice system to produce scapegoats on demand."

Hewson writes that "touching a 17-year-old’s breast, kissing a 13-year-old, or putting one’s hand up a 16-year-old’s skirt" are not comparable to cases such as the Ealing vicarage rape or the Fordingbridge gang rape and murders from 1986.

As well as reducing the age of consent and removing complainant anonymity, Hewson calls for a strict statute of limitations for criminal prosecutions and civil actions.

Reacting to Hewson’s comments, Peter Watt, director of the NSPCC helpline, said such "outdated and simply ill-informed views" from a highly experience barrister were appalling: "Stuart Hall has pleaded guilty to abusing children as young as nine years old, we think most people would agree that crimes of this nature are incredibly serious".

Watt adds that lowering the age of consent would increase the risk from those who prey on vulnerable young people.

Hewson’s employers at Hardwicke sought to distance themselves from her comments: a spokesperson for the legal chambers said they had not seen or approved the article and were "shocked" by Hewson’s views. ·


Read more: Barbara Hewson: allow sex at 13 to stop 'witch-hunt' of old men | News | The Week UK < click


told ya!

this is their plan. they said so. bestiality is next and is mainsteaming now (trial runs/beta-testing - t.v.; movies; billboards and ads)
the F.S. said they will not stop until we reach necrophilia and cannibalism.
look it up.
on record.

total destruction of "the West" (they meant and said Christianity)
start with usury and sodomy...inch forward.
now look.
hold fast people.
 

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And again I ask, just what part of this screams 'rule of Christ' to you?
 

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Sorry. On subject, there was an article in the LA times a month ago telling about how the propeller heads were finding that pedophilia is based upon the same now accepted 'hardwiring' as homosexuality. Tic toc tic toc
 

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this from "Lawyer" Barbara Hewson (a sleeper in place for exactly this time and purpose - look into her history in public life and politics if you feel like it):

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Wednesday 8 May 2013
Yewtree is destroying the rule of law

With its emphasis on outcomes over process, the post-Savile witch-hunting of ageing celebs echoes the Soviet Union.
Barbara Hewson

I do not support the persecution of old men. The manipulation of the rule of law by the Savile Inquisition – otherwise known as Operation Yewtree – and its attendant zealots poses a far graver threat to society than anything Jimmy Savile ever did.

spiked | Yewtree is destroying the rule of law < click

going after pedo-rings in gov't and media is an inquisition; and far worse than the crimes themselves.
see? 2+2=5

and soon, i'm not kidding, you will be jailed or drugged (re-education) for suggesting otherwise.
if the 'authorities' say a man who wears a dress is a legal woman, and you say...no, that's a man in a dress - off you go.
assent to illogic and corruption or face tribunals.
 

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Stop persecuting ageing celebrities and lower age of consent: UK barrister Barbara Hewson

BRITISH barrister Barbara Hewson wants the age of consent to be lowered to 13 in Britain in a bid to end the "persecution of old men" like disgraced former BBC presenter Stuart Hall.

But the legal chambers where she works says it is shocked by her comments and disassociated itself from her views.

In an article for online publication Spiked, Hewson, a barrister at Hardwicke chambers in London, who specialises in reproductive rights, called for the end of anonymity for complainants.

And the human rights lawyer labelled crimes committed by Hall, who recently admitted indecently assaulting 13 girls, the youngest aged just nine, as "low-level misdemeanours".

In a statement, Hardwicke said: "We are shocked by the views expressed in Barbara Hewson's article in Spiked.

Stop persecuting ageing celebrities and lower age of consent: UK barrister Barbara Hewson | thetelegraph.com.au < click


"We are shocked by the views expressed in Barbara Hewson's article in Spiked" - OH SURE:rolleyes:. why? i'm not.

that whole court system is IN ON IT.
they're all part of it. they'll change the laws eventually.
they're all buddies.

all weirdo Masonic gangsters.
eh....
 
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Allow sex at 13, says lawyer, and end 'witch-hunt’ of old men

Barbara Hewson says Savile scandal has resulted in the unjust 'persecution of old men’

LAST UPDATED AT 14:53 ON Thu 9 May 2013

A PROMINENT lawyer has called for the age of consent in the UK to be lowered to 13, claiming the move would end "the persecution of old men" that has emerged in the wake of the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal.

Barbara Hewson, a barrister at Hardwicke chambers in London, also argues that complainants should no longer receive anonymity and says that Britain has started "a witch-hunt of ageing celebs" echoing trials held in the Soviet Union.

In an article for the online magazine Spiked, Hewson argues that Operation Yewtree - the investigation created to deal with the Savile abuse scandal - is the work of moral crusaders intent on "policing all aspects of personal life".

Hewson, who specialises in reproductive rights, says the crimes committed by broadcaster Stuart Hall, who last week pleaded guilty to a number of indecent assaults, were not serious crimes but merely "low-level" misdemeanours.

"What we have here is the manipulation of the British criminal justice system to produce scapegoats on demand."

Hewson writes that "touching a 17-year-old’s breast, kissing a 13-year-old, or putting one’s hand up a 16-year-old’s skirt" are not comparable to cases such as the Ealing vicarage rape or the Fordingbridge gang rape and murders from 1986.

As well as reducing the age of consent and removing complainant anonymity, Hewson calls for a strict statute of limitations for criminal prosecutions and civil actions.

Reacting to Hewson’s comments, Peter Watt, director of the NSPCC helpline, said such "outdated and simply ill-informed views" from a highly experience barrister were appalling: "Stuart Hall has pleaded guilty to abusing children as young as nine years old, we think most people would agree that crimes of this nature are incredibly serious".

Watt adds that lowering the age of consent would increase the risk from those who prey on vulnerable young people.

Hewson’s employers at Hardwicke sought to distance themselves from her comments: a spokesperson for the legal chambers said they had not seen or approved the article and were "shocked" by Hewson’s views. ·


Read more: Barbara Hewson: allow sex at 13 to stop 'witch-hunt' of old men | News | The Week UK < click


told ya!

this is their plan. they said so. bestiality is next and is mainsteaming now (trial runs/beta-testing - t.v.; movies; billboards and ads)
the F.S. said they will not stop until we reach necrophilia and cannibalism.
look it up.
on record.

total destruction of "the West" (they meant and said Christianity)
start with usury and sodomy...inch forward.
now look.
hold fast people.
Excuse ignorance :) but what does FS stand for?
:) thank you <><
 
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Excuse ignorance :) but what does FS stand for?
:) thank you <><
It's the Frankfurt School.

Basic info from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

Political correctness...tolerance...social justice......all FS buzzwords.

If you ever wondered how society changed so dramatically
in the last hundred years or so, it's all from the FS agenda.
 
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Oh! Here's a thought...what if "aging celebrities" stop persecuting children?

Nah, I guess that would be crazy.
 

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I keep feeling like an agenda is being played out over here regarding all this exposing relating to men and young children.

I consider they are trying to lessen the feeling toward this type of behaviour.

not sure, but something odd about how the protection is being pulled on those house hold names that people have grown up watching...

There was a time when homosexuality was deemed wrong but now it is embraced.

The world with no boundaries and rule except (if it feels good do it...)

No thank you, there is One Good and that is where my heart is.
 
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I heard the other day that the DMSV is making it an official mental illness, a clinical depression, if you are still depressed 2 weeks after a loved one dies....2 weeks!! It is then acceptable to give medication apparently. The is also talk of making ' road rage' an official 'condition'.
Oh dear. I can sort of see where this is going...alcoholism is now referred to as an illness, not a poor choice leading to multiple illnesses. So how long now till rapists and paedophiles are also ill. Then I suppose Christians who stand up for the truth will be ill too.....Here in the Uk Richard Dawkins already tells us if we bring up a child as a Christian, we are committing child abuse.
Well, I am not cast down :) I know my redeemer lives and that in the end He will stand upon the earth. <><
 

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From this morning's LA Times: "Schools would have to allow transgender students to participate on sports teams and use bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity, not their sex, under a measure passed by the California assembly on Thursday".

Codified sin!
 

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From this morning's LA Times: "Schools would have to allow transgender students to participate on sports teams and use bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity, not their sex, under a measure passed by the California assembly on Thursday".

Codified sin!
there's method in this madness ricky...it's not just some great blob of rank sin suddenly appearing (though it is certainly that).
it's a carefully crafted AGENDA.






A distinguished professor of law and philosophy at the University of Chicago, a prolific writer and award-winning thinker, Martha Nussbaum stands as one of our foremost authorities on law, justice, freedom, morality, and emotion. In From Disgust to Humanity, Nussbaum aims her considerable intellectual firepower at the bulwark of opposition to gay equality: the politics of disgust.

Nussbaum argues that disgust has long been among the fundamental motivations of those who are fighting for legal discrimination against lesbian and gay citizens. When confronted with same-sex acts and relationships, she writes, they experience "a deep aversion akin to that inspired by bodily wastes, slimy insects, and spoiled food--and then cite that very reaction to justify a range of legal restrictions, from sodomy laws to bans on same-sex marriage." Leon Kass, former head of President Bush's President's Council on Bioethics, even argues that this repugnance has an inherent "wisdom," steering us away from destructive choices. Nussbaum believes that the politics of disgust must be confronted directly, for it contradicts the basic principle of the equality of all citizens under the law. "It says that the mere fact that you happen to make me want to vomit is reason enough for me to treat you as a social pariah, denying you some of your most basic entitlements as a citizen." In its place she offers a "politics of humanity," based not merely on respect, but something akin to love, an uplifting imaginative engagement with others, an active effort to see the world from their perspectives, as fellow human beings. Combining rigorous analysis of the leading constitutional cases with philosophical reflection about underlying concepts of privacy, respect, discrimination, and liberty, Nussbaum discusses issues ranging from non-discrimination and same-sex marriage to "public sex." Recent landmark decisions suggest that the views of state and federal courts are shifting toward a humanity-centered vision, and Nussbaum's powerful arguments will undoubtedly advance that cause.

Incisive, rigorous, and deeply humane, From Disgust to Humanity is a stunning contribution to Oxford's distinguished Inalienable Rights series.

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this is all about the the marxists vowing to take man down from his throne, make him -

1) understand he is only an animal
2) make him into one

but never forget:

all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

4 legs bad...two legs good.
 
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there's method in this madness ricky...it's not just some great blob of rank sin suddenly appearing (though it is certainly that).
it's a carefully crafted AGENDA.
Oh absolutely, an agenda some 6,000 years in the making.
 

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BREAKING NEWS...
Public sharpen pitchforks and gather torches after lawyer expresses personal opinion.

Today public are outraged that someone expressed an opinion on something, however that something is lowering age of consent to 13 in the UK. "Its the end of world as we know it" and "I am going to have to lock my daughter in my basement until shes 21" were a couple replies which reflected the general opinion from worried parents.

Tomorrow we have a report from another angry mob who are claiming that the breakdown of society is immanent due to seeing a sign someone had written.
 
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BREAKING NEWS...
Public sharpen pitchforks and gather torches after lawyer expresses personal opinion.

Today public are outraged that someone expressed an opinion on something, however that something is lowering age of consent to 13 in the UK. "Its the end of world as we know it" and "I am going to have to lock my daughter in my basement until shes 21" were a couple replies which reflected the general opinion from worried parents.

Tomorrow we have a report from another angry mob who are claiming that the breakdown of society is immanent due to seeing a sign someone had written.
Good to see you responded without reading. Or thinking the concept through. Makes you look very intelligent.
 

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Good to see you responded without reading. Or thinking the concept through. Makes you look very intelligent.
Thank you for kind comments, I am glad someone thinks that I am intelligent.

As for the whole issue of age of consent, the lawyer has a good point, but came across in wrong way, suprising for a lawyer.

Anyway I still say what is the problem? It maybe a cultural shock for a number of people, especailly in conservative America, but if you take a closer look at your Bible you will see how age for being married was as soon as a child hit puberty, even a few hundred years ago, 14 year olds were considered adults and put out to work with other men.

There was no such thing as age of concent either, as you could only have sex when you are married, and rightly so. Having an age restriction on this issue of sexual realtionship is a relativly new thing, it simply shows how immoral we have become where we need seperate laws for this kind of thing.

Law - No sex before Marriage.
Law - Marriage permissable at 14

Therefore no need for an age of consent, because only time you can legally have sex is with your spouce, which is how GOd intended it.

However in this God forsaken immoral world people will have sex with whomever they want whenever they want and at whatever age they fancy. If you lower the age of concent, it will just let people do what they are doing anyway, but legally, no more arresting two 15 year olds for "doing it", which is what happened a while ago.

But what about protecting children I hear peope cry, well obviously they are still protected but under different laws, I can not force myself on a woman or touch a woman inapropriatly without risking arrest and imprisonment, so those laws will then protect the 14 year old as well.

However as we have seen with the latest scandels, existing laws of consent do nothing anyway, just as banning guns will not stop criminals from shooting people.

What this law will allow though are a number of relationships to carry on without risk of breaking the law, for example one of my teachers was having a secret relationship with someoen in my class, no one knew about it until she left school and it was made public. I beleive they are still married.

Many of these celebraties being hounded, I wonder what ages the girls were? people are prosecuted under same law for anyone under 16, so someone who is 18 having a relationship with a 15 year old, will still be put on sex offenders register and branded as a Paedophile, which again has happened.

Many countries around the world have this age at 14, so its no big deal really.
 

zone

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Thank you for kind comments, I am glad someone thinks that I am intelligent.

As for the whole issue of age of consent, the lawyer has a good point, but came across in wrong way, suprising for a lawyer.

Anyway I still say what is the problem? It maybe a cultural shock for a number of people, especailly in conservative America, but if you take a closer look at your Bible you will see how age for being married was as soon as a child hit puberty, even a few hundred years ago, 14 year olds were considered adults and put out to work with other men.

There was no such thing as age of concent either, as you could only have sex when you are married, and rightly so. Having an age restriction on this issue of sexual realtionship is a relativly new thing, it simply shows how immoral we have become where we need seperate laws for this kind of thing.

Law - No sex before Marriage.
Law - Marriage permissable at 14

Therefore no need for an age of consent, because only time you can legally have sex is with your spouce, which is how GOd intended it.

However in this God forsaken immoral world people will have sex with whomever they want whenever they want and at whatever age they fancy. If you lower the age of concent, it will just let people do what they are doing anyway, but legally, no more arresting two 15 year olds for "doing it", which is what happened a while ago.

But what about protecting children I hear peope cry, well obviously they are still protected but under different laws, I can not force myself on a woman or touch a woman inapropriatly without risking arrest and imprisonment, so those laws will then protect the 14 year old as well.

However as we have seen with the latest scandels, existing laws of consent do nothing anyway, just as banning guns will not stop criminals from shooting people.

What this law will allow though are a number of relationships to carry on without risk of breaking the law, for example one of my teachers was having a secret relationship with someoen in my class, no one knew about it until she left school and it was made public. I beleive they are still married.

Many of these celebraties being hounded, I wonder what ages the girls were? people are prosecuted under same law for anyone under 16, so someone who is 18 having a relationship with a 15 year old, will still be put on sex offenders register and branded as a Paedophile, which again has happened.

Many countries around the world have this age at 14, so its no big deal really.
Thursday, 24 January 2013 10:35

After Exposure of Pedophile BBC Star, Probe Widens to U.K. Parliament

Written by Alex Newman

Following the public exposure of late BBC celebrity Jimmy Savile as a pedophile monster who sexually abused hundreds of children over a period of decades — sometimes as part of a satanic ring, according to victims cited in news reports — British police announced last week that the investigation into child sex abuse was widening to include some members of Parliament. However, the police themselves are under fire for declining on multiple occasions to file charges against Savile, whose monstrous crime spree has been called “unprecedented” in U.K. history.

Savile hosted wildly popular television shows for the state-funded BBC and was something of a legend in the United Kingdom — he was even knighted by the Queen. However, during that time, the DJ and media celebrity had also been the target of numerous complaints over the years from individuals claiming he had sexually abused them. Many people he worked with knew. Despite several police investigations, the pedophile — who often bragged about his connections in the police force — was never prosecuted. He died a celebrity in 2011 at 84 years old.

After Exposure of Pedophile BBC Star, Probe Widens to U.K. Parliament < click
 

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What is your point Zone? I am not sure what you are trying to convey by highlighting my comment in red and posting old news about Saville.
 

zone

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CHARLES' LINKS TO SAVILE

12th May 2013 By Jonthan Corke, Deborah Sherwood, Rick Lyons

A TOP-level cover-up was ordered to hide close links between Prince Charles and paedo Jimmy Savile, we can reveal today.

The full truth has been uncovered following a seven-month battle by the Daily Star Sunday.

A raft of documents was released last year showing former Prime Minister Maggie Thatcher’s dealings with Savile.

But Whitehall mandarins ordered key paragraphs to be blanked out to save people’s blushes.

We challenged that ruling under Freedom Of Information laws and were initially turned down.

It was only after a further appeal, when we said it was in the public interest to expose what Thatcher and her officials were discussing, that the information was finally released last week.

It shows Savile claimed Prince Charles had agreed to be a patron of one of his charities – and, crucially, last year someone in power had decided we shouldn’t know that fact, despite it being common knowledge that the Prince and weirdo Savile were pals.
Daily Star