British Soldier Murdered by Muslim Terrorists in London.

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Because of hatred of what happened and it is growing, because of this act, mosque windows are being broken, the flesh always want's to get even. Remember, knowing Jesus as Lord we are to be crucified in the flesh, and the desires of it, to attack back, there are many places that say, {vengence belongs to me, I will repay} { leave room for the Lord to recompense the reward back to the evil doers}{ for evil doers will soon be cut down} The Lord God's hand was in this and is. They are not marterys, according to their belief if they would be shot, they would go to be with an imaginary fake person they call alh. Now they will suffer for the rest of their lives in hell's prison's gates. I don't know about the prizon's there, but in the us, states like mexico, Texas, prisoners do not live long, or are dehumanized daily by other gang members. { There is no peace unto the wicked, for they are as the troubled sea, tossed to and fro.} God's hand is greater and He shown himself greater in this, than an alleh, They lived to live a living hell alive and the greatest achievments of blowing themselves up and going to be with aleh did not come to pass. Our God Is Greater, Greater and More Powerfull, and is the only GOD. Please pray for this family. That the Hand of God the Living God will recompense.
 

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who opens the doors to evil in their hearts. This was cruelest animals, but people walk around with weapons of distruction every day in their hearts, not seen in the hand. May the Lord Help and provide for this family, please pray for them.
Well, that's another issue dear. For sure no sinner is not better than another sinner. My rhetoric was purely political. There is a political goal to be achieved by allowing mass immigration to the west. The islamization of the west was brought about by an political agenda. Not a christian such, for sure. Take care.
 

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British Ministers Call For Mass Government Snooping In Wake Of Woolwich Attack

Politicians never let a good crisis go to waste

Steve Watson
Prisonplanet.com
May 23, 2013

Following the brutal murder of a young soldier in London, British politicians have called for the resurrection of a bill that was shelved last month that would see the creation of a dragnet surveillance database, allowing police and intelligence agencies to effectively monitor the communications of everyone in the country.

The so-called “snoopers’ charter”, a proposed database of everyone’s internet and phone usage, was blocked last month by The Deputy Prime Minister, and Liberal Democrat leader, Nick Clegg, who cited “significant reduction in personal privacy”.

However, Conservatives in government intentionally left the door open for a revival of the legislation.

Seizing on the horrific Woolwich attack, both Conservative and Labour Party politicians are calling for the plan to be brought back.

Lord West, the former First Sea Lord and security minister, told reporters that shelving the scheme on Clegg’s say so was a “terrible mistake”.

“That information is extremely important for our security services to be able to pin down people, find out who they were linked with, find out who radicalised them,” West told Sky News.

“Was it just themselves or was there someone radicalising more people? We need to know this information and I do think that the Communications Data Bill that was due to come through but has been put on pause by the Deputy Prime Minister, I think that’s a terrible mistake.” he added.

The Conservative minister for faith and communities, Baroness Warsi, also indicated that the big brother legislation should be resurrected.

“Like with any situation I’m sure people will analyse how things could be done better and I’m sure people will have a lessons-learnt exercise,” she said, adding that at some point the Communications data bill would “play into the debate.”

Lord Reid, the former Labour Home Secretary, claimed that enabled mass monitoring of communications is “essential” to combating terrorism. He added that politicians should not wait further for “some huge tragedy” to prove that scrapping the bill was the wrong thing to do.

“Had we not had that method of connecting people through their communications, 2,500 people would probably have been blown out of the sky over the United Kingdom.” he claimed, referring to the (thoroughly absurd) liquid explosives plot of 2006.

“It was a vital component.” Reid claimed. “But now people have moved on from mobile phones to internet, email, text, Skype. We don’t have the means of doing what we did six years ago.” he said, adding that “That is where some of the measures the Government has refused to implement, like data communication, is absolutely essential for effective fighting of terrorism.”

Lord Carlile, a former independent reviewer of terror laws, also said the Woolwich attack should “give the Government pause for thought about their abandonment for example of the Communications Data Bill.”

“We mustn’t rush to judgment. But we must ensure that the police and the security services have for the future the tools they need which will enable them to prevent this kind of attack taking place.” he said on BBC’s Newsnight program.

It emerged today that MI5, which has long lobbied for the legalization of mass communication monitoring, were aware of the suspected attackers. Sources said reports the men had featured in “several investigations” in recent years – but were not deemed to be planning an attack – “were not inaccurate” BBC News reported.

It was also confirmed that one of the suspects was intercepted by police last year while leaving the country.
 

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ARE YOU PEOPLE FOR REAL

....

let`s see.....

bystanders casually watching; arms folded, nicely sectioned off.
no terror at all....just another day apparently.

brave brownie pack leader with hands in pockets talks calmly to crazed hatchet-wielding south-african-with-british-accent muslim moments after savage beheading. she then goes to talk to second crazed cleaver wielding jihadist

no blood around lamp-post.
later, there is blood around lamp post.

women are allowed to comfort the dead man, who was beheaded, then was not beheaded.
other shots show women standing around, one kneeling over butchered man - just as causal as can be.




“I was just on my way home after a trip to France. I was visiting my children in Plumstead and I had taken a 53 bus to get to Parliament Square where I was going to meet my children and walk to Victoria coach station before getting the coach to Helston in Cornwall.

“I was sitting on the lower deck and the bus stopped. I could clearly see a body in the road and a crashed car. I trained as a first aider when I was a Brownie leader, so I asked someone to watch my bag and then got off to see if I could help.

“I went over to the body where there was a lady sitting there and she said he was dead. She had comforted him by putting something under his back and a jacket over his head. I took his pulse and there was none. I couldn’t see the man’s face but I could see no evidence that suggested someone had tried to cut off his head. I could see nothing on him to suggest that he was a soldier.

“Then a black guy with a black hat and a revolver in one hand and a cleaver in the other came over. He was very excited and he told me not to get close to the body. I didn’t really feel anything. I was not scared because he was not drunk, he was not on drugs. He was normal. I could speak to him and he wanted to speak and that’s what we did.

“I spoke to him for more than five minutes. I asked him why he had done what he had done. He said he had killed the man because he [the victim] was a British soldier who killed Muslim women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was furious about the British army being over there.

“There was blood on the pavement by the car where the man on the ground had been hit by it.”At first there was no blood by the body but as I talked to the man it began to flow which worried me because blood needs a beating heart to flow. But I didn’t want to annoy the man by going back to the body.

Ingrid Loyau-KennettI asked him what he was going to do next because the police were going to arrive soon. He said it was a war and if the police were coming, he was going to kill them. I asked him if that was a reasonable thing to do but it was clear that he really wanted to do that. He talked about war but he did not talk about dying and then he left to speak to someone else.

“I went to speak to the other man who was quieter and more shy. I asked him if he wanted to give me what he was holding in his hand, which was a knife but I didn’t want to say that. He didn’t agree and I asked him: ‘Do you want to carry on?’ He said: ‘No, no, no.’ I didn’t want to upset him and then the other man came back to me. I asked him what he wanted to do next.

“At that point, there were so many people around that I didn’t want him to get scared or agitated. I kept talking to him to keep him occupied.

“Then I saw my bus was moving and I knew that the police would arrive very soon. I asked him if there was anything else I could do for him because my bus was about to leave and he said no.

“I got on the bus and, after 10 seconds, someone came on and told everyone to get down. I saw a police car pulling up and a police man and policewoman getting out. The two black men ran towards the car and the officers shot them in the legs, I think.

“When the shooting started, I was not scared. There was so many women screaming and crying on the bus, it took me a minute to calm them down. I didn’t have a moment to think of myself.

“I could see the man with the black hat on was badly hurt as he was being operated on but both were still moving.”The bus then started to move away. They dropped us in the middle of Lewisham which really annoyed me because I had no idea how to get from there to Parliament Square. “I am just happy that I managed to do something that might have prevented more trouble. I feel fine at the moment but I suppose the shock could hit me later.”
 
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ARE YOU PEOPLE FOR REAL

....

let`s see.....

bystanders casually watching; arms folded, nicely sectioned off.
no terror at all....just another day apparently.

brave brownie pack leader with hands in pockets talks calmly to crazed hatchet-wielding south-african-with-british-accent muslim moments after savage beheading. she then goes to talk to second crazed cleaver wielding jihadist

no blood around lamp-post.
later, there is blood around lamp post.

women are allowed to comfort the dead man, who was beheaded, then was not beheaded.
other shots show women standing around, one kneeling over butchered man - just as causal as can be.




“I was just on my way home after a trip to France. I was visiting my children in Plumstead and I had taken a 53 bus to get to Parliament Square where I was going to meet my children and walk to Victoria coach station before getting the coach to Helston in Cornwall.

“I was sitting on the lower deck and the bus stopped. I could clearly see a body in the road and a crashed car. I trained as a first aider when I was a Brownie leader, so I asked someone to watch my bag and then got off to see if I could help.

“I went over to the body where there was a lady sitting there and she said he was dead. She had comforted him by putting something under his back and a jacket over his head. I took his pulse and there was none. I couldn’t see the man’s face but I could see no evidence that suggested someone had tried to cut off his head. I could see nothing on him to suggest that he was a soldier.

“Then a black guy with a black hat and a revolver in one hand and a cleaver in the other came over. He was very excited and he told me not to get close to the body. I didn’t really feel anything. I was not scared because he was not drunk, he was not on drugs. He was normal. I could speak to him and he wanted to speak and that’s what we did.

“I spoke to him for more than five minutes. I asked him why he had done what he had done. He said he had killed the man because he [the victim] was a British soldier who killed Muslim women and children in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was furious about the British army being over there.

“There was blood on the pavement by the car where the man on the ground had been hit by it.”At first there was no blood by the body but as I talked to the man it began to flow which worried me because blood needs a beating heart to flow. But I didn’t want to annoy the man by going back to the body.

Ingrid Loyau-KennettI asked him what he was going to do next because the police were going to arrive soon. He said it was a war and if the police were coming, he was going to kill them. I asked him if that was a reasonable thing to do but it was clear that he really wanted to do that. He talked about war but he did not talk about dying and then he left to speak to someone else.

“I went to speak to the other man who was quieter and more shy. I asked him if he wanted to give me what he was holding in his hand, which was a knife but I didn’t want to say that. He didn’t agree and I asked him: ‘Do you want to carry on?’ He said: ‘No, no, no.’ I didn’t want to upset him and then the other man came back to me. I asked him what he wanted to do next.

“At that point, there were so many people around that I didn’t want him to get scared or agitated. I kept talking to him to keep him occupied.

“Then I saw my bus was moving and I knew that the police would arrive very soon. I asked him if there was anything else I could do for him because my bus was about to leave and he said no.

“I got on the bus and, after 10 seconds, someone came on and told everyone to get down. I saw a police car pulling up and a police man and policewoman getting out. The two black men ran towards the car and the officers shot them in the legs, I think.

“When the shooting started, I was not scared. There was so many women screaming and crying on the bus, it took me a minute to calm them down. I didn’t have a moment to think of myself.

“I could see the man with the black hat on was badly hurt as he was being operated on but both were still moving.”The bus then started to move away. They dropped us in the middle of Lewisham which really annoyed me because I had no idea how to get from there to Parliament Square. “I am just happy that I managed to do something that might have prevented more trouble. I feel fine at the moment but I suppose the shock could hit me later.”
So you're saying this is all an act put on for our benefit?
 

zone

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[video=youtube;GLhpU8UEZ9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GLhpU8UEZ9k[/video]

London Beheading - Islamic Terror Attack or A hoax for the cameras?


By Chris & Sheree Geo

Truth Frequency Radio

Two men allegedly beheaded a soldier in the streets of London today, in what is being described as a “brutal coordinated attack”. The perpetrators gave an interview after the fact, stuck around for about 20 or 30 minutes until police arrived, speaking to bystanders. Initial reports stated that they died in custody. The most recent reports say that they are alive in a hospital.

The world is all a stage. Call me jaded, cynical, skeptical or even out right crazy but this event has all of the same earmarks as the Sandy Hook, The Boston Marathon Bombing and so many recent events. The stage is a some-what well organized area, actors seem to be placed in strategic areas waiting for their cue and once again we see the remarkable absence of blood. The story as reported by Sky News and the BBC are also full of anti-Islamic propaganda, even going so far as to claim the “perpetrator” yelled“Allahu akbar,” just before beheading the man.

A man on a bus (on his way to a job interview) filmed the events and even managed to get an interview with the perpetrator. Despite a massive amount of searching we have been unable to find the raw footage of this event. The only video circulating is the same worn out ITV NEWS video claiming the man made the following statement:

““We swear by Almighty Allah, we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. The only reasons we killed this man is because Muslims are dying daily. This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. We apologize that woman had to see this today, but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your government. They don’t care about you.””

The man sounds like he has a natural South African accent posing as a man with a British accent. As we saw prior to the massacre of Gaddafi and the Libyan people, Israel, MI6 and the west often recruit African mercenaries to do their dirty work. It wouldn’t surprise me if this man is an African mercenary paid to play this role.

According to the mainstream accounts, the men got into a confrontation on the road which escalated into a “coordinated” beheading. Well, make up your mind! Was it well coordinated and premeditated or was it impulsive? In the video below you will see a woman with a shopping card (sic) passing through the set and right next to the attacker as he’s giving an interview after which the camera cuts away quickly. You would imagine that you would walk AWAY from a man wielding a butcher bloody butcher knife and a decapitated body but instead she walks RIGHT PAST the man!

The propaganda actors are out in full bloom too!

Another witness, who gave his name only as James, told London’s LBC 97.3 radio station that he saw two men standing by the victim on the floor.

At first he thought they were trying to help the man but then saw two meat cleavers, like a butcher would have.

“They were hacking at this poor guy, literally,” he told the radio station, as if they were trying to remove his organs.
“These two guys were crazed. They were just not there. They were just animals.

So we are supposed to believe these two men gruesomely beheaded a random stranger in broad daylight and everyone around is calm as can be? And the only blood anywhere to be seen is in the victims hands and on the knife? There is no blood on the victims clothes, no blood on the street, nothing at all, despite the fact that these were supposedly very crude cuts and “gruesome hacking’. And who walks around with meat cleaver? And who in their right mind wants to be seen on as many cameras as possible after committing a horrific murder?

He said after the “horrendous” attack, the two men, who were also in their 20s, stood around, waving knives and a gun, and asked people to take pictures of them “as if they wanted to be on TV or something”.

“They were oblivious to anything, they were more worried about having their photo taken, running up and down the road,” he said.

Although we’re no blood splatter analysts, something doesn’t look right with the amount of blood present on the scene. In the photos released by the media several hours afterward, there is a large amount of brownish-looking blood smeared on the pavement, whereas in the picture above, that same blood is missing. Also, in one photo, the back end of the vehicle is intact ; In the next, it is smashed in. These are all indicators of two different crime scenes, not one.













EXCLUSIVE: London Beheading Hoax Confirmed? : Truth Frequency Talk Radio Network ' click



blah blah blah terror allah akbar blah blah terror terror blah blah british hero beheaded blah blah terror blah blah survelliance laws blah blah
 

zone

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i cant say which disgusts me more....the nuts in shadow govt who pull this stuff...or the people who KEEP BELIEVING IT.

ITS A FILM SET.

HELLO HELLO

I WORKED IN FILM - IT....IS...A...FILM SET.

watch the guy check for his marker on the sidewalk before stepping down.

look at the CHEAP acting.

NO REAL TRAUMATIZED behaviors from ANYONE.

.....is this hard for you to believe - that this is how THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE IT.

are we this far gone....

why do you think the LIVE TV crew who just happened to be there had to SPLICE out the woman with the shopping cart - COME ON

it has to be edited because she wasnt supposed to be in the shot.
in fact, she walked all the way around the GUY.


meh.........whatever

time for Natulius to come out and talk about tin foil, and conspiracy loons.

go for it Naut...show us all how it works.
 
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The attack was no doubt influenced by the wars in the middle east, and some muslim groups, certainly not all did condenm the attacks.

Of course this attack is not justified and by all means is a despicable and evil act.
 

zone

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The attack was no doubt influenced by the wars in the middle east, and some muslim groups, certainly not all did condenm the attacks.

Of course this attack is not justified and by all means is a despicable and evil act.
grey youre just always right there, with the right stuff, eh.



well GREY - you know a lot more more than Colonel Richard Kemp (Cobra) who says in his creepy home video:

we should not BELIEVE THEIR PROPAGANDA THAT THESE ATTACKS ARE IN RETALIATION FOR WHATS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST...OH NO!

THESE ATTACKS ARE MOTIVATED BY HATRED FOR WESTERN DEMOCRATIC LIBERALISM.

(kinda like Bushs 9-11 THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS SPEECH)

just listen to the set-up...this FAKE attack is just going to be impossible to deal with, unless everyone can be surveilled at every turn.

just not enough resources put into big brother.

look at this idiot reading his script...guess who wrote it for him


[video=youtube;xuol8E4831E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=xuol8E4831E&feature=endscreen[/video]

Published on May 23, 2013

Colonel Richard Kemp, who was chairman of the Cobra Intelligence Group at the time of the 2005 London bombings, says it is likely that one or more attackers "had come to the attention of the security forces" prior to the Woolwich attack.

A soldier was hacked to death in a south London street on Wednesday by two men shouting Islamic slogans. A dramatic clip filmed by an onlooker just minutes after the killing showed a man with hands covered in blood, brandishing a bloodied meat cleaver and a knife.

Prime Minister David Cameron said the murder appeared to be a terrorist attack.
The incident was the first apparent Islamist killing in London since suicide bombers struck public transport in July 2005.

Colonel Kemp, who was chairman of the Cobra Intelligence Group at the time, said: "We often see cases where someone attempts or carries out a serious terrorist attack, that they have before come to the attention of the security forces in a periphery way in relation to other plots or to extremism elsewhere.

He said it was often not possible to follow these people up because of a lack of resources. "I would not be at all surprised if one of these attackers has come to the attention of the police or security services in the past," he told The Telegraph.

Colonel Kemp, who served as Commander of British Forces in Afghanistan in 2003, also warned of the likelihood of an increase of acts off terrorism in the UK, as troops pull out of the country in 2014.

"Many British people travelled to Afghanistan to fight for Jihad there and our solders have killed a number of British citizens on the battlefield. And it's quite possible that some of them may turn to attack back home."
 
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zone

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Col Richard Kemp's speech to 'We Believe in Israel' Conference - London, 15 May

By Jonathan Hoffman
May 23, 2011


Lieutenant Paul Mervis was a platoon commander in the British Army’s 2nd Battalion The Rifles. His company serjeant major said of him: “In my twenty years in the Army, I have never met, nor am I likely to meet, a man who cared so much about his men. He fought the corner of every single one of them.”

Paul had a razor sharp intellect and devoured military books in his desire to gain ever greater knowledge of his chosen profession. According to his platoon serjeant: “He had our utmost respect as a platoon commander, but perhaps more so as a genuine friend.”

He had an infectious sense of humour, and was always messing about and joking like one of the lads – one of his soldiers said you could hear his laugh anywhere in the base in Afghanistan – usually at someone else’s expense!

He had time for everyone, and would go out of his way to help anyone he could. He made an enormous effort to get to know as many as possible of the 600 troops in his battalion. His men were always at the forefront of his mind, and although he was their commander, every man felt he could approach him and talk about absolutely everything. Although still a young man, Paul was like a father-figure to his soldiers.

On patrol near Sangin, central Helmand, on the morning of the 12th of June last year both of Paul’s legs were blown off by a Taliban bomb hidden in the roof of a school. His men worked desperately – desperately – to save his life, but he died soon afterwards.

With enormous personal courage, he had been leading his men from the front through an area known to be laced with explosives, putting himself in danger to protect the lives of his men, risking everything to safeguard the local people, including women and children, who had been so horrifically assaulted by the Taliban.

After his death, one of the soldiers under his command, Lance Corporal Joe Ellis, said: “The Merv-dog left us this morning, surrounded by his men. He will always be part of 10 Platoon – tough riflemen who were proud to be led by him.”
Lieutenant Paul Mervis was a Jewish soldier.

He grew up in London, and was educated at King’s College School Wimbledon. He spent a gap year in Israel, studying Hebrew. During his service in Afghanistan, His sister Hannah and brother Jack sent him a provisions parcel with matzah and dried chicken soup so that he could mark the Passover festival while on duty. Paul carried a 1936 issue Soldier’s Siddur which had previously belonged to Sergeant Dave Newman, a Jewish soldier who fought in the Battle of El Alamein in World War II.
It would have been equally possible for Paul to have opted to join the Israeli Defence Forces to realise his soldierly ambitions, as do so many young British Jewish men and women. In fact he did undergo training with the IDF during his gap year before joining the British Army.

But had he joined the IDF, instead of developing into a brave, dedicated military leader concerned for the welfare of his men and taking every conceivable step to protect the civilian population, would Paul Mervis have become a callous, brutal thug, haphazardly dropping white phosphorous into the houses of innocent civilians? Would Paul Mervis have deliberately and without qualms killed women and children? Would Paul Mervis have blown up schools, raked ambulances with machinegun fire?

No. No. No. Because that image of the Israeli Defence Forces is horribly false.

This malevolent portrayal of the Israeli Defence Forces is carefully and systematically planned, cultivated, developed, expanded and relentlessly driven forward. It is the key part of what amounts to nothing less than a pernicious and increasingly dangerous global conspiracy of propaganda aimed at the total delegitimization of the state of Israel. A conspiracy that has so far exceeded in its international scope, anything dreamt of even by that master of propaganda, Dr Josef Goebbels himself, spreading the idea that Israel is so evil that it has no right even to exist, aiming for the point where that idea becomes an acceptable, mainstream argument in our societies.

It is no surprise of course that such a campaign has great popularity in the Arab and the wider Islamic world any more than Goebbels’s twisted propaganda machine succeeded in persuading so many Germans to his murderous cause. But what is truly shocking is the traction that this propaganda has gained in the west among student bodies, teachers, university authorities, academics, think tanks, human rights organizations, aid agencies, parliamentary bodies, and – perhaps most damaging of all, the mass media.

What is the evidence for this?

A favourite vehicle for the anti-Israel conspiracy is the United Nations Human Rights Council. While continuing to neglect the woefully abused rights of 350 million citizens of the Middle East, not to mention the rights of many more people the world over, the Council focuses its attention almost exclusively on Israel. The Report of the UN Fact Finding Mission into the 2009 Gaza Conflict, better known as the Goldstone Report, accused Israeli forces of war crimes and possible crimes against humanity, deliberately killing, wounding and terrorising innocent civilians.

That report was endorsed on two occasions by the General Assembly of the United Nations. But only last month, Judge Richard Goldstone retracted the most serious allegations that he had made, saying that Israel did not in fact intentionally kill or wound innocent civilians. He wrote that if he had known at the time of his investigation what he knows now, the Goldstone Report would have been a very different document. Well, I, with my far more limited resources and access, could have told him a great deal of what is now apparently new to him.

In fact, I did tell him at the time of his report, in evidence I gave to the United Nations Human Rights Council in October 2009:

“During its operation in Gaza, the Israeli Defence Forces did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.”

I based my opinion on 30 years of experience fighting terrorists and insurgents, of my detailed study of Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, of my extensive knowledge and understanding of the Israeli Defence Forces, and of my knowledge of Hamas and its military strategy and tactics. The same strategies and tactics used by insurgents and violent jihadists in Iraq, Afghanistan and many other parts of the world.

Many people have contradicted my assertion about the IDF. But no one has been able to tell me which other army in history has ever done more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone. In fact my assertions about the steps taken in that conflict by the Israeli Defence Forces to avoid civilian deaths are inadvertently borne out by a study published by the United Nations itself. A study that shows that the ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in Gaza was by far the lowest in any asymetric conflict in the history of warfare.

The UN estimate that there has been an average three-to-one ratio of civilian to combatant deaths in such conflicts worldwide. Three civilians for every combatant killed. That is the estimated ratio in Afghanistan: three-to-one. In Iraq, and in Kosovo, it was worse: the ratio is believed to be four-to-one. Anecdotal evidence suggests the ratios were very much higher in Chechnya and Serbia.

In Gaza, it was less than one-to-one.

This extremely low rate of civilian casualties flatly contradicts many of Goldstone’s original allegations, and the bleating insistence of various other human rights groups about Israel’s alleged crimes against humanity.

As with Operation Cast Lead, the tragedy of the Gaza flotilla incident almost exactly one year ago has been widely exploited as part of the conspiracy against Israel. The anti-Israeli activists on board the ship Mavi Marmara set out deliberately to provoke the Israeli boarding party into an attack that would cause bloodshed to be exploited in the world’s media. Which of course is exactly what happened.

The Turkish humanitarian group IHH were prominent among the organizers of the Flotilla, and had purchased the Mavi Marmara for that purpose. As well as being a genuine humanitarian aid group, the IHH is a radical Islamic organization: vehemently anti-Israeli and anti-American, with extensive connections to international jihadist groups including Al Qaida.
According to a French investigative magistrate specialising in terrorism, the IHH played an important role in an Al Qaida plan to carry out a mass-casualty attack at the Los Angeles International Airport on the eve of the millennium. So – not an entirely innocent humanitarian organization attacked without justification by vicious Israeli thugs, as presented in the world media, by governments and by the UN.

The Israeli handling of the Flotilla Incident was far from a model military operation. Indeed Israel’s Turkel Commission criticised a lack of preparedness by the commandos who boarded the Mavi Marmara. But I have seen nothing to suggest that their actions amounted to a breach of international law. Many have stridently proclaimed that the Gaza blockade itself is illegal. But does the government of Israel not have the right – indeed the duty – to protect its citizens against the re-arming of Hamas and other jihadist groups in Gaza, which continue to attack the civilian population of Israel with rockets, and undoubtedly desire to expand their conflict in line with the proclaimed objective of destroying Israel as an entity?

The Royal Navy, the Irish Navy and the French Navy often boarded ships heading towards Ireland in the ’80s and searched them for munitions at a time when Gadaffi’s Libya was arming the IRA with weapons, missiles and explosives that killed hundreds of British soldiers and civilians. But unlike Israel’s blockade – which has an identical purpose – these boardings were never criticised or characterised illegal and still are not.

And I’ll bet that no-one will accuse NATO of acting unlawfully in its naval blockade of Libya which was put into place a few weeks ago. Again, an operation with an identical purpose to the Gaza maritime blockade – a blockade in which, with supreme irony Turkey – arch condemners of the Gaza blockade – is playing a role.

But why would they be criticised? These were not Israeli operations. To Israel, a completely different standard is unfairly and unrealistically applied by so many, even in the Western world, as a result of the international conspiracy of deligitimisation against Israel.

On her 63rd birthday I do not see an apocalyptic future for the State of Israel. Allah will not bring a new holocaust to the Jewish people at the hands of Islamic believers, according to the evil prophecy of Sheikh Youssef Qaradawi, spiritual guide to the Muslim Brotherhood, who are no doubt on the eve of gaining significant power in Egypt. Israel will not be “wiped off the map”. Her people will not be “driven into the sea” in accordance with the perverted vision of Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad who disposes so many of his nation’s offensive resources with such brutality against the Israeli people.

But a central aim in the conspiracy of delegitimization against Israel is to give validity and justification to attacks on Israel by groups such as Iran’s proxies Hamas and Hizballah, allowing them to strike at Israel with impunity, and encouraging the view that any retaliatory or defensive measures by Israel are by definition disproportionate and should be criminalised. The more traction this objective is allowed to gain, the greater the instability between Israel and her neighbours; the less chance of any lasting peace; the more that blood will be shed on all sides in the region.

The most powerful weapons in this conspiracy are legal, diplomatic and media. Fundamentally we are talking about a war of words. Words that are given unprecedented potency by the internet, by the globalisation of the 21st Century. Words have consequences. Look at the Goldstone Report. I have no doubt that people have died because of the hatred stirred up as a result of the endorsement of false accusations by the Goldstone Report. People who need not have died. What is said and who says it is of course very important.

There is nothing the anti-Israeli conspirators find more appetising than the support for their agenda of Jewish voices. That is why they so relished Judge Goldstone’s specious role. It is the same basis on which the Nazis prized the British Lord Haw-Haw above any of their own broadcasters. And the late, unlamented Usama bin Laden seized so hungrily upon the supportive words of Noam Chomsky.

If this is a war of words, we must also use words to counter attack. I am not suggesting that anybody should give unqualified support for Israel, or that we should not dissent on any specifics of policy or approach – even in the widest sense. I am critical of many of Israel’s actions, as indeed I am critical of many of the actions of our own democratic government here in the UK and of many of our institutions. I recognise too that the IDF is far from perfect. They make mistakes. As do the British Army. Apart from anything else the friction of war ensures it. They certainly killed people in Gaza who should not have died. As did the British Army in Northern Ireland, in Iraq and in Afghanistan. They have bad soldiers, who either through stupidity or malicious intent, disobey orders. As does the British Army. I know as well as anybody about that!

But the conspiracy that I have been discussing does not concern itself with such details as this, or with any individual policy of Israel. It seeks to undermine the right of Israel to exist as an entity. And it is this that we must stand up against, as we would stand up vigorously against any movement that seriously sought to undermine the existence of our own state. In this war of words, all that is necessary for this evil conspiracy of delegitimisation to triumph is for good men to say nothing.
I would like to conclude by adding to the theme of this conference. As a friend of Israel, of course I “believe in Israel”. As a life-long soldier I believe also in the brave, dedicated, and democratically-accountable soldiers of the Israeli Defence Forces, who sacrifice so much for the defence of Israel and for our Western democratic values.


Col Richard Kemp's speech to 'We Believe in Israel' Conference - London, 15 May | The Jewish Chronicle - click



The most powerful weapons in this conspiracy are legal, diplomatic and media. Fundamentally we are talking about a war of words. Words that are given unprecedented potency by the internet, by the globalisation of the 21st Century. Words have consequences. Look at the Goldstone Report. I have no doubt that people have died because of the hatred stirred up as a result of the endorsement of false accusations by the Goldstone Report. People who need not have died. What is said and who says it is of course very important.



you figure this out.
what are they all saying...any clue at all.
 
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I guess if the attackers were speaking in tongues, the Prime Minister would have declared it to be a charismatic right wing attack, right? :rolleyes:
 

zone

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I guess if the attackers were speaking in tongues, the Prime Minister would have declared it to be a charismatic right wing attack, right? :rolleyes:
good luck to all of you.

you not only scoff at your own heresy stephen, you make light of everything else you have no clue about.

im going to take some time off.
im going to decide what is worth bothering with at this point.

i may or may not come back and do a complete, and thorough expose of the pentecostal movement, as well as all this other stuff.
of course, for the thoroughly deluded, itll just look like this:


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good luck to all of you.

you not only scoff at your own heresy stephen, you make light of everything else you have no clue about.

im going to take some time off.
im going to decide what is worth bothering with at this point.

i may or may not come back and do a complete, and thorough expose of the pentecostal movement, as well as all this other stuff.
of course, for the thoroughly deluded, itll just look like this:


nskdjhfkcnfeicfskfcskncnsdkjxnmzjhdskieuuewagwcbdsbcasdhkadsckurfkid hbszdk
I may or may not do an exposé on the LCMS, in how they may or may not be cessationists, or maybe whether or not they believe in the charismatic movement.
 
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@ zone

the attacks are verry real i just saw the family being ineterview live the family of the dead soilder.
they where very upset and i dont think he was be headed .

i know its verry hard to bellieve that these people just acted like it was another just another day. i thought the same as you like how bizzar.

i have seen the rumors on youtube too saying its a hoax and you kinda think it could be with how bizzar thy acted afterwards but after seeing the family today i feal quite sad.

my thoughts and prayers are with the soilders loved ones now and i pray that the lord will bring them peace where he can
 
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Somebody did die. I think the hoax part is who killed him. Anybody that can speak the language could've done it.
 

Agricola

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North Americans can not keep thier fingers out of anything without testing it as a conspiracy. Anyone who thinks this is any kind of conspiracy or hoax is a total fruitcake and needs a spell inside a mental health institution to get better.
 
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hey come on lets not turn this in to a war from the bizzarness of the way the two killers acted it can quite easily make some one think its not real.

we all sometimes think without speaking and we all sometimes should take a bit longer befor we speak.
and so on that note are thougts should be with the family and we should pray for peace.

be patient and wait for the lord to act the lord wil make you shine like the noonday sun
 

JimJimmers

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North Americans can not keep thier fingers out of anything without testing it as a conspiracy.
How would you like it if I said all Britons are pasty and ill-educated?
 
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How would you like it if I said all Britons are pasty and ill-educated?
I'm afraid what Agricola said is true. I'm a North American so I can say that. It's these conspiracy theorists that are really starting to scare me, not their conspiracy theories. That kind of delusional psychosis can become very dangerous.
 
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hey come on lets not turn this in to a war from the bizzarness of the way the two killers acted it can quite easily make some one think its not real.

we all sometimes think without speaking and we all sometimes should take a bit longer befor we speak.
and so on that note are thougts should be with the family and we should pray for peace.

be patient and wait for the lord to act the lord wil make you shine like the noonday sun
Unfortunately Quickfire, the people who are claiming these things actually believe what they're saying. This isn't a matter of speaking without thinking; this is a matter of psychotic thinking. Waiting on the Lord has nothing to do with it. If it did, people wouldn't be thinking this way.