Obama's Twitter Calls Crushing Of 20-week Unborn Babies Heads "Special"

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The Texas legislature was close to passing a law that would ban the crushing of the head, and dismembering of the body of a 20-week or older unborn baby. Otherwise known as abortion.

But Texas state senator Wendy Davis filibustered it for a day, leading to no passage of the bill. Texas legislature rules worked for her cause.

Link --> Clock runs out on Texas abortion bill after marathon filibuster - latimes.com

In reply, Obama's official Twitter feed said something "special" is happening in Austin tonight.
Link --> https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/349703625616011264

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Truly disgusting.
 
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Ooops I had 20 month instead of 20 weeks.
Error fixed.
 
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crushing the heads of 20 month unborn babies...

but then the other side is why are old white men deciding a woman's right to her body based on religious texts? Im not against christianity but it disgusts when people try to force people who dont even believe it to live by it.
 
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Nautilus said:
crushing the heads of 20 month unborn babies...

but then the other side is why are old white men deciding a woman's right to her body based on religious texts? Im not against christianity but it disgusts when people try to force people who dont even believe it to live by it.
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I'll ask again.

At which point does something with human DNA, a human brain, a human heartbeat controlled by that human brain, have a right not to have their head crushed and body dismembered?
 
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Why are pregnant women deciding whether or not that child has the right to live? It's not only a biblical matter, but a moral matter as well. Anyone who thinks that it's fair for that baby to die because the mother doesn't want it, religious or not religious, has a screw loose.

Edit: my response of course coming from the person said "why are old white men deciding", what gives a woman the right to decide to kill a child.
 
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Nautilus, you have human DNA, a human head, a human brain, a human brain that controls a human beating heart.
At which point did you have the right not to have your head crushed and body dismembered?
 
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Why don't pro-choicers ever answer this question?

At which point does something with human DNA, a human brain, a human heartbeat controlled by that human brain, have a right not to have their head crushed and body dismembered?​
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I'll ask again.

At which point does something with human DNA, a human brain, a human heartbeat controlled by that human brain, have a right not to have their head crushed and body dismembered?
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Ill say once again the earliest ill go is the point of viability, The potential of the fetus to survive outside the uterus after birth, natural or induced. Fetal viability depends largely on the fetal organ maturity, and environmental conditions. This would be inbetween 24-27 weeks, and is recognized by Roe V Wade as 28 weeks.

I've never been a big subscriber of the life at conception argument, and I'm sure someone will quote Bible verses at me about how God formed us and such,, that may be but not a single one of those is convincing enough for life at conception for me.
 
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Ill say once again the earliest ill go is the point of viability..aka when it can survive outside the womb.
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Why do you draw he line at dependency?
There are alotta dependent people who can't survive on their own without the help of others.
 
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Look, I'm going to be blunt. If you're a christian how can you be pro-abortion, it's contrary to the word of God. God doesn't care if you're politically correct, so why should you care about being politically correct?
 
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Ill say once again the earliest ill go is the point of viability..aka when it can survive outside the womb.
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So you wouldn't have had the right not to have your head crushed and body dismembered until you could exist your own?
 
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So you wouldn't have had the right not to have your head crushed and body dismembered until you could exist your own?
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Nope I wouldnt have. And if I had been aborted? well i probably wouldnt have cared much.
 
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So Nautilus, are you a pro-abortion Christian? I don't think that can exist.
 
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Look, I'm going to be blunt. If you're a christian how can you be pro-abortion, it's contrary to the word of God. God doesn't care if you're politically correct, so why should you care about being politically correct?
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See there is a difference here people fail to grasp. I may agree with abortion or I may be against it. The fact is Christianity is NOT a world police force. Its not our job to force people to live by our standards. Nowhere are we commanded to go forth and subjugate the nonbelievers and force them to live by God's rules. Thats why there will be a judgment at some point in the future. For God to decide how everyone did. My main complaint about christianityy is the desire to force nonbelievers into our world view. Its not why we are here.
 
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Nautilus said:
See there is a difference here people fail to grasp. I may agree with abortion or I may be against it. The fact is Christianity is NOT a world police force. Its not our job to force people to live by our standards. Nowhere are we commanded to go forth and subjugate the nonbelievers and force them to live by God's rules. Thats why there will be a judgment at some point in the future. For God to decide how everyone did. My main complaint about christianityy is the desire to force nonbelievers into our world view. Its not why we are here.
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Yes I know we are to be a light unto the world, but you can't possibly accept abortion if you're a Christian. I don't know about you, but even if I weren't religious I wouldn't believe in abortion. It's not only a biblical issue but a moral issue. We're obligated to protect those who can't protect themselves. That child can't protect itself.
 
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I don't get the deal with something having to be able to survive on your own with no help what so ever... It's still alive is it not? You kill it, it's still dead. It's not supposed to survive outside the womb at that stage. That's like taking a fish out of water and saying cause it can't live on earth by itself with no help, it deserves to die. Of course if you take something out of where it can't survive, it will die... how is that a test of whether or not it actually deserves to?

Pro abortion people talk about a fetus like it's a parasite for the mother. I think that's so sad. And honestly I'm quite shocked so many people would get behind the pro choice banner.

Oh, and this has nothing to do with the bible... It is a completely moral issue on it's own. Non Christians are against murder... the bibles law has nothing to do with it.
 
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Again I technically dont believe life begins until birth...so if life doesnt begin till then what are you killing? Life certainly doesnt begin at conception in my mind, and I admit birth maybe a bit extreme to the other side as well. Which is why I settle with my happy medium of fetal viability.

You also don't need to worry about whether or not im a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-separation of church and state, pro gun-law, anti-death penalty, etc, etc, etc christian. Thats only between God and I.
 
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Maybe I should have used this more shocking tabloid headline on my thread about this.
 
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Nautilus said:
See there is a difference here people fail to grasp. I may agree with abortion or I may be against it. The fact is Christianity is NOT a world police force. Its not our job to force people to live by our standards. Nowhere are we commanded to go forth and subjugate the nonbelievers and force them to live by God's rules. Thats why there will be a judgment at some point in the future. For God to decide how everyone did. My main complaint about christianityy is the desire to force nonbelievers into our world view. Its not why we are here.
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You don't have to be a Christian to believe someone with human dna, human head, human heart, human heartbeat, should have the right not to have their head crushed and body dismembered.
 
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