1,000 paedophiles caught with obscene material spared jail

[zone]

Two in three child porn perverts spared jail: Outrage as 1,000 paedophiles caught with obscene material are given community or suspended sentences

Campaigners want tougher sentences to reflect damage to children
Growing concerns over the spread and impact of sickening material
Has been linked to two high-profile child murders in recent weeks

By JACK DOYLE
PUBLISHED: 23:29 GMT, 17 June 2013 | UPDATED: 23:29 GMT, 17 June 2013

Two thirds of perverts caught downloading sickening child pornography escape a jail sentence, figures revealed last night.

In a new soft-justice outrage, 1,000 paedophiles caught in possession of obscene abuse videos and pictures were handed community sentences or suspended jail terms last year.

Two in three child porn perverts spared jail: Outrage as 1,000 are given community or suspended sentences | Mail Online

 

[loveme1]

Zone, did you see this? :

BBC News - Indecent images teacher Geoffrey Bettley cleared to work again

 

[woka]

Let me tell you about a super child. She was molested by a very close family friend. After telling her mom, her mom sat with her and asked her what it was that she wanted to do? This super girl told her mom that she wanted to get the family friend help. He must of behaved this way towards her because he too was broken? Is this not the most amazing thing?

The mom asked the child who was 13 at the time what she wanted to do, because the mom wanted to give the girl all the control back to deside what she wanted to do, so she could be in control of all of it. This way she no longer had to be the victim.

We as adults can sit and say we would do this and we would do that, cut it off, but truly the problem is not with the instrument that is used but the mind set of the individual. What has this person had to endure as a child that has led him or her to behave this way as an adult towards children.

We cannot understand that mind set because we have never had it, it is the same as someone who committs suicide, we all sit back and say how could they? Did they not know that we/I loved them, I can't understand it. Of course we can't because we have never had it.

The worst thing that this little girl could of done for this family friend, was to sit opposite him with her mom and her dad and tell him that she loves him. That she loves him so much that there is a deep hole in her heart that he caused. That she will never be the same because he changed her with his actions. She told him that the Lord Jesus loves him, that he died for him on a cross 2000 years ago, because he is that important. Can you imagine how this family reacted. He sat there and cried and cried and cried.

He was 25 years old at the time and his father was called in to bear witness to hit acts, the "punishment" that this little girl decided on was that he had to go see a phycologist, this was very difficult for him to do, but he did it. In the end he has found the Lord Jesus, the mom and dad of the little girl, spoke to the phycologist to get feedback to make sure the little girl's case was discussed with the phycologist.

I am not suggesting that this is the answer to a 4 year old who has been raped by a 50 year old, old man. I wanted to just share part of MY family's experience in order to give us all a different perspective on things.

I AM SO VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT THE LITTLE GIRL IN THIS STORY IS MY LITTLE GIRL. SHE IS SUCH AN INSPIRATION TO ME AND MAKES MY HEART CRY OUT LORD OH LORD THANK YOU FOR ENTRUSTING ME ENOUGH TO LOOK AFTER THIS SPECIAL CHILD FOR YOU.

My King, My Saviour, Without you there is nothing.

 

[zone]

Zone, did you see this? :

BBC News - Indecent images teacher Geoffrey Bettley cleared to work again

"Mr Bettley was employed as an RE teacher at St Mary's Catholic School in Menston, from September 2001 to December 2011.

He visited a website in March 2009 where he viewed six child abuse images, according to the panel's ruling.

Shipley MP Philip Davies has called on the education secretary to explain why he ratified the decision to reinstate Mr Bettley.

Speaking in the House of Commons, he said: "I'm sure you will appreciate many parents will be deeply disturbed someone who has been convicted of downloading child porn should be allowed to teach again.

"Can we have a statement from the Education Secretary so he can explain what on earth he was thinking about when he allowed this person to teach again?""



.........

Gilad talked a little about Education Secretary Michael Gove's thinking last year.

Gilad Atzmon - Writings - The United Jewish Kingdom


loveme,
this is an actual, literal ongoing, not new, planned and effective demoralization (destruction of our morals) strategy.
it was laid out clearly ages ago.
we are in a war.
we have been for a long time, we just haven't noticed.
notice the guy was teaching Catholic kids?
a-a-a-anyways.

 

[loveme1]

Forgiveness starts when one admits what they are doing is wrong.

softening the crime certainly sends out the wrong signal to others.....

 

[zone]

Forgiveness starts when one admits what they are doing is wrong.

softening the crime certainly sends out the wrong signal to others.....

and creates the next generation of abusers.
this is established fact.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy - John 10:10a

 

[Agricola]

Oh boy not more Daily Mail outrage,

Each case on thier merits Please. As a society we have become paranoid that anyone even looking at a child is a paedophile, I was even called a paedophile for sitting in park watching my daughter play. We have this knee jerk reaction from sensationalist headlines that anyone in possession of an image of a child is a paedophile. Someone who has just had a momentary lapse of concentration and weakness of will power or curiosity and does something stupid should not be punished to the same degree as a genuine predatory paedophile.

From the article

after police found nearly 200 child abuse images on his computer.

Then it goes on to say that 143 of these so called "child abuse " pictures were level 1 and 43 at level 3

When his [Mr Bettley] computer was seized by police in December 2010, 143 images were found to be at level one of the Copine scale, the least severe on a scale where 10 is described as the most serious.

A further 46 images considered to be at level three


Level One on the Copine Scale :Non-erotic and non-sexualised pictures showing children in their underwear, swimming costumes from either commercial sources or family albums. Pictures of children playing in normal settings, in which the context or organisation of pictures by the collector indicates inappropriateness.

Level Three : Surreptitiously taken photographs of children in play areas or other safe environments showing either underwear or varying degrees of nakedness

This is a level 1 image which anyone of us will have. taken from Port Canaveral website


Nearly all of you will now have this image on your computer in your temporary cache, do you think its scary that if your computer was seized and examined, the UK law can now prosecute you as a paedophile for having these images as these are being declared as "child abuse pictures" This is the real story, that simply having a page loading with images deemed inappropriate can give you a conviction and ruin your life?

Locking people up and throwing away the key is not the answer to deal with people who have only had a moment or two of weakness or lack of judgement, or just have a borderline curiosity.

Weather people should be allowed back into positions of authority with duty of care over children , thats debatable and personally I think they should not.

 

[Agricola]

and creates the next generation of abusers.
this is established fact.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy - John 10:10a

So you would suggest we doing something like this then.

[video=youtube;xBFqe_3M2Z8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBFqe_3M2Z8[/video]

 

[Agricola]

Actually the law does work, here is one person who was given life sentence, a genuine paedophile and a danger to public.

Paedophile jailed for life after raping a 14-year-old girl at a house party - Daily Record

 

[zone]

Locking people up and throwing away the key is not the answer to deal with people who have only had a moment or two of weakness or lack of judgement, or just have a borderline curiosity.

Weather people should be allowed back into positions of authority with duty of care over children , thats debatable and personally I think they should not.

uh...if you say so.
who has weakness, or lack of judgement, or a borderline curiosity about sex with children but pedophiles?

child porn freaks allowed back into positions of authority with duty of care over children is debatable?
only if you're trying to redefine what is, is.

...

Abstract

In our continuing examination of sex offender case histories in federal corrections, a follow-up sample was assembled of 570 sex offenders, 329 who were on ‘caseload’ (already under community supervision) and 241 who were ‘new releases’ and subsequently followed-up. The average time served in federal custody until release for ‘caseload’ and ‘new releases’ (3.2 and 3.6 years, respectively) did not significantly differ. During the post-release follow-up period (average 3.5 years), about one-third of the sex offenders were convicted of a new criminal offence, nearly one-fifth for a violent crime and less than one in ten for a new sexual offence. It was also found that among newly released sex offenders, rapists had the highest rates of general, violent and sexual recidivism relative to any other group. In contrast, incest offenders demonstrated the lowest rates of general, violent and sexual recidivism relative to pedophiles or rapists, regardless of whether they belonged to caseload or newly released samples. It is notable that the pedophile group on caseload had the highest rate of sexual recidivism relative to incest offenders or rapists.

Correctional Service of Canada CSC Research Reports

 

[zone]

So you would suggest we doing something like this then.

[video=youtube;xBFqe_3M2Z8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBFqe_3M2Z8[/video]

you find it funny?
huh.

 

[Agricola]

HOw are you defining child porn though? Daily Mail article is not the best source to find out what these people have been looking. Even the BBC reported that Mr Bettley was found with 200 "child abuse" pictures, when nearly all of them turn out to be no different from the image I posted.

What ages where the "children" under 16 is classed as child. Looking at a 14 year old who has the body of an adult is different to a 6 year old, but both are deemed an offensive worthy of being executed.

It would be extremly useful if we had a proper summary using the Copine scale and numbers involved, then we would be more informed as to seeing if justice was being served.

Should someone who has just had the weakness to look at a few level 3 or less images, which will basically be pictures of kids flashing underwear while playing in park or getting undressed on beach, be treated the same as someone who is looking at level 9 and 10 and those who abuse and record kids themselves? No.

If you look beyond the Daily Mail outrage, you probably find its not as bad as its being made out to be. Anyway, most of the poeple "being let off" are not actually being left off, they still have criminal records and their lives will not be easy living with that criminal conviction, especially as an ever increasing number of jobs require to be CRB checked.

 

[Agricola]

you find it funny?
huh.

Its good satire. It was appropriate 13 years ago in a wave of anti-Paedophile riots when everyone who "looks like a paedo" is a Paedo. Unfortunately we still have this mentality as the posts in this thread demonstrate, so yes its very much appropriate satire for today as it was back then.

it also highlights your comments that abusers abuse, so we just might as well do away with them before they turn out that way. that was also an issue 13 year ago.

 

[zone]

Its good satire. It was appropriate 13 years ago in a wave of anti-Paedophile riots when everyone who "looks like a paedo" is a Paedo. Unfortunately we still have this mentality as the posts in this thread demonstrate, so yes its very much appropriate satire for today as it was back then.

it also highlights your comments that abusers abuse, so we just might as well do away with them before they turn out that way. that was also an issue 13 year ago.

find me saying that or retract it.

 

[zone]

HOw are you defining child porn though? Daily Mail article is not the best source to find out what these people have been looking. Even the BBC reported that Mr Bettley was found with 200 "child abuse" pictures, when nearly all of them turn out to be no different from the image I posted.

What ages where the "children" under 16 is classed as child. Looking at a 14 year old who has the body of an adult is different to a 6 year old, but both are deemed an offensive worthy of being executed.

It would be extremly useful if we had a proper summary using the Copine scale and numbers involved, then we would be more informed as to seeing if justice was being served.

Should someone who has just had the weakness to look at a few level 3 or less images, which will basically be pictures of kids flashing underwear while playing in park or getting undressed on beach, be treated the same as someone who is looking at level 9 and 10 and those who abuse and record kids themselves? No.

If you look beyond the Daily Mail outrage, you probably find its not as bad as its being made out to be. Anyway, most of the poeple "being let off" are not actually being left off, they still have criminal records and their lives will not be easy living with that criminal conviction, especially as an ever increasing number of jobs require to be CRB checked.

you seem to know more about this stuff than i do.
if you think i'm going to debate the fine details of some scale of criminality and weirdo desires, and decide well, bathing suit pervs aren't as bad as.....forget it.

.....

The images were of under age children and were child abuse images, the panel found. Mr Bettley was placed on the Sex Offenders Register for two years and placed on the Children's Barred List and the Adults Barred List by the Independent Safeguarding Authority on in October 2011 but was removed on 21 June 2012.

Teacher found with child porn allowed to return to work at school - Crime - UK - The Independent


anyone who isn't naturally revolted by anything like this is in the same camp as the perv.
no excuses. not from my end.
we're done.

 

[Agricola]

and creates the next generation of abusers.
this is established fact.

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy - John 10:10a

Hmm I see how I did not puncuate that properly, you did say the above, yes, which is what I was commenting on, I also expanding this further by pointing out that the thing about Next generations of abusers was highlighted and it often said we should lock them up as well.

 

[Agricola]

you seem to know more about this stuff than i do.
if you think i'm going to debate the fine details of some scale of criminality and weirdo desires, and decide well, bathing suit pervs aren't as bad as.....forget it.

.....

The images were of under age children and were child abuse images, the panel found. Mr Bettley was placed on the Sex Offenders Register for two years and placed on the Children's Barred List and the Adults Barred List by the Independent Safeguarding Authority on in October 2011 but was removed on 21 June 2012.

Teacher found with child porn allowed to return to work at school - Crime - UK - The Independent


anyone who isn't naturally revolted by anything like this is in the same camp as the perv.
no excuses. not from my end.
we're done.

Congratulations, you qualify for the Paedophile lurking behind every bush club. Yes, lets hunt everyone down whos looked at a child in bad way and execute them and have done with it.

 

[Graybeard]

Okay, so it's ok to steal sweets from the candy store but you better not rob a bank or you will be labelled a thief...right?

 

[Jorina]

Okay, so it's ok to steal sweets from the candy store but you better not rob a bank or you will be labelled a thief...right?

No its not. I think the difference in how people look at those 2 things is not coming from where the theft has been, but from the huge difference in the amount of people that are 'hurt' by the theft and the way its influencing the 'victims' lives.

 

[Agricola]

So its ok to seal a few cents worth of sweets and then get life in prison or electric chair same as if you killed someone robbing a bank? That is the comparison I am trying to make, not one about being let off.

If you read past the Daily Mail outrage headlines, you will see that just about everyone was convicted, they did not "get off". They were tried, found guilty and punished and now have a criminal record which will follow them for rest of their lives. Problem is people seem to think everyone should be treated the same.

The point I am showing is that not everyone is the same and how easy it is to get caught up in the witch hunt and wave of paranioa, so its best we look at each case on its own merits and see what is going on. If police want to make a case against you they will, even if its grade 1 pictures they find, just like the one I posted.

So i hope you can see, its easy to say "everyone is a vile sick pervert who needs to be strung up by thier balls and beaten to death", but are they and do they really need to be. Yes some very sick individuals who have been locked away for most of thier lives, but for having looked at a few grade one or two pictures online and that about it, then of course just being cautioned is correct course of action, not one of "you sick pervert you need to die", which we see many people clammering for.