Convert or we will kill you, Hindu lynch mobs tell fleeing Christians

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AgeofKnowledge

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"As a fresh wave of sectarian violence is unleashed across the Indian state of Orissa, Gethin Chamberlain talks to homeless survivors in Kandhamal district who were forced to abandon their religion.
Hundreds of Christians in the Indian state of Orissa have been forced to renounce their religion and become Hindus after lynch mobs issued them with a stark ultimatum: convert or die.

The wave of forced conversions marks a dramatic escalation in a two-month orgy of sectarian violence which has left at least 59 people dead, 50,000 homeless and thousands of houses and churches burnt to the ground. As neighbour has turned on neighbour, thousands more Christians have sought sanctuary in refugee camps, unable to return to the wreckage of their homes unless they, too, agree to abandon their faith.

Last week, in the worst-affected Kandhamal district, The Observer encountered compelling evidence of the scale of the violence employed in a conversion programme apparently sanctioned by members of one of the most powerful Hindu groups in India, the 6.8-million member Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) - the World Hindu Council."

Convert or we will kill you, Hindu lynch mobs tell fleeing Christians | World news | The Observer

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Well that's lovely.

I really detest it when people say any one religious group has never turned violent towards another. I've yet to hear of one that fits that description. Even us Christians have done it (and wrongly so).

Out of the heart comes violence :(.
 
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In the case of Hindus it appears to be tied to nationalism. They view India as a Hindu nation. Honestly the ancient Aryans that settled India from Central Asia (e.g. modern day Russia) were fierce warriors. Combined with the Muslim negation of India in which about 100 million Hindus died and the ongoing problems with Islamic nations like Pakistan, they aren't too peaceful when it comes to things they view as foreign.

This is just another aspect of the rapidly rising persecution against Christians world-wide. China stands ready to go to Phase III against Christians, Indians are lashing out at Christians, the West is passively persecuting Christians in the domains of government, public education, etc... now, government has aligned with Catholic orthodoxy in areas previously under the control of the Soviet Union and began to persecute Protestants.

Persecution madness has already begun and it's most directed against Protestant Christians by everyone else.
 
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I haven't studied veda and other hindu's references much, but is this in their book?
would be interesting to hear insights from those who know.
 
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leonardronaldo said:
I haven't studied veda and other hindu's references much, but is this in their book?
would be interesting to hear insights from those who know.
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I have studied Hinduism EXTENSIVELY and I can tell you that it's definitely not. Hinduism itself isn't "one" religion but a collection of MANY folk beliefs, eventually put together, ironically enough, by Christian (the British) when they colonized India, to make it more "Western." However, NONE of the Hindu religious texts condone this kind of violence, especially against innocent people that have done no harm to you. These people, I'm HOPING, are viewed like radical Muslims or genocidal African Christians, as defamers of their religions and going against everything their faith stands for.

This is horrible and I really hope the government of India, which is completely secular and has no religious dominion, takes care of these people and puts the terrorists in prison.
 
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reawakeningmemories said:
I have studied Hinduism EXTENSIVELY and I can tell you that it's definitely not. Hinduism itself isn't "one" religion but a collection of MANY folk beliefs, eventually put together, ironically enough, by Christian (the British) when they colonized India, to make it more "Western." However, NONE of the Hindu religious texts condone this kind of violence, especially against innocent people that have done no harm to you. These people, I'm HOPING, are viewed like radical Muslims or genocidal African Christians, as defamers of their religions and going against everything their faith stands for.

This is horrible and I really hope the government of India, which is completely secular and has no religious dominion, takes care of these people and puts the terrorists in prison.
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the radical muslims are just doing exactly what has been done by muhammad, just saying.
i respect your insight though. as one who have learned extensive Hinduism, what about the caste system in Hinduism?
 
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The caste system, to traditionalist Hindus, is more than just lower-middle-upper class we have in the west and far east. The closest thing we had in Western society to it is the medieval class system that separated peasants from businessmen from knights/ladies from clergy from noblemen/women from kings/queens. However, it takes on a deeper meaning to them. In Hinduism, you need a "good birth" to even consider yourself eligible for their "heaven" (which is closer to Buddhism's Nirvana concept.) However, unlike Buddhism, that says ALL humans can lead good lives, in (some) Hindu groups, they believe only upper castes can actually go to Heaven, and those born into low castes deserve it b/c of a past life.

Obviously not all Hindus believe this and the caste system in modernized areas is basically gone, it still proves a major problem for the lower castes in rural areas, as well as Christians, Muslims and Buddhists in India, who are viewed as falling outside the caste system completely, even lower than the lowest caste.

I won't bore you with the tons and tons of conflicting scripture, but to some Hindu groups, the caste system is simply your "duty" of your birth, like being born a baker's son means you should be a baker, etc. In others though, they treat the lower castes like scum. However, the source texts of Hinduism (the Ramayana, Bhagavad Gita, Mahabharta, etc) have no references to caste systems (except for those born into priest/priestess families) and so this was probably an invention of the culture more than the religion, but it became integrated into the religious beliefs of some Hindus later.

Basically, these people are just evil and looking for an excuse to cause chaos...
 
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reawakeningmemories said:
The caste system, to traditionalist Hindus, is more than just lower-middle-upper class we have in the west and far east. The closest thing we had in Western society to it is the medieval class system that separated peasants from businessmen from knights/ladies from clergy from noblemen/women from kings/queens. However, it takes on a deeper meaning to them. In Hinduism, you need a "good birth" to even consider yourself eligible for their "heaven" (which is closer to Buddhism's Nirvana concept.) However, unlike Buddhism, that says ALL humans can lead good lives, in (some) Hindu groups, they believe only upper castes can actually go to Heaven, and those born into low castes deserve it b/c of a past life.

Obviously not all Hindus believe this and the caste system in modernized areas is basically gone, it still proves a major problem for the lower castes in rural areas, as well as Christians, Muslims and Buddhists in India, who are viewed as falling outside the caste system completely, even lower than the lowest caste.

I won't bore you with the tons and tons of conflicting scripture, but to some Hindu groups, the caste system is simply your "duty" of your birth, like being born a baker's son means you should be a baker, etc. In others though, they treat the lower castes like scum. However, the source texts of Hinduism (the Ramayana, Bhagavad Gita, Mahabharta, etc) have no references to caste systems (except for those born into priest/priestess families) and so this was probably an invention of the culture more than the religion, but it became integrated into the religious beliefs of some Hindus later.

Basically, these people are just evil and looking for an excuse to cause chaos...
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i see.
so the idea of killing non believers might be coming from that opinion that non believers are even lower than the lowest caste.
 
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