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Hey,
As an immunologist I find it really sad to see that so many people are still confused by this scandal. Although I can hardly blame them given the media circus of the late 1990s. The link you are referring to between autism and vaccines was established in the late 1990s by Dr Andrew Wakefield in a study of twelve children whom had received the MMR vaccine.
Dr Wakefield published the study noting that many of these children developed behavioural abnormalities within 2 weeks of receiving the triple measles mumps and rubella vaccine. Soon after the publication other laboratories warned that they were unable to reproduce the results of this investigation- which is an important part of the scientific practice. By 2004 a conflict of interest was bought to light, Dr Wakefields study had received over 50,000 pounds of funding from participants of a class action lawsuit against the MMR vaccine. Dr Wakefield was forced to leave the Childrens Hospital where he conducted the research.
By 2010 Dr. Wakefield was stripped of his status as a practitioner and a researcher, as revelations came to light that much of the data published in his study was falsified, parents of children in the study admitted symptoms had been showing before receiving the vaccine. Since this time no scientific trial has been able to establish either causal link or correlation
between MMR and autism.
Just to clarify, both vaccinations and autism rates are definitely on the rise. Mean average global temperature has been increasing at the same time. This does not mean that it is related to autism or the rate of vaccination. Even if there was a strong correlation between autism and vaccination (which there is not), it does not establish causality. It has been well documented that the rates of autism diagnosis are increasing, I would suggest that the apparent increase in autism you are seeing is the result of labelling children in a different way. When you were younger autism was under diagnosed, and therefore you may simply not have noticed it.
As an immunologist I find it really sad to see that so many people are still confused by this scandal. Although I can hardly blame them given the media circus of the late 1990s. The link you are referring to between autism and vaccines was established in the late 1990s by Dr Andrew Wakefield in a study of twelve children whom had received the MMR vaccine.
Dr Wakefield published the study noting that many of these children developed behavioural abnormalities within 2 weeks of receiving the triple measles mumps and rubella vaccine. Soon after the publication other laboratories warned that they were unable to reproduce the results of this investigation- which is an important part of the scientific practice. By 2004 a conflict of interest was bought to light, Dr Wakefields study had received over 50,000 pounds of funding from participants of a class action lawsuit against the MMR vaccine. Dr Wakefield was forced to leave the Childrens Hospital where he conducted the research.
By 2010 Dr. Wakefield was stripped of his status as a practitioner and a researcher, as revelations came to light that much of the data published in his study was falsified, parents of children in the study admitted symptoms had been showing before receiving the vaccine. Since this time no scientific trial has been able to establish either causal link or correlation
between MMR and autism.
Just to clarify, both vaccinations and autism rates are definitely on the rise. Mean average global temperature has been increasing at the same time. This does not mean that it is related to autism or the rate of vaccination. Even if there was a strong correlation between autism and vaccination (which there is not), it does not establish causality. It has been well documented that the rates of autism diagnosis are increasing, I would suggest that the apparent increase in autism you are seeing is the result of labelling children in a different way. When you were younger autism was under diagnosed, and therefore you may simply not have noticed it.
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It's nice to actually get a chance to ask an immunologist this question.......It's not the science behind the vaccinations I question (Because it did help Polio legitimately based on my research).......but what about the other junk in the vaccines themselves? Like Thimerosol for example, it's a mercury based preservative if memory serves correctly.....and we all know mercury is extremely nuerotoxic. There are also cases of disorders being directly linked to Vaccines without question (I'm not claiming the scientific community agrees about the autism link specifically, but there are others), but the odds are so low people say basically don't worry about it but I'd rather not play the lottery.....like this one girl got a swine flu vaccine back when that panic was going on and it really messed up her nervous system.....her body would just jump around randomly like a parkinsons patient only worse. I don't have the source right off hand but there was actually a full on news piece done on it via a major cable network.....you can see the effects it had and no one disputed what the cause was. I'm thinking the junk they put in as preservatives could legitimately be the true culprit.
that old explanation?
we're more medically advanced so now the increase is just clearer (or however the logic goes)?
i once heard someone claim that childhood cancers (never recorded in medical history) always existed, it's just that now we're so good at whatever it is we do, we recognize the cancer for what it is (or some such nonsense).
...
anyone at all can read the history of these vaccines; they can study big pharma and reach a few reasonable conclusions.
for example: unspeakable rise in diseases, timed exactly with the vaccination programs; which were developed and funded by known eugenicists.
In August 1991, the Institute of Medicine released a report entitled Adverse Effects of Pertussis and Rubella Vaccines, which examined 18 adverse events in relation to diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) vaccine and four adverse events in relation to the currently used rubella vaccine strain, RA 27/3. The committee spent 20 months reviewing a wide range of information sources, including case series and individual case reports, both published and unpublished, epidemiologic studies, studies in animals, and other laboratory studies. The committee found that the evidence indicates a causal relation between DTP vaccine and anaphylaxis and between the pertussis component of DTP vaccine and extended periods of inconsolable crying or screaming. The committee also reported that the evidence indicates a causal relation between the rubella vaccine and acute arthritis in adult women. The committee found the available evidence weaker but still consistent with a causal relation between DTP vaccine and two conditions—acute encephalopathy and hypotonic, hyporesponsive episodes—and between rubella vaccine and chronic arthritis in adult women.
ARTICLE | January 15, 1992
Adverse Events Following Pertussis and Rubella Vaccines
Summary of a Report of the Institute of Medicine
Christopher P. Howson, PhD; Harvey V. Fineberg, MD, PhD
JAMA. 1992;267(3):392-396. doi:10.1001/jama.1992.03480030070039
...
it's a little like the big pharma commercials on tv.
want a better sex life?
take this drug. enjoy!
then really really fast for 10 minutes a list of what could happen.
notify your doctor IF:
you have thoughts of suicide; desire to gamble; depression; hallucinations; desire to be a mass shooter; heart palpitations; increased danger of liver failure; known to cause heart attacks; giant pimple on your butt....etc etc
...
"But if falling asleep sporadically throughout your day doesn’t catch your attention—the research published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings just might. Researchers monitored the medical records of 267 patients who were taking Ropinirole between July 1, 2004, and June 30, 2006, and found that, due to the drug, nearly 20 percent of the subjects were documented with hypersexuality as well as experiencing the new-onset of compulsive gambling."
3 Meds with the Craziest Side Effects Ever
by Madeline Haller February 9, 2012, 02:00 am EST
Medications That No Man Should Take | Men's Health News
GAMBLING? they are that far along with this junk? amazing.
Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Short Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment
Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
nothing new under the sun i reckon.
we're more medically advanced so now the increase is just clearer (or however the logic goes)?
i once heard someone claim that childhood cancers (never recorded in medical history) always existed, it's just that now we're so good at whatever it is we do, we recognize the cancer for what it is (or some such nonsense).
...
anyone at all can read the history of these vaccines; they can study big pharma and reach a few reasonable conclusions.
for example: unspeakable rise in diseases, timed exactly with the vaccination programs; which were developed and funded by known eugenicists.
In August 1991, the Institute of Medicine released a report entitled Adverse Effects of Pertussis and Rubella Vaccines, which examined 18 adverse events in relation to diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis (DTP) vaccine and four adverse events in relation to the currently used rubella vaccine strain, RA 27/3. The committee spent 20 months reviewing a wide range of information sources, including case series and individual case reports, both published and unpublished, epidemiologic studies, studies in animals, and other laboratory studies. The committee found that the evidence indicates a causal relation between DTP vaccine and anaphylaxis and between the pertussis component of DTP vaccine and extended periods of inconsolable crying or screaming. The committee also reported that the evidence indicates a causal relation between the rubella vaccine and acute arthritis in adult women. The committee found the available evidence weaker but still consistent with a causal relation between DTP vaccine and two conditions—acute encephalopathy and hypotonic, hyporesponsive episodes—and between rubella vaccine and chronic arthritis in adult women.
ARTICLE | January 15, 1992
Adverse Events Following Pertussis and Rubella Vaccines
Summary of a Report of the Institute of Medicine
Christopher P. Howson, PhD; Harvey V. Fineberg, MD, PhD
JAMA. 1992;267(3):392-396. doi:10.1001/jama.1992.03480030070039
...
it's a little like the big pharma commercials on tv.
want a better sex life?
take this drug. enjoy!
then really really fast for 10 minutes a list of what could happen.
notify your doctor IF:
you have thoughts of suicide; desire to gamble; depression; hallucinations; desire to be a mass shooter; heart palpitations; increased danger of liver failure; known to cause heart attacks; giant pimple on your butt....etc etc
...
"But if falling asleep sporadically throughout your day doesn’t catch your attention—the research published in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings just might. Researchers monitored the medical records of 267 patients who were taking Ropinirole between July 1, 2004, and June 30, 2006, and found that, due to the drug, nearly 20 percent of the subjects were documented with hypersexuality as well as experiencing the new-onset of compulsive gambling."
3 Meds with the Craziest Side Effects Ever
by Madeline Haller February 9, 2012, 02:00 am EST
Medications That No Man Should Take | Men's Health News
GAMBLING? they are that far along with this junk? amazing.
Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
pharmakeia: the use of medicine, drugs or spells
Original Word: φαρμακεία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pharmakeia
Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-i'-ah)
Short Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment
Definition: magic, sorcery, enchantment.
5331 pharmakeía (from pharmakeuō, "administer drugs") – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. (A. T. Robertson).
nothing new under the sun i reckon.
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ABSTRACT
ABSTRACT | REFERENCES
Objective: To determine parent and physician opinions regarding the administration of multiple childhood immunizations by injection.
Design: Confidential mailed survey to physicians and residents; interview of parents during office visits for immunizations.
Participants: Physicians and parents from Rochester, NY.
Results: The survey included 215 practicing physicians and 74 residents; response rate was 82%. Of the 197 parents interviewed, 93% were mothers, 68% were white; the mean (±SD) age was 25.8±5.2 years, with 12.8±1.8 years of education; 59% had private insurance, and 35% had Medicaid coverage. Of the parents, 31% had strong concerns about their child receiving a single injection; an additional 10% (total, 41% vs 31%; X2=4.05, P=.04) had the same concerns about their child receiving three injections. More practicing physicians than parents had strong concerns about children 7 months old or younger receiving three injections (60% vs 41%; X2=7.71, P≤.01). Physician concern increased further when physicians were asked about administration of four injections (80% vs 60%; X2=18.77, P<.001). Of the parents, 64% preferred one rather than two visits to have three injections administered, if their physician recommended it; 58% still preferred one visit even if four injections were needed.
Conclusions: Physicians have more concerns than parents about the administration of multiple injections at a single visit. Pain for the child was the main concern of all respondents. While most physicians have strong concerns about administering three or more injections at one visit, most parents prefer this practice. Continued education and reassurance of parents and physicians is needed to address concerns about children becoming "pincushions" from immunizations.(Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 1995;149:845-849)
JAMA Network | JAMA Pediatrics | Physician and Parent Opinions: Are Children Becoming Pincushions From Immunizations?
.....
"Of the parents, 64% preferred one rather than two visits to have three injections administered, if their physician recommended it; 58% still preferred one visit even if four injections were needed."
okay?
these things are mandated by color of law.
they do a secret survey to find out WHO is troubled by this evil practice...and the conclusion? > MORE PROPAGANDA needed to "reassure" parents (and doctors).
notice the parent does what the physician recommends.
...
49 DOSES OF 14 VACCINES BEFORE AGE 6?
69 DOSES OF 16 VACCINES BY AGE 18?
VACCINE INGREDIENTS: Different vaccines contain different ingredients including lab altered live or inactivated viruses and bacteria, chemicals, metals,
proteins, antibiotics and human, animal and insect DNA and RNA.
Before you take the risk, find out what it is.
...
THREE TIMES AS MANY VACCINATIONS FOR CHILDREN
1953: CDC recommended 16 doses of 4 vaccines (smallpox, DPT) between two months and age six.
1983: CDC recommended 23 doses of 7 vaccines (DPT, MMR, polio) between two months and age six.
2013: CDC recommended 49 doses of 14 vaccines between day of birth and age six and 69 doses of 16 vaccines between
day of birth and age 18.
U.S. CHILD CHRONIC DISEASE INCREASES
1976: 1 child in 30 was learning disabled → 2013: 1 child in 6 is learning disabled.
1980: 1 child in 27 had asthma → 2013: 1 child in 9 has asthma.
1990’s: 1 child in 555 developed autism → 2013: 1 child in 50 develops autism.
2001: 1 child in 500 had diabetes → 2013: 1 child in 400 has diabetes.
MULTIPLE VACCINATIONS GIVEN SIMULTANEOUSLY
In 1983, the CDC directed doctors to give a child no more than 4 vaccines (DPT, polio) simultaneously.
By 2013, the CDC directed that a child can receive 8 or more vaccines at once.
NATIONAL CHILDHOOD VACCINE INJURY ACT OF 1986
Under the federal vaccine injury compensation program (VICP), more than $2.5 billon has been paid to vaccine injured
individuals, as well as to families, whose children have died after vaccination in the U.S
http://www.nvic.org/downloads/49-doses-posterb.aspx
NO THANKS
ABSTRACT | REFERENCES
Objective: To determine parent and physician opinions regarding the administration of multiple childhood immunizations by injection.
Design: Confidential mailed survey to physicians and residents; interview of parents during office visits for immunizations.
Participants: Physicians and parents from Rochester, NY.
Results: The survey included 215 practicing physicians and 74 residents; response rate was 82%. Of the 197 parents interviewed, 93% were mothers, 68% were white; the mean (±SD) age was 25.8±5.2 years, with 12.8±1.8 years of education; 59% had private insurance, and 35% had Medicaid coverage. Of the parents, 31% had strong concerns about their child receiving a single injection; an additional 10% (total, 41% vs 31%; X2=4.05, P=.04) had the same concerns about their child receiving three injections. More practicing physicians than parents had strong concerns about children 7 months old or younger receiving three injections (60% vs 41%; X2=7.71, P≤.01). Physician concern increased further when physicians were asked about administration of four injections (80% vs 60%; X2=18.77, P<.001). Of the parents, 64% preferred one rather than two visits to have three injections administered, if their physician recommended it; 58% still preferred one visit even if four injections were needed.
Conclusions: Physicians have more concerns than parents about the administration of multiple injections at a single visit. Pain for the child was the main concern of all respondents. While most physicians have strong concerns about administering three or more injections at one visit, most parents prefer this practice. Continued education and reassurance of parents and physicians is needed to address concerns about children becoming "pincushions" from immunizations.(Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 1995;149:845-849)
JAMA Network | JAMA Pediatrics | Physician and Parent Opinions: Are Children Becoming Pincushions From Immunizations?
.....
"Of the parents, 64% preferred one rather than two visits to have three injections administered, if their physician recommended it; 58% still preferred one visit even if four injections were needed."
okay?
these things are mandated by color of law.
they do a secret survey to find out WHO is troubled by this evil practice...and the conclusion? > MORE PROPAGANDA needed to "reassure" parents (and doctors).
notice the parent does what the physician recommends.
...
49 DOSES OF 14 VACCINES BEFORE AGE 6?
69 DOSES OF 16 VACCINES BY AGE 18?
VACCINE INGREDIENTS: Different vaccines contain different ingredients including lab altered live or inactivated viruses and bacteria, chemicals, metals,
proteins, antibiotics and human, animal and insect DNA and RNA.
Before you take the risk, find out what it is.
...
THREE TIMES AS MANY VACCINATIONS FOR CHILDREN
1953: CDC recommended 16 doses of 4 vaccines (smallpox, DPT) between two months and age six.
1983: CDC recommended 23 doses of 7 vaccines (DPT, MMR, polio) between two months and age six.
2013: CDC recommended 49 doses of 14 vaccines between day of birth and age six and 69 doses of 16 vaccines between
day of birth and age 18.
U.S. CHILD CHRONIC DISEASE INCREASES
1976: 1 child in 30 was learning disabled → 2013: 1 child in 6 is learning disabled.
1980: 1 child in 27 had asthma → 2013: 1 child in 9 has asthma.
1990’s: 1 child in 555 developed autism → 2013: 1 child in 50 develops autism.
2001: 1 child in 500 had diabetes → 2013: 1 child in 400 has diabetes.
MULTIPLE VACCINATIONS GIVEN SIMULTANEOUSLY
In 1983, the CDC directed doctors to give a child no more than 4 vaccines (DPT, polio) simultaneously.
By 2013, the CDC directed that a child can receive 8 or more vaccines at once.
NATIONAL CHILDHOOD VACCINE INJURY ACT OF 1986
Under the federal vaccine injury compensation program (VICP), more than $2.5 billon has been paid to vaccine injured
individuals, as well as to families, whose children have died after vaccination in the U.S
http://www.nvic.org/downloads/49-doses-posterb.aspx
NO THANKS
Question
Vaccination schedule: Why so many so fast?
I'm concerned about my newborn's vaccination schedule. Why do infants need so many vaccines so quickly?
Answer
from Jay L. Hoecker, M.D.
Newborns need multiple vaccines because infectious diseases can cause more-serious problems in infants than in older children.
Vaccination schedule: Why so many so fast? - MayoClinic.com
...
oh OKAY then!
load him up....i believe ya.
1968 - before ROE VS WADE (which is helpful, but not fast enough)
SCROLL TO PAGE 58
PROBLEMS OF POPULATION
http://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/uploads/files/1496d619-017d-4b13-8a64-fce8ed4f785d-1968.pdf
Very little work is in progress on immunological methods, such as vaccines, to reduce fertility, and much more research is required if a solution is to be found here.
We are faced with the danger that within a few years these two modern methods [THE PILL & IUD], for which such high hopes have been held, will in fact turn out to be impracticable on a mass scale...
The unchecked fertility of the indigent does much to perpetuate poverty, undereducation, and underemployment, not only in urban slums, but also in depressed rural areas.
....
[video=youtube;ClqUcScwnn8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8[/video]
David Rockefeller speaks about population control
^ somebody mentioned no empathy...etc? here's what a psychopath sounds like ^
Vaccination schedule: Why so many so fast?
I'm concerned about my newborn's vaccination schedule. Why do infants need so many vaccines so quickly?
Answer
from Jay L. Hoecker, M.D.
Newborns need multiple vaccines because infectious diseases can cause more-serious problems in infants than in older children.
Vaccination schedule: Why so many so fast? - MayoClinic.com
...
oh OKAY then!
load him up....i believe ya.
1968 - before ROE VS WADE (which is helpful, but not fast enough)
SCROLL TO PAGE 58
PROBLEMS OF POPULATION
http://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/uploads/files/1496d619-017d-4b13-8a64-fce8ed4f785d-1968.pdf
Very little work is in progress on immunological methods, such as vaccines, to reduce fertility, and much more research is required if a solution is to be found here.
We are faced with the danger that within a few years these two modern methods [THE PILL & IUD], for which such high hopes have been held, will in fact turn out to be impracticable on a mass scale...
The unchecked fertility of the indigent does much to perpetuate poverty, undereducation, and underemployment, not only in urban slums, but also in depressed rural areas.
....
[video=youtube;ClqUcScwnn8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8[/video]
David Rockefeller speaks about population control
^ somebody mentioned no empathy...etc? here's what a psychopath sounds like ^
An investigation into an outbreak in a high school in a town that was heavily hit by the virus found that about half of the cases were in teens who had received the recommended two doses of vaccine in childhood — in other words, teens whom authorities would have expected to have been protected from the measles virus.
It's generally assumed that the measles vaccine, when given in a two-dose schedule in early childhood, should protect against measles infection about 99 per cent of the time. So the discovery that 52 of the 98 teens who caught measles were fully vaccinated came as a shock to the researchers who conducted the investigation.
But he suggested the discovery that as many of the cases were fully vaccinated as unvaccinated raises a serious question about whether the timing of the delivery of the first dose of measles vaccine is undermining the efficacy of the prevention program.
Measles among vaccinated Quebec kids questioned - Health - CBC News
oh how could this happen?
we're shocked.
it's generally assumed that?
that's the best they got?
It's generally assumed that the measles vaccine, when given in a two-dose schedule in early childhood, should protect against measles infection about 99 per cent of the time. So the discovery that 52 of the 98 teens who caught measles were fully vaccinated came as a shock to the researchers who conducted the investigation.
But he suggested the discovery that as many of the cases were fully vaccinated as unvaccinated raises a serious question about whether the timing of the delivery of the first dose of measles vaccine is undermining the efficacy of the prevention program.
Measles among vaccinated Quebec kids questioned - Health - CBC News
oh how could this happen?
we're shocked.
it's generally assumed that?
that's the best they got?
As for the nasal spray, which does contain live flu viruses, Dr. Dan Harper, who is against vaccinations of all kinds, is especially leery of this methodology.
“You have 100 million viruses sprayed up the nose, along with other things like MSG (monosodium glutamate) and sugar, which causes inflammation. And since the virus also contains egg [proteins], you run the risk of introducing an avian retrovirus, which can cause encephalitis in humans.
“And so here you are spraying this up into your nose, just a few millimeters from the brain with MSG traveling across the blood-brain barrier, causing potential damage to neurotransmitters,” says Harper, who is based Solana Beach, Calif.
The truth about getting the flu shot | MNN - Mother Nature Network
“You have 100 million viruses sprayed up the nose, along with other things like MSG (monosodium glutamate) and sugar, which causes inflammation. And since the virus also contains egg [proteins], you run the risk of introducing an avian retrovirus, which can cause encephalitis in humans.
“And so here you are spraying this up into your nose, just a few millimeters from the brain with MSG traveling across the blood-brain barrier, causing potential damage to neurotransmitters,” says Harper, who is based Solana Beach, Calif.
The truth about getting the flu shot | MNN - Mother Nature Network
It did legitimately help polio yes. It has been eradicated from the Western world. Polio was able to be successfully eradicated from countries participating in the vaccination schedule because the causative agent of Polio does not have an animal reservoir, (i.e., influenza is held in most mammals and can directly infect humans with strains from other animals such as the bird and the pig). Furthermore polio doesn't have a latency period like other viruses such as HIV. So we did get quite lucky with polio.
As for Thimerosol there has been no evidence to suggest that the concentrations at which it is present in vaccines causes any damage to humans. nonetheless you are correct. Why take the risk? I live in Australia and most of you live in the US. Two developed countries with low rates of serious infections due to vaccines, so therefore it is important to re-evaluate the risks. Thimersol has been removed from most vaccines recommended for children with only two or three exceptions I believe, as it is deemed an unnecessary risk.
http://www.ncirs.edu.au/immunisation/fact-sheets/thiomersal-fact-sheet.pdf
This link lists all of the thimerosol free vaccines currently provided in Australia. I haven't looked into it but I would be surprised if they weren't used in the US as most vaccine manufacturers would be in the US. Nonetheless it is important to note your body actually requires mercury to be healthy (I am not suggesting this is why it is in vaccines) but like most metal i.e. magnesium, iron, calcium etc. you require them in trace amounts and high concentrations are toxic. Toxic doses are not in vaccines, at least according to current knowledge.
These preservatives are important for a variety of reasons, in developing countries it is essential to have vaccines as serious serious illnesses you will never see anyone suffer in the US are widespread. But that is a different risk analysis. In terms of vaccines in developed countries containing thimersol, you mentioned influenza. Influenza has an extremely rapid rate of mutation due to an unstable fragmented genome. Due to having its genome in multiple fragments it can also very quickly swap with other strains causing outbreaks such as the 2009 scare or the Spanish flu in the early 1900s. Our understanding of immunological interactions with pathogens is not complete, and never will be due to the inherent complexity and constant evolutions so predicting how dangerous an outbreak will be is difficult and likely varies from individual to individual as well. So the 2009 outbreak wasn't as bad as we predicted. Nonetheless, thimersol is used in flu vaccines as a preservative because during outbreaks it is necessary to have an extremely large amount of vaccine ready, the demand is greater than the rate of production.
Every 6 months scientists from around the world meet to predict what the next flu outbreak will be and prepare a multivalent vaccine (Includes 3-4 possible strains) and vaccines are stockpiled before the outbreak in order to meet the demand. If thimerosol wasn't included the vaccines would expire and we simply couldn't vaccinate everyone. New methods of vaccine production are under investigation to improve this situation but remember in terms of medicine its a relatively new technology.
As to the case you are commenting about with the girl, I believe you and it is tragic. But as you are unable to cite a reference I can not comment. I am not sweeping it under the rug or saying it didn't happen, some people are allergic to components of vaccine, it could be alum it could be the preservative. It is horrible and definitely a contraindication to give the individual any vaccines again. If you can find a reference someone and post it I would be happy to look further into it. If you have any more questions feel free to ask and I will try my best to answer. I may take some time double checking facts- I would hate to disseminate false information.
As for Thimerosol there has been no evidence to suggest that the concentrations at which it is present in vaccines causes any damage to humans. nonetheless you are correct. Why take the risk? I live in Australia and most of you live in the US. Two developed countries with low rates of serious infections due to vaccines, so therefore it is important to re-evaluate the risks. Thimersol has been removed from most vaccines recommended for children with only two or three exceptions I believe, as it is deemed an unnecessary risk.
http://www.ncirs.edu.au/immunisation/fact-sheets/thiomersal-fact-sheet.pdf
This link lists all of the thimerosol free vaccines currently provided in Australia. I haven't looked into it but I would be surprised if they weren't used in the US as most vaccine manufacturers would be in the US. Nonetheless it is important to note your body actually requires mercury to be healthy (I am not suggesting this is why it is in vaccines) but like most metal i.e. magnesium, iron, calcium etc. you require them in trace amounts and high concentrations are toxic. Toxic doses are not in vaccines, at least according to current knowledge.
These preservatives are important for a variety of reasons, in developing countries it is essential to have vaccines as serious serious illnesses you will never see anyone suffer in the US are widespread. But that is a different risk analysis. In terms of vaccines in developed countries containing thimersol, you mentioned influenza. Influenza has an extremely rapid rate of mutation due to an unstable fragmented genome. Due to having its genome in multiple fragments it can also very quickly swap with other strains causing outbreaks such as the 2009 scare or the Spanish flu in the early 1900s. Our understanding of immunological interactions with pathogens is not complete, and never will be due to the inherent complexity and constant evolutions so predicting how dangerous an outbreak will be is difficult and likely varies from individual to individual as well. So the 2009 outbreak wasn't as bad as we predicted. Nonetheless, thimersol is used in flu vaccines as a preservative because during outbreaks it is necessary to have an extremely large amount of vaccine ready, the demand is greater than the rate of production.
Every 6 months scientists from around the world meet to predict what the next flu outbreak will be and prepare a multivalent vaccine (Includes 3-4 possible strains) and vaccines are stockpiled before the outbreak in order to meet the demand. If thimerosol wasn't included the vaccines would expire and we simply couldn't vaccinate everyone. New methods of vaccine production are under investigation to improve this situation but remember in terms of medicine its a relatively new technology.
As to the case you are commenting about with the girl, I believe you and it is tragic. But as you are unable to cite a reference I can not comment. I am not sweeping it under the rug or saying it didn't happen, some people are allergic to components of vaccine, it could be alum it could be the preservative. It is horrible and definitely a contraindication to give the individual any vaccines again. If you can find a reference someone and post it I would be happy to look further into it. If you have any more questions feel free to ask and I will try my best to answer. I may take some time double checking facts- I would hate to disseminate false information.
polio will never be 'eradicated'...because it has been kept alive....in the lab.
sounds familiar.
...
Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today. By Viera Scheibner, PhD
– APRIL 2, 2012
In 1967, the World Health Organization(WHO) initiated a world-wide eradication campaign against smallpox. In that year, some 131,000 cases of smallpox were reported to WHO from 42 countries. It was understood that this number could have represented only some 5% of the total number of cases. What was the possible motivation for such an ambitious program?
Side effects and ineffectiveness of smallpox vaccination have been the main smallpox issue discussed in medical papers for a long time. In 1928, the British Medical Journal (14 January:74) published an article by Garrow showing that the fatality rate among the vaccinated cases of smallpox in England and Wales in 1923 and 1926, in those over 15 years of age, was higher than among the unvaccinated.
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Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today. By Viera Scheibner, PhD
– APRIL 2, 2012
In 1967, the World Health Organization(WHO) initiated a world-wide eradication campaign against smallpox. In that year, some 131,000 cases of smallpox were reported to WHO from 42 countries. It was understood that this number could have represented only some 5% of the total number of cases. What was the possible motivation for such an ambitious program?
Side effects and ineffectiveness of smallpox vaccination have been the main smallpox issue discussed in medical papers for a long time. In 1928, the British Medical Journal (14 January:74) published an article by Garrow showing that the fatality rate among the vaccinated cases of smallpox in England and Wales in 1923 and 1926, in those over 15 years of age, was higher than among the unvaccinated.
- See more at: Smallpox was declared eradicated, yet still infects humans today. By Viera Scheibner, PhD | International Medical Council on Vaccination
Cancer in children is definitely not a new thing. It is very very sad, but cancer can unfortunately arise at any point in life. Quite often childhood cancers are genetic due to mutations in either the egg or the sperm, it typically involves a chromosomal translocation causing a normal gene to be constantly expressed. Such genes are called proto-oncogenes. You can google that. 
I don't understand what you mean by we are more medically advanced now? I just gave you some of the latest available information.
Of course all vaccines have possible side effects. It is absolutely all about risk analysis. If a scientist or clinician gave you a vaccine and told you that there were absolutely no risks, I believe he or she would be criminally negligent. Or just plain stupid. However you take risks every day, and you weigh up if it is a risk worth taking. Look at pertussis, tetanus and diphtheria. It is up to you whether you choose to vaccinate your child against them of course, but I would recommend looking into the diseases themselves. And how many people you know who have had the disease. Probably none because it rarely surfaces in developed countries.
We often quote 92% as the magic number. Herd immunity, basically the vaccinated community protects unvaccinated individuals from these diseases by not transmitting the disease limiting its potential pool of hosts. When the vaccination status drops below this number bad things can start to happen. Most developed countries are between 95% and 98% due to consciences objectors and immunocompromised individuals (the very elderly, HIV infected individuals, and those without an immune system such as SCIDs patients), which is fine. I support your right to choose, but is something to consider. You child will likely never get any of these horrible diseases because he or she lives in America, or Australia, or New Zeland Canada or Europe. It doesn't matter whether you vaccinate or not because we are all protecting him or her.
This is a huge issue recently as many are saying 'my child didn't get a vaccine and look how healthy he is'. Its really not that simple. But take a trip to a developing country and you will see first hand when you visit a vaccinated community, and than cross a border to a place where religious officials (not pinning anyone here, they aren't christians of any sort) have banned vaccines. This is obviously a bad move as it takes away the right to choose, the right you are currently afforded.
I don't understand what you mean by we are more medically advanced now? I just gave you some of the latest available information.
Of course all vaccines have possible side effects. It is absolutely all about risk analysis. If a scientist or clinician gave you a vaccine and told you that there were absolutely no risks, I believe he or she would be criminally negligent. Or just plain stupid. However you take risks every day, and you weigh up if it is a risk worth taking. Look at pertussis, tetanus and diphtheria. It is up to you whether you choose to vaccinate your child against them of course, but I would recommend looking into the diseases themselves. And how many people you know who have had the disease. Probably none because it rarely surfaces in developed countries.
We often quote 92% as the magic number. Herd immunity, basically the vaccinated community protects unvaccinated individuals from these diseases by not transmitting the disease limiting its potential pool of hosts. When the vaccination status drops below this number bad things can start to happen. Most developed countries are between 95% and 98% due to consciences objectors and immunocompromised individuals (the very elderly, HIV infected individuals, and those without an immune system such as SCIDs patients), which is fine. I support your right to choose, but is something to consider. You child will likely never get any of these horrible diseases because he or she lives in America, or Australia, or New Zeland Canada or Europe. It doesn't matter whether you vaccinate or not because we are all protecting him or her.
This is a huge issue recently as many are saying 'my child didn't get a vaccine and look how healthy he is'. Its really not that simple. But take a trip to a developing country and you will see first hand when you visit a vaccinated community, and than cross a border to a place where religious officials (not pinning anyone here, they aren't christians of any sort) have banned vaccines. This is obviously a bad move as it takes away the right to choose, the right you are currently afforded.
I care because its not about me. As a scientist communication is very important. And look where we are now? It seems we have failed. In the worst of ways.
Some countries have banned vaccinations at times due to poor communication. Innocent lives are lost. If a parent chooses not to vaccinate a child, and that child is extremely unlucky and manages to encounter the pathogen they can die very quickly in some rare cases of the really bad nasties. I care because that child didn't choose, that child didn't understand the risks, and now that child is dead.
Who is to blame? The parents believe they are acting in the childs best interests so you can't and rightly shouldn't blame them? Perhaps the clinicians, practitioners and scientists need to improve there campaign. I am not here to swamp anyone with rubbish, or force you to do anything. I am just asking people to try and remove bias, look at both sides, and consider the evidence, consider the risks and make a truly informed choice. Whatever that might be.
Some countries have banned vaccinations at times due to poor communication. Innocent lives are lost. If a parent chooses not to vaccinate a child, and that child is extremely unlucky and manages to encounter the pathogen they can die very quickly in some rare cases of the really bad nasties. I care because that child didn't choose, that child didn't understand the risks, and now that child is dead.
Who is to blame? The parents believe they are acting in the childs best interests so you can't and rightly shouldn't blame them? Perhaps the clinicians, practitioners and scientists need to improve there campaign. I am not here to swamp anyone with rubbish, or force you to do anything. I am just asking people to try and remove bias, look at both sides, and consider the evidence, consider the risks and make a truly informed choice. Whatever that might be.