Scientists Say RFID CHIPS Unavoidable.

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[TD][h=2]Scientists Now Say That Human Implantable RFID Microchips Are Unavoidable[/h]by NTEB News Desk [/TD]
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[FONT=&quot]The Mark of the Beast[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Technologies designed specifically to track and monitor human beings have been in development for at least two decades. In the virtual realm, software programs are now capable of watching us in real time, going so far as to make predictions about our future behaviors and sending alerts to the appropriate monitoring station depending on how a computer algorithm flags your activities. That is in and of itself a scary proposition.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]What may be even scarier, however, is what’s happening in the physical realm. According to researches working on human-embedded microchips it’s only a matter of time before these systems achieve widespread acceptance.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Chances are you’re carrying a couple of RFID microchips now. And if you are, they’re sending out a 15-digit number that identifies you. That number can be picked up by what’s called an ISO compliant scanner. And they’re everywhere, too.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It’s not possible to interact with society in a meaningful way by not having a mobile phone. I think human implants are likely to go along a very similar route. It would be such a disadvantage to not have the implant that it essentially becomes not optional.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]'Extra Sensory' Droid DNA Verizon Commercial from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Your initial reaction to this idea may be one of disbelief. There’s no way society would accept such a device. Why would anyone want to implant this in their body? Consider for a moment where we are right now. For decades Americans rejected the notion that they would submit to being tracked or recorded.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yet, just about every American now carries a mobile phone. They’re so prevalent, in fact, that many consider it a “right,” prompting the government to actually provide subsidies to those who can’t afford one on their own.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Embedded in every one of those phones is an RFID chip that can track our every movement via GPS or cell tower triangulation. Moreover, those microphones and cameras that come standard on every phone can be remotely activated by law enforcement surveillance systems, a capability that has existed since the early 2000′s.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The World Begins To Embrace The Implantable RFID Microchip from Now The End Begins on Vimeo.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But as intrusive as these devices are, they are accepted as the norm by billions of people world wide. Not only that, but no one had to “force” them on us. We are, it seems, the masters of our own enslavement. And we pay top dollar to have the best tracking device money can buy![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Granted, one can simply disconnect from “the grid” by throwing away their cell phone. But, the direction these new monitoring technologies are moving coupled with continued government expansion of surveillance suggests that microchip RFID technology will eventually be non-voluntary.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Michael Snyder of The Truth Wins asks "What will you do when you can no longer buy or sell without submitting to biometric identification?"[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This technology is going to keep spreading, and it is going to become harder and harder to avoid it. And it is easy to imagine what a tyrannical government could do with this kind of technology. If it wanted to, it could use it to literally track the movements and behavior of everyone[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]And one day, this kind of technology will likely be so pervasive that you won’t be able to open a bank account, get a credit card or even buy anything without having either your hand or your face scanned first.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It’s difficult to imagine a populace that will freely submit to such digital bondage. But as has been the case with the degradation of personal privacy and rights in America, be assured it won’t simply become law over night.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]First, the technologies will need to be generally accepted by society. It’ll start with real-time consumer based products like Google Glass. The older generations may reject it, but in a couple of years you can bet that tens of millions of kids, teens and younger adults will be roaming the streets while sporting cool shades, interactive web surfing and the capability to record everything around them and upload it to the internet instantly.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Next, as we’re already seeing from early adopters, RFID chips will be voluntarily implanted under our skin for everything from access to high security buildings to grocery store purchases. Eventually, once the concept is generally accepted by the majority, it will become our new “social security number.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]To gain access to official services, you’ll need to be a verified human. Without verification you won’t even be able to purchase a six pack of beer, let alone get medical care or a driver’s license.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Whether we like it or not this is the future. Every purchase you make and every step you take will be tracked by a tiny 15-digit passive microchip, meaning that the only way to “turn it off” will be to physically remove it from your body.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In essence, we’ll soon live in a world of Always On Monitoring. Our children and grandchildren – at least most of them – will likely not only submit to implantation, they’ll gladly pay the costs so that they, too, can “interact with society in a meaningful way.” source - SHTF Plan
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I can't believe this is where the world is headed. It's saddening to see people so blindly hand over their rights and privacy. The government has done an excellent job at brainwashing the masses. Not only will these chips be able to track people, I'm sure they also have the power to control the people as their personal slaves.

I love how they candy coat their lies with "It will help you" and "It's so convenient". Makes me gag. Like right now they're wanting to implant soldiers with chips for 'health' purposes.
 
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Our free will is being questioned by monitoring predictable motives, actions, and repetitions. Just great... I hope the people predicting our existence are thrilled to know the one thing NFS is tinfoil hats. Just don't look away from the truth and you probably already have one on.
 

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maybe one day...maybe people will realize that random rfid chips arent the mark of the beast and it will be far more obvious...
 
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If it is not the RFID then what is it? Clearly the only alternative is the islamic band on the forehead or right arm, but the microchip plus world government plus world leader suggests otherwise.
 
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Chips may not be the mark, but they could be.

We have been giving our freedoms over to the government since FDR. Nothing new there.

You have a social security number, a debit card, a license number, an address and a cell phone, all used to track you.

There are cameras everywhere, not just traffic and security cams but every cell phone is one too.

Internet, nuff said.

All that has to be done is a tat, tech isn't even needed for the mark with all these other ways to track you.
 
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maybe one day...maybe people will realize that random rfid chips arent the mark of the beast and it will be far more obvious...
Such as ? ........................
 
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Chips may not be the mark, but they could be.

We have been giving our freedoms over to the government since FDR. Nothing new there.

You have a social security number, a debit card, a license number, an address and a cell phone, all used to track you.

There are cameras everywhere, not just traffic and security cams but every cell phone is one too.

Internet, nuff said.

All that has to be done is a tat, tech isn't even needed for the mark with all these other ways to track you.
Don't forget the cars have tracking devices also.
I believe we are so very close. I believe the Word when it says
Right hand or forehead. I do not know why it must be those places. Do you ?
I have believed and pray we are taken out of this world before, but not totally
convinced. Is that wrong of me ?
For instance, say in a month we are no longer able to get our money out of
the bank, buy gas, groceries, medicine. If Jesus doesn't rapture us out before
we know the consequences and must be willing to give our life for Him rather
than take the mark.
 
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Couple of updates to this article.
The company is no longer called verichip it is now PositiveID Corporation



I looked up your link: Read it here.

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April 14, 2014


God takes the Mark of the Beast very seriously. Revelation 14:11 warns that everyone who takes it will go to Hell. It is risky to assume God only cares about 100% of the Mark, and will not judge Christian voters who are part of the tsunami of popular opinion which forces candidates to promise only 80 or 90% of it. Especially since there are enough questions about what it will be to make unclear exactly where any such threshold is.

One way to identify it is that without it, “no man might buy or sell”. Revelation 13:17. That is virtually the case in states where “no man” can get a job without being checked by E-verify. Republicans are determined to mandate it nationally, and Democrats are agreeable. The companion Real ID Act is already starting to keep people who will not submit from opening bank accounts, along with keeping us off planes and out of federal buildings. E-verify doesn’t involve a card like Real ID does. But both generate the same national super database.

Few connect E-verify with the Mark of the Beast, for several reasons. One is that it does not involve an implantable chip, which it is popularly assumed the Mark will be. But Revelation 13:16 says the Mark will be “in their right hand, or in their foreheads”, and a chip needs to be surrounded by flesh, not next to bone, which rules out foreheads.

Another reason few associate E-verify with the Mark of the Beast is that the Mark will be “in” (KJV) or “on” (modern translations) the forehead and right hand. (“Epi” is the Greek word.) Thus national databases, which are merely based uponfacial recognition photos and right hand fingerprints, are considered safe from God’s judgment.

But the Arndt-Gingrich Greek-English Lexicon points out that God has used the Greek word “epi” to mean “based upon”: "on the basis of. epi duo e trion marturon on the evidence of two or three witnesses 1 Ti 5:19." Another verse with this usage is Matthew 4:4. "...Man shall not live by bread alone, but by [Gr. epi, on the basis of, or by the power of, or enabled by] every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God".

“Forehead” is generally defined as only the part of the face from the eyebrows to the hairline. But AG gives an example from classical Greek literature where a woman is veiled "up to the metopon" (the Greek word in Revelation). The “metopon” therefore has to at least include the eyes, and the space between the eyes. The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon agrees, defining the “forehead” of Revelation as “The space between the eyes, forehead.” This matters because “The region where eyes, nose and forehead intersect is ‘probably the most focused-on area in facial recognition’.”

We don’t know how much face recognition will evolve. It could incorporate iris scans, which can already be taken from "a few meters away”. (It already incorporates Surface Texture Analysis, developed by Identix, which photographs a patch of skin – such as on the forehead – and records “any lines, pores and the actual skin texture....It can identify differences between identical twins.” Cameras are already a good enough to identify people reflected in someone else’s eyes.
Another reason every step we have taken so far towards the Mark has widely been considered judgment-safe is that Revelation says the mature Mark will involve “worship” of the beast. It is assumed Revelation warns only against the “religious worship” described in 2 Thessalonians 2:4. But Albert Barnes’ Notes on the Bible, commenting on Revelation 13:4, suggests the Revelation 14:9, 11 warning may be broader than that:

The word “worship” roskuneō - is not always, however, used in a religious sense. It means, properly, “to kiss”; to kiss toward anyone; that is, to kiss his own hand and to extend it toward a person, in token of respect and homage [to a civil authority]. [Regarding the same word in Matthew 2:2, Barnes says the Wise Men] came to honor him as a Prince, or a king, not as God. The original word implies no more than this.

We can’t know yet if the technology we already have is what John foresaw. But it comes close enough to satisfying his verbal description that we should not consider voters' calls for more of it to be judgment-safe. God warns us to “resist the devil”, James 4:7; not see how close we can bring America under the devil’s reign and still escape Hell ourselves.

More details:
Strong’s Concordance (G3359, G3326, G4383) backs up NAS’s definition of the Revelation “forehead” as “the space between the eyes” by noting that “metopon” combines the two words meta=amid, or in proximity to; and ops=visage, which means face. Note about the three Strong’s numbers given: G3359 is the definition of “forehead”. It says the word is made up of two words: G3326, whose meanings include “amid” and “proximity”, and “ops”, a word not found in the Bible so it is assigned no Strong’s number. But G4383, the word for “face”, gives the meaning of “ops” as “the visage”. “Ops” is only two letters in Greek: Omega and Psi.

The link backing up my statement that the chip’s placement is “...not next to bone....” says: "...the uses of biochips in humans and other animals for identification purposes do not involve implanting such chips in the head or the hands. The preferred location for such chips is an out-of-the-way fleshy area that will allow for tissue to bond the chip and lessen the possibility of any irritation or discomfort to the host, making the head and hands (too bony and exposed) non-ideal for such purposes. The recommended implantation location for biochips is between the shoulderblades, towards the back of the upper arm (or on the back between the front legs of a dog or cat).
Snopes’ statement that the chip isn’t implanted in hands is of course wrong, but the statement is based on the photo of chip placement in the palm of the hand between the bones of the index and long fingers, which accompanied the particular video they were debunking. Snopes didn’t give a source for this claim.

Here is a<A HREF="http://www.rfidtoys.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=796&title=would-an-imp... discussion</A> between do-it-yourself implanters about the best place to implant. They tell the hazards of putting it in the wrist: too likely to smack it on something and shatter the glass! There is enough flesh to keep it safe on the forearm near the elbow, but there it is awkward to use! That leaves the webbing between thumb and index finger, but not too near the index finger in case of impact. Besides this confirmation, we have the fact that the hand webbing is the only place we see it implanted.

It would be nice to get confirmation from “the Horse’s Mouth”, as was possible when Verichip advertised freely. PositiveID is the only place still manufacturing it, now called the GlucoChip for diabetics sufferers, and their page about it doesn’t give much information.

PositiveID Corporation
 
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Hmm I just noticed parts of my post was cut off.
Several states have banned forced chip implants.
And I forget what else I had said...
Oh the one site healthlink that the commercial was on is no longer held by verichip company.
 

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It is quite possible, though I think they will need to increase the security on the chips before embedding (unless they enjoy hyper-identity theft). It is currently possible to hack RFID with a fairly considerable distance with both read and write permissions.

On a related note RFID are already being rolled out for identification purposes, just not implanted (yet). From Enhanced Drivers Licenses, to passports, to company badges.

This is a considerable violation of privacy and security.
https://www.eff.org/issues/rfid
https://epic.org/privacy/rfid/

"Enhanced Driver's License and ID Card Security Feature - RFID Chip. Your enhanced driver's license or state identification card contains a Radio Frequency Identification chip to facilitate border crossings and homeland security efforts." -- Source: Michigan.gov SOS - Enhanced License Security Feature/RFID chip

They want to expand this database to support a HUGE amount of other data in a centralized way. See Also:
Are You Ready for a Driver’s License for the Internet?

Ron Paul: "If You Like The Surveillance State, You’ll Love E-Verify" | Zero Hedge
 
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Hmm I just noticed parts of my post was cut off.
Several states have banned forced chip implants.
And I forget what else I had said...
Oh the one site healthlink that the commercial was on is no longer held by verichip company.
When I went back up to read it after bringing it over I had same thing
happen. It all did not come with it. That is cyber world at its best.
 
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Meh scientists say tons of crap that isn't true every single day.

Way I see it the RFID chip is pretty avoidable. Simply don't get one implanted into your body lol.

As far as RFID chip being the mark of the beast, I highly doubt that. Though it is pretty accurate to say that RFID chip is physically harmful to the body and that is reason enough to not trust it.
 
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J-Kay-2

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Meh scientists say tons of crap that isn't true every single day.

Way I see it the RFID chip is pretty avoidable. Simply don't get one implanted into your body lol.

As far as RFID chip being the mark of the beast, I highly doubt that. Though it is pretty accurate to say that RFID chip is physically harmful to the body and that is reason enough to not trust it.

Are you saying you do not believe there is an anti-christ coming and we won't
need a mark of the beast ?

By that I am saying, we do know not to take the mark or otherwise we will be
sold out to anti-christ. No chance for repentance and salvation that Christ is
offering us now. Once that mark or chip is taken it is finished.

Okay, now let's go to the chip issue. Personally I don't know what to think
when it comes to the so called chip size of grain of rice (?) being implanted.
Is that it or not ? I tend to think it is more tattoo. Then I have heard it will
be invisible. What to think ? I don't know. I am praying to be ready for Jesus
to take the Church ( Christians) up in a Rapture. Even there I am still on the
fence. I believe in Rapture ( Pre-Trib) but I don't know if it is really going to
be. There are simply too many pros and cons being taught about it. That
being said, if there is no Pre-Trib Rapture, and we are forced to take the mark
(what ever that might be ) I know I have to give my life up for Christ. It all
comes down to that first and foremost. Does anyone have the true answer?
So many teachings. I just keep looking up and waiting and praying I might
be found faithful and fit for the Kingdom. J~K~2
 
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Are you saying you do not believe there is an anti-christ coming and we won't
need a mark of the beast ?

By that I am saying, we do know not to take the mark or otherwise we will be
sold out to anti-christ. No chance for repentance and salvation that Christ is
offering us now. Once that mark or chip is taken it is finished.

Okay, now let's go to the chip issue. Personally I don't know what to think
when it comes to the so called chip size of grain of rice (?) being implanted.
Is that it or not ? I tend to think it is more tattoo. Then I have heard it will
be invisible. What to think ? I don't know. I am praying to be ready for Jesus
to take the Church ( Christians) up in a Rapture. Even there I am still on the
fence. I believe in Rapture ( Pre-Trib) but I don't know if it is really going to
be. There are simply too many pros and cons being taught about it. That
being said, if there is no Pre-Trib Rapture, and we are forced to take the mark
(what ever that might be ) I know I have to give my life up for Christ. It all
comes down to that first and foremost. Does anyone have the true answer?
So many teachings. I just keep looking up and waiting and praying I might
be found faithful and fit for the Kingdom. J~K~2
I do believe the prophecies of the Revelation of John. Therefore yes, I do believe one day maybe in my lifetime or many many years after my lifetime the 2nd Beast will arise and cause many to accept the Mark of the Beast.

I do not believe the RFID Chip is the mark of the beast. Though I do believe the RFID chip is unhealthy to the body. Which I believe is reason enough to avoid the RFID chip without getting too paranoid over it.

As far as my understanding of eschatology, lol maybe that's best saved for another topic.
 
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Chip tech isn't the sign of end times but Obamacare certainly was.

Nothing has more infringements on our freedoms than this one legislation. You can compile all of the chip tech together and it would not have the singular impact this abomination of legislation has had.
 
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Chip tech isn't the sign of end times but Obamacare certainly was.

Nothing has more infringements on our freedoms than this one legislation. You can compile all of the chip tech together and it would not have the singular impact this abomination of legislation has had.
Lol, I wonder if Obamacare will cover chip implants lol.

Jokes aside though, I am against much of Obamacare myself, but I don't think its entirely as bad as some make it sound. Main things I have against Obamacare is the Mandate. The thing I like best about Obamacare is now people with pre-existing conditions can get healthcare without being bankrupted. I do think universal healthcare is a noble ideal that a well developed nation like America should strive towards. However, I do agree, Obamacare is not the way to go about it.

Lol however SonInMe, maybe you shouldn't be too miffed at Obamacare, that woeful legislation might be the key to getting your GOP back in the White House (granted the mighty Hillary Clinton does not run for office in 2016.)
 

Nautilus

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yep obamacare in this one country...clearly signals the approaching end times for the entire world...