Jewish Woman Recreating Temple Veil

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Ella85

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crossnote

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In the article,

"The weavers themselves believe that by getting involved in such a holy activity they are hastening the time of Israel's redemption."

I guess that's one way of looking at it as long as one sees before their national redemption, they are going to go through one big ringer.
 

Drett

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I don't believe God redeems due to curtain making ability.
 

TheAristocat

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WOW!!!!

If this isn't the coming then I don't know what is!

Jewish Women Recreating Temple Veil - Israel Today | Israel News


Exodus 26:31
"Make a curtain of blue, purple and scarlet yarn and finely twisted linen, with cherubim woven into it by a skilled worker.


Hebrews 9:3
Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place,

Mark 15:38
The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.
This has been going on for some time now. Not specifically the making of the temple veil, but...

https://www.templeinstitute.org/

I've heard a lot of money has been gathered for the rebuilding of the third temple. And most if not all of the articles for the temple service have been reproduced. They've been working on breeding a suitable red heifer whose ashes are to be used in ritual purification, which is a necessity for those serving in the temple (Numbers 19). And only recently have found one. There's also been word that they've been training individuals, with a recognized lineage from the tribe of Levi, to serve as priests. The only thing that will not be reproduced is the ark.

Personally I'm fine with the endeavor. To me rebuilding the temple isn't a problem. Rather, it's how they use and administer it after it's rebuilt.
 

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We know the end result of the Third Temple..the only Temple not ordained by the Lord...

Matthew 24:15-22 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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This has been going on for some time now. Not specifically the making of the temple veil, but...

https://www.templeinstitute.org/

I've heard a lot of money has been gathered for the rebuilding of the third temple. And most if not all of the articles for the temple service have been reproduced. They've been working on breeding a suitable red heifer whose ashes are to be used in ritual purification, which is a necessity for those serving in the temple (Numbers 19). And only recently have found one. There's also been word that they've been training individuals, with a recognized lineage from the tribe of Levi, to serve as priests. The only thing that will not be reproduced is the ark.

Personally I'm fine with the endeavor. To me rebuilding the temple isn't a problem. Rather, it's how they use and administer it after it's rebuilt.
every time this issue comes up i always need to point out that this 'temple institute' is a fringe group and does not have the support of mainstream rabbinic authorities...

mainstream judaism has traditionally taught that the messiah is the one who will rebuild the temple...and that attempts to rebuild it before the coming of the messiah are misguided at best...and possibly desecrations of the temple mount at worst...
 

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Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
Amo 5:19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
Amo 5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
Amo 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
Amo 5:22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
Amo 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.
Amo 5:24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream.
Amo 5:25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
Amo 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
Amo 5:27 Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.


Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
Joe 2:2
A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
Joe 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
Joe 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.
Joe 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
Joe 2:6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.
Joe 2:7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:
Joe 2:8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.
Joe 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Joe 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Joe 2:12 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:
Joe 2:13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.
Joe 2:14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God?
Joe 2:15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:
Joe 2:16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.
Joe 2:17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

Hmmmm ......... Im starting to wonder if they've thought this all the way through?
Isa 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
Isa 13:7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
Isa 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.
Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Zep 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
Zep 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.
Zep 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.
 

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every time this issue comes up i always need to point out that this 'temple institute' is a fringe group and does not have the support of mainstream rabbinic authorities...

mainstream judaism has traditionally taught that the messiah is the one who will rebuild the temple...and that attempts to rebuild it before the coming of the messiah are misguided at best...and possibly desecrations of the temple mount at worst...
That I do understand. The unbelieving Jews in large part have many convoluted ideas about Scripture. If my memory serves correct, it was Rabbinic Judaism that was initially against the reestablishing of a Jewish state. Now that there is one they don't want it around, because they think the Messiah can't come to set up a kingdom when it's already been set up by ordinary men. But I think we understand the Bible in a different light. Anyone who shirks their responsibility to God is falling down on the job - whether or not God has said in the future he, himself, would fulfill that responsibility. Obviously something cannot occur unless God either lets it happen or wills it. But that's not to say that it is within God's will that something not take place.

Rabbinic Judaism has an obligation to God that they have just shrugged off onto God, because of some convoluted idea of future prophecy. It's like their idea of God is as saying, "In the last days I'll reestablish a temple, because no man will obey his obligation to reestablish it in my name." And then the Rabbinic Jews say, "We better not reestablish a temple! Because prophecy shows us that God will do it!" Isn't this admonition of the Rabbinic Jews putting them in the same category of those who sin against God? I really see no logic in the way they think.

In the very least they could say, "We should do everything within human power to fulfill our obligations to God. And if we fail, then we are not to blame. It is simply prophecy being fulfilled."
 
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That I do understand. The unbelieving Jews in large part have many convoluted ideas about Scripture. If my memory serves correct, it was Rabbinic Judaism that was initially against the reestablishing of a Jewish state. Now that there is one they don't want it around, because they think the Messiah can't come to set up a kingdom when it's already been set up by ordinary men. But I think we understand the Bible in a different light. Anyone who shirks their responsibility to God is falling down on the job - whether or not God has said in the future he, himself, would fulfill that responsibility. Obviously something cannot occur unless God either lets it happen or wills it. But that's not to say that it is within God's will that something not take place.

Rabbinic Judaism has an obligation to God that they have just shrugged off onto God, because of some convoluted idea of future prophecy. It's like their idea of God is as saying, "In the last days I'll reestablish a temple, because no man will obey his obligation to reestablish it in my name." And then the Rabbinic Jews say, "We better not reestablish a temple! Because prophecy shows us that God will do it!" Isn't this admonition of the Rabbinic Jews putting them in the same category of those who sin against God? I really see no logic in the way they think.

In the very least they could say, "We should do everything within human power to fulfill our obligations to God. And if we fail, then we are not to blame. It is simply prophecy being fulfilled."
my point was that as long as this is just a fringe movement...it is not going to happen...
 
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mainstream judaism has traditionally taught that the messiah is the one who will rebuild the temple..
They're getting warmer...

Eph 2

19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,[d] but you are fellow citizens with the saints andmembers of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by[e] the Spirit.
1 Cor 3

16 Do you not know that you[b] are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
2 Cor 6

16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,
Rev 21
22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.
 

p_rehbein

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Does Scripture not say that the "veil" still exists? Does it NOT still COVER the hearts of those who deny Christ?

Seems like Paul spoke of this..............