2% of Priests are Paedophiles

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didymos

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'Pope Francis has been quoted as saying that reliable data indicates that
"about 2%" of clergy in the Catholic Church are paedophiles.

The Pope said that abuse of children was like "leprosy" infecting the Church, according to the Italian La Repubblica newspaper. He vowed to "confront it with the severity it demands". But a Vatican spokesman said the quotes in the newspaper did not correspond to Pope Francis's exact words.'

Source:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28282050

Me thinks that 2% is a pretty low estimate. :rolleyes:



 
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You know what blows my mind about this.....Paul and his letters to Timothy...the time when they will not allow to MARRY.....this is what you get when you don't allow men to marry and have normal BIBLICAL RELATIONSHIPS......

What part doesn't the Catholic Kingship understand about...THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE?
 
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didymos

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You know what blows my mind about this.....Paul and his letters to Timothy...the time when they will not allow to MARRY.....this is what you get when you don't allow men to marry and have normal BIBLICAL RELATIONSHIPS......

What part doesn't the Catholic Kingship understand about...THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE?
'But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry,
for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.'

(1 Corinthians 7:9 / NIV)
 

skipp

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I do think the biggest problem is the ban on Catholic clergy marrying, which as everyone above has mentioned is completely unbiblical. Clergy in the early church could marry and the rules only changed because they were having problems with the sons of clergy inheriting their father's position.
 
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I don't think being deprived of having sex with a woman makes you a pedophile or gay. Being a pedophile makes you a pedophile. Wives find out all the time that their husbands are pedophiles.

I think pedophilia is a sickness driven by demons. Also, this isn't a "catholic" problem. Surely people don't think Christian pastors are immune to this kind of sin :confused:
 
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You do realize that the celibacy of priests is not Catholic dogma or doctrine. It was an administrative economic decision that has been held for about 900 years.
 

Atwood

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You do realize that the celibacy of priests is not Catholic dogma or doctrine. It was an administrative economic decision that has been held for about 900 years.
Yes, I am aware of that. Also that Peter had a wife. And that elders/bishops have the qualification of being the husband of one wife with children who are faithful.

IMHO:
It is interesting how the huge papal organization is destroying itself with this celibacy imposition. It is a cover for sodomists and a sin against 1 Cor 7:1-2. The command is that every man should have his own wife, lest there be fornication. The exception is if someone has a spiritual gift for celibacy or there is a big persecution arising.

It looks to me like someone decided that having sex was itself a sin and relegated a Christian to 2nd class status. Was this Augustine's fault?

As to the celibacy of priests, that is also nonsense since all Christians are priests, and in the NT there is no special class of priests. The idea that priests are needed to conduct cannibalistic sacrifices in masses is an abomination. There are no "masses" in the Bible. Hebrews is clearly against such a practice; it is pagan idolatry to worship a piece of bread.

One thing that should seem obvious to anyone who reads the NT is how foreign the papal operation is to the NT.
 

Atwood

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I don't think being deprived of having sex with a woman makes you a pedophile or gay. Being a pedophile makes you a pedophile. Wives find out all the time that their husbands are pedophiles.

I think pedophilia is a sickness driven by demons. Also, this isn't a "catholic" problem. Surely people don't think Christian pastors are immune to this kind of sin :confused:
It certainly is a papist problem. Whether or not others are involved in pederasty does not remove one whit of the papist problem. The papist problem is international -- not just an isolated case or two here or there. It is just common sense to see the connection with force celibacy. 1 Cor 7:1-2 orders men to get married to avoid fornication. 1 Cor 7 is proven in history.
 

Atwood

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Pedophile is the popular term, but the more accurate term is pederasty. (Phil- fond of, love, friend); er- = sexual enamoration including lust, and acting out on lust. The villains are pederasts.

I have no idea how they came up with the 2 percent. Did the pope pole his "priests"? How would anyone know the percent? I suppose the pope might order his confessors to turn in stats weekly:
1) murders confessed,
2) children raped confessed,
3) halitosis confessed.
etc.
 

skipp

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You do realize that the celibacy of priests is not Catholic dogma or doctrine. It was an administrative economic decision that has been held for about 900 years.
If it's just an administrative economic decision then you would think it would be quite easy for them to do away with it. Why cling to it when it's not doctrine or dogma? There's no reason to cling to such an unbiblical practice.
 
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If it's just an administrative economic decision then you would think it would be quite easy for them to do away with it. Why cling to it when it's not doctrine or dogma? There's no reason to cling to such an unbiblical practice.
Celibacy is hardly unbiblical. As for why not get rid of it is that the problem still exists. It comes down to two major problems, wnat happens should the priest die and what happens should the priest's spouse leave/die, especially should that priest become a Bishop?
1. The Problem of the Mance and Inheritence
The Catholic Church provides not only a stipend, but also a house for the priest to reside. Should the priest die, how can the Church in good conscience cast out the now widowed wife? In response, if the wife was allowed to stay, should the Church have to buy the supplies and property for another house? Also, if the wife was allowed to stay, does she inherit the house or does she now need to pay monthly rent on the house, since it is the Church's property?

2. The Problem of Annulment or being Widowed
The Catholic Church does not recognize divorce, except in a very few cases. However, there is such a thing as an annulment, the argument that the marriage was never valid due to religious or moral reasons, such as mental immaturity, discovered incest, or the inability to marry (such as bigamy). If the priest gets his marriage annulled, then there is no problem. However, should the priest be divorced due to adultery on the part of the wife, and should that same priest fall in love and be remarried, according to a literal understanding of Scripture, that priest can never be a Bishop. The same comes in should the wife die.

Now, the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Church debated these issues, until it became suggested in the 900s AD that priests remain celibate. In the 1000s AD, the Eastern Orthodox split from the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox decided that priests can marry, but never remarry due to problem 2. Their answer to problem 1 was to separate the mance from the priest's residence. The Priest would reside in a small room within the Church, while his family would reside in the mance. Should the priest die, the mance would be given to the priest's family in honor of the priest's service, but allowing a new priest to live in the small room.

In the 1100s AD, the Roman Catholic Church decided to enforce celibacy on all new incoming priests in order to deal with these problems, since due to the multiple sovereignties, such as England, France, and the Holy Roman Empire, having their own peculiar laws on inheritance caused a massive problem of nations disinheriting widows or taxing Church property. One such example took place in England in the late 1000 AD, when a priest who served in Wales died. His wife was allowed by the local Bishop to stay in the house provided by the Church. However, when the widow had created a massive debt to her local lord, the lord confiscated her house in lieu of debt. The Church intervened due to the fact that the local lord could not confiscate the house because it was not hers, but the Church's. The local lord brought forth a lawsuit that went all the way to Vatican, where after a serious amount of time, the reigning Pontiff decided to just pay the woman's debt out of the Vatican bank. This is but one example of MANY that caused the Church to finally decide that priests should remain celibate.

Pope Francis has said on more than two occasions now that the Church must revisit the issue, since modern law is far different than it once was.
 
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Pedophile is the popular term, but the more accurate term is pederasty. (Phil- fond of, love, friend); er- = sexual enamoration including lust, and acting out on lust. The villains are pederasts.

I have no idea how they came up with the 2 percent. Did the pope pole his "priests"? How would anyone know the percent? I suppose the pope might order his confessors to turn in stats weekly:
1) murders confessed,
2) children raped confessed,
3) halitosis confessed.
etc.
First, the 2% statistic came from both the United Nations and the Vatican after a thorough study of reports and inside documentation that the Church handed over in 2003.

Second, the seal of the confessional cannot be broken. At no point can a confessor say what was spoken or confessed within the Sacrament of Penance. If the confessor breaks this rule, he is immediately defrocked, excommunicated, and often left destitute. Almost every nation in the Western World has laws that state that a Confessor cannot be compelled to say what he was told by anyone who has confessed. So, the data did not come from there.
 
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Yes, I am aware of that. Also that Peter had a wife. And that elders/bishops have the qualification of being the husband of one wife with children who are faithful.

IMHO:
It is interesting how the huge papal organization is destroying itself with this celibacy imposition. It is a cover for sodomists and a sin against 1 Cor 7:1-2. The command is that every man should have his own wife, lest there be fornication. The exception is if someone has a spiritual gift for celibacy or there is a big persecution arising.

It looks to me like someone decided that having sex was itself a sin and relegated a Christian to 2nd class status. Was this Augustine's fault?

As to the celibacy of priests, that is also nonsense since all Christians are priests, and in the NT there is no special class of priests. The idea that priests are needed to conduct cannibalistic sacrifices in masses is an abomination. There are no "masses" in the Bible. Hebrews is clearly against such a practice; it is pagan idolatry to worship a piece of bread.

One thing that should seem obvious to anyone who reads the NT is how foreign the papal operation is to the NT.
Actually, if you read the verse, it does not say that a Bishop must be married, but that he only have ONE WIFE. The Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Coptics, the Methodist Church, and the Anglican Communion have all taught that this is point about Monogamy AND that a Bishop cannot have been married twice.
 
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It certainly is a papist problem. Whether or not others are involved in pederasty does not remove one whit of the papist problem. The papist problem is international -- not just an isolated case or two here or there. It is just common sense to see the connection with force celibacy. 1 Cor 7:1-2 orders men to get married to avoid fornication. 1 Cor 7 is proven in history.
Problem here is that the molestation scandal took place in the United States, Canada, Ireland, England, Scotland, and France during the late 1950s to the late 1970s. There has been no uptick or any other evidence to show that the scandal continues or went into the 1980s.

Also, there is no correlation between being deprived of sex and molesting children. Not a single study has every shown it. Its nothing more than the musings of a mad man, IN MY HONEST OPINION.
 

SparkleEyes

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You do realize that the celibacy of priests is not Catholic dogma or doctrine. It was an administrative economic decision that has been held for about 900 years.
I don't know if I understand what you are saying....How could it not be one of their doctrinal items if it is something they have decreed as a rule that their priests must follow. So, I contend that it IS an administrative economic decision that became Catholic dogma and doctrine because it benefitted the Catholic church.
 
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I don't know if I understand what you are saying....How could it not be one of their doctrinal items if it is something they have decreed as a rule that their priests must follow. So, I contend that it IS an administrative economic decision that became Catholic dogma and doctrine because it benefitted the Catholic church.
No, you are speaking out of ignorance here. You obviously don't understand the words dogma or doctrine. Celibacy is not an infallible religious or moral teaching. As I said, Pope Francis has said on at least two occeasions that it is time to revisit the issue.
 
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You know what blows my mind about this.....Paul and his letters to Timothy...the time when they will not allow to MARRY.....this is what you get when you don't allow men to marry and have normal BIBLICAL RELATIONSHIPS......

What part doesn't the Catholic Kingship understand about...THE HUSBAND OF ONE WIFE?
Pedophilia is not caused by not having sex. Plenty of pedophiles are married and have kids. If 2% of priests are pedophiles, then that is half the number of the general male population, which is 4%.
 
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'But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry,
for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.'

(1 Corinthians 7:9 / NIV)
And if that is the case the man may leave seminary as many do and pursue marriage. Paul also teaches that celibacy is a good thing which protestantism seems to not only forget but reject.
 
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I do think the biggest problem is the ban on Catholic clergy marrying, which as everyone above has mentioned is completely unbiblical. Clergy in the early church could marry and the rules only changed because they were having problems with the sons of clergy inheriting their father's position.
Celibacy is biblical. There is no 'ban' on priests marrying. Men who are seeking ordination make a vow or promise of celibacy freely.

In the early Church, generally clergy did not marry. Married men became clergy, but clergy did not get married once clergy. Once you were ordained, you did not marry again or ever. Celibacy became the norm in the west because many became priests earlier and earlier, before they were married.
 
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I don't think being deprived of having sex with a woman makes you a pedophile or gay. Being a pedophile makes you a pedophile. Wives find out all the time that their husbands are pedophiles.

I think pedophilia is a sickness driven by demons. Also, this isn't a "catholic" problem. Surely people don't think Christian pastors are immune to this kind of sin :confused:
I have know many protestant and Catholic pastors and the only pedophiles I knew of were protestant. So yes, it is a problem for all groups. Pedophilia is more rampant than people would like to accept.