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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert

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Isaiah 1 New International Version (NIV)1 The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
[h=3]A Rebellious Nation[/h][SUP]2 [/SUP]Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The ox knows its master,
the donkey its owner’s manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with olive oil.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Your country is desolate,
your cities burned with fire;
your fields are being stripped by foreigners
right before you,
laid waste as when overthrown by strangers.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Daughter Zion is left
like a shelter in a vineyard,
like a hut in a cucumber field,
like a city under siege.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us some survivors,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the instruction of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?” says the Lord.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,
this trampling of my courts?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.

Your hands are full of blood!

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.[SUP][a][/SUP]
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]See how the faithful city
has become a prostitute!
She once was full of justice;
righteousness used to dwell in her—
but now murderers!
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Your silver has become dross,
your choice wine is diluted with water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Your rulers are rebels,
partners with thieves;
they all love bribes
and chase after gifts.
They do not defend the cause of the fatherless;
the widow’s case does not come before them.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord, the Lord Almighty,
the Mighty One of Israel, declares:
“Ah! I will vent my wrath on my foes
and avenge myself on my enemies.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I will turn my hand against you;[SUP][b][/SUP]
I will thoroughly purge away your dross
and remove all your impurities.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]I will restore your leaders as in days of old,
your rulers as at the beginning.
Afterward you will be called
the City of Righteousness,
the Faithful City.”

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Zion will be delivered with justice,
her penitent ones with righteousness.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]But rebels and sinners will both be broken,
and those who forsake the Lord will perish.

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“You will be ashamed because of the sacred oaks
in which you have delighted;
you will be disgraced because of the gardens
that you have chosen.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]You will be like an oak with fading leaves,
like a garden without water.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The mighty man will become tinder
and his work a spark;
both will burn together,
with no one to quench the fire.”
 
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert

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I tried to warn you all! :)
You sit in the seat of mockers. You are a whitewashed tomb, a pharasee, a viper. Your heart is hardened to the kingdom of God.

I bet you have stored your treasures here on earth.

Do you not know that Christians are to be aliens on earth? We are ambassadors of Christ with no country of our own.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Because God does. Oh, you forgot about that.

Nice bit of myopic ad hominem one dimensional screed you posted against Israel. I might dissect it and show you how wrong you are if I get the time this week.

One wonders why anyone who calls themselves a Christian would be obsessed with joining the devil to seek the destruction of the state of Israel whose reemergence is in line with God's prophetic will.

It doesn't dumbfound me, however. I understand you just fine.


I have no idea why evangelical Christians today support Israel. It dumbfounds me. It is as if you don't know the word of God.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Nice to see someone had the time to scratch the surface. I've already found many more false assertions and lies from this false "voice in the desert."


for those who aren't hopelessly misinformed already...here are some factual errors in this thread's initial post...

many of the inhabitants of canaan were not nomadic...canaan had numerous large permanent cities...complete with urban economies...

'baal' is not the same as saturn or remphan...and 'lucifer' is -latin- and nobody in those days spoke latin...let alone worshipped anyone under a latin name such as 'lucifer'...

kabbalah appeared in the middle ages...not in the solomonic era... and furthermore kabbalah is not a 'book' but a whole collection of mystical teachings spread throughout many medieval texts...the primary book of kabbalistic teachings is the zohar...

the people of the northern kingdom of israel were deported to assyria in eighth century BC and vanished from history...the people of the southern kingdom of judah did not merely 'survive under occupation' but were similarly exiled to babylonia in the sixth century BC...and they began to return after about seventy years in exile...

the talmud was not written during the babylonian exile...which happened during the sixth century BC... the mishnah was compiled around AD 200 in galilee...the gemara portion of the 'jerusalem talmud' was completed in galilee by AD 400...and the babylonian talmud was largely completed in babylonia around AD 500...with some additions likely dating to the middle ages...

the classification of 'true torah jews' and 'pagan jews who follow the babylonian talmud and the kabbalah' is inaccurate...there are many talmud adherent jews who regard kabbalah as useless or even forbidden nonsense...

there is no scriptural evidence that salome's dance was a 'dance of the seven veils'...that is simply a fiction introduced into christian tradition later on...

warfare has actually been a pretty frequent occurrence in palestine over the past 2,000 years...for example the samaritan revolts of the sixth century...which were brutally put down of the byzantine empire... warfare especially increased after the rise of islam...for example the initial muslim conquest in the 630s...the abbasid revolution in 750...the reconquest of the tulunids by the abbasids in 905...the persecution of the christians by the ikhshidids in the mid tenth century...the fatimid conquest in 970...the seljuq conquest in the 1073...the fatimid reconquest in 1098...the crusader conquest in 1099...saladin's conquest in 1187...numerous other attempts by crusaders to reconquer the land into the thirteenth century...the mamluk revolution in the thirteenth century...the mongol raids in the thirteenth century...the ottoman conquest in 1516...muhammad ali's invasion in 1832...the arab revolt against muhammad ali in 1834...the british intervention in favor of the ottomans in 1840...the british conquest from 1915 to 1918...and finally the arab revolts in 1920 and 1929 and 1936...

there were zionist militias in palestine prior to the arrival of menahem begin in 1942...these militias did not originate with him...

probably when the initial poster says 'true torah jews' he is referring to the karaites...if so then the reference to 'true torah jews' being especially targeted during world war ii is inaccurate...although no jews were completely safe during the war...the karaite jews fared the best...mainly due to a persistent myth that the karaites were not actually ethnic jews... moreover the karaites today tend to be moderately zionist...so the distinction between 'true torah jews' and 'zionist jews' in the initial post is a false dichotomy...

there is practically no evidence that the six pointed 'star of david' was ever associated with the planet saturn...the six pointed star was actually one of several star shaped decorative motifs that were more or less religiously neutral and universally popular in ancient times...in fact the six pointed star was sometimes used as a decoration in medieval christian churches...


in conclusion this thread gets an F in history...an F in comparative religion...and an F in biblical studies...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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Rachel, thanks so much for this history.

I was amazed that the Talmud was not written down until 200AD, for I understood that Jesus referred to it. I have read that some of the teachings of Rabbi Hillel (200BC) and Shammai born 50 BC was included.
jesus did not refer to the talmud...though he may have referred to some oral traditions that were eventually included in the talmud...

at the same time some of the pharisaical traditions addressed by jesus contradict the talmud...for example the pharisees had a problem with jesus' disciples picking grain by hand on the sabbath...but the talmud allows this...

so basically the talmud records a rabbinic tradition of judaism that developed in various stages...some of the traditions go back earlier than the time of jesus while others were invented later and even contradict the teachings of the pharisees in the time of jesus...
 

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Isaiah 1 New International Version (NIV)1 The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
[h=3]A Rebellious Nation[/h][SUP]2 [/SUP]Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!
For the Lord has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The ox knows its master,
the donkey its owner’s manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with olive oil.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Your country is desolate,
your cities burned with fire;
your fields are being stripped by foreigners
right before you,
laid waste as when overthrown by strangers.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Daughter Zion is left
like a shelter in a vineyard,
like a hut in a cucumber field,
like a city under siege.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Unless the Lord Almighty
had left us some survivors,
we would have become like Sodom,
we would have been like Gomorrah.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the instruction of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?” says the Lord.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,
this trampling of my courts?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your worthless assemblies.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals
I hate with all my being.
They have become a burden to me;
I am weary of bearing them.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.

Your hands are full of blood!

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Wash and make yourselves clean.
Take your evil deeds out of my sight;
stop doing wrong.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Learn to do right; seek justice.
Defend the oppressed.[SUP][a][/SUP]
Take up the cause of the fatherless;
plead the case of the widow.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]“Come now, let us settle the matter,”
says the Lord.
“Though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red as crimson,
they shall be like wool.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]If you are willing and obedient,
you will eat the good things of the land;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]but if you resist and rebel,
you will be devoured by the sword.”
For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]See how the faithful city
has become a prostitute!
She once was full of justice;
righteousness used to dwell in her—
but now murderers!
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Your silver has become dross,
your choice wine is diluted with water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Your rulers are rebels,
partners with thieves;
they all love bribes
and chase after gifts.
They do not defend the cause of the fatherless;
the widow’s case does not come before them.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the Lord, the Lord Almighty,
the Mighty One of Israel, declares:
“Ah! I will vent my wrath on my foes
and avenge myself on my enemies.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I will turn my hand against you;[SUP][b][/SUP]
I will thoroughly purge away your dross
and remove all your impurities.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]I will restore your leaders as in days of old,
your rulers as at the beginning.
Afterward you will be called
the City of Righteousness,
the Faithful City.”

[SUP]27 [/SUP]Zion will be delivered with justice,
her penitent ones with righteousness.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]But rebels and sinners will both be broken,
and those who forsake the Lord will perish.

[SUP]29 [/SUP]“You will be ashamed because of the sacred oaks
in which you have delighted;
you will be disgraced because of the gardens
that you have chosen.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]You will be like an oak with fading leaves,
like a garden without water.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The mighty man will become tinder
and his work a spark;
both will burn together,
with no one to quench the fire.”
you forgot to censor these two verses


26 I will restore your leaders as in days of old,
your rulers as at the beginning.
Afterward you will be called
the City of Righteousness,
the Faithful City.”

27 Zion will be delivered with justice,
her penitent ones with righteousness.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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You are wrong on everything except that Palestine has had its moments of violence sure, but it was more peaceful than what the Jews make of it today. Does that give you the right to deny Christ's and his command to love your enemy?

You twist and manipulate my words. You are a deceiver. I never said they used the word Lucifer back in Isaiah's day, nor did they use Venus. But those are the words we use today to describe Isaiah 14, when God compared Venus worship to satan worship.

I don't claim the cabbala is that old, but the students of the cabbala do. They claim it was started in Solomon's temple and hidden so as to not fall into the wrong hands. Did you know the cabbalist uses the dating system Anno Lucis (A.L.) which is the year of the light, or the false light of Lucifer.

Remphan is the six pointed star of Saturn. It says so in the bible in the book of Amos, the occultists know it when they associate Saturn with the six pointed star, Hitler was an occultist and he too attached the six pointed star to the Jews because the Cabbala relationship to it. There is full evidence to support this pagan star with Saturn.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and many other Hebrew Canaanites were nomadic. No not all Canaanites were nomadic. But being nomadic is a part of Jewish history.

The tulmud is a horrible document. It was heavily influenced in the Jewish exile into Babylon. It is filled with the abandonment of hope from God's promises. It also says that children under 10 can be sexually abused by adult men and it doesn't matter since they aren't yet old enough for it to matter.

You get the F. You are falling into self protectionism and I understand your reluctance to stop being a pharasee. But I do not understand your willingness to support murder of children in Palestine and I hope God destroys our country soon so the occupation can end.
i am responding to both this post and your previous post...which say almost the same thing...

isaiah 14 is not referring at all to venus worship...or to satan worship for that matter...since worship is not mentioned at all in the passage... the identification of satan as 'morning star' has nothing to do with venus...it actually refers to a group of angels called the 'morning stars'...as in job 38:7...of whom satan was originally a member...

about the date of the origin of kabbalah...if you aren't actually claiming something then don't post it as if it supports the rest of your claims... as it stands you posted without disclaimer something that is known to be false...

'anno lucis' comes from freemasonry...not kabbalah...and in fact freemasons disagree about what 'light' the term actually refers to...usually it is thought to refer to the first day of creation when light was created...derived from archbishop ussher's dating of the creation of the world to 4004 BC...some more outlandish theories involve supernovae or the building of the pyramids... pretty much nobody identifies the 'light' with lucifer...

amos does not say that the 'star of remphan' is a six pointed star...and there is no evidence of six pointed stars being in use among jews in the time of amos... there is also no archaeological evidence connecting six pointed star designs with ancient saturn worship...most likely the star of remphan was not a stylized star symbol at all but actually the planet saturn itself appearing in the sky...where it could be worshipped directly without the use of a symbol...

hitler was not really much of an occultist...some members of his inner circle were involved in the occult but hitler himself usually regarded it as nonsense and had little time for it... moreover hitler's choice of the star of david to identify jews was not inspired by the occult...europeans had already begun to use the star of david as an identifier for jews...most famously in seventeenth century vienna...and hitler just continued this with much more sinister intentions...

the canaanite 'baal' was associated with jupiter...not saturn...hence the later name 'jupiter belus'... saturn was identified with the canaanite 'el' and possibly also with dagon or molech...

in your original post you claimed that 'canaan is a nomadic land after the flood'...which is still incorrect...

the talmud was not developed until centuries after the babylonian exile...as i already explained...much of its original traditions date to the time after the destruction of the second temple in AD 70...

finally you began your post with an appeal to christ's command to love your enemy...and you end it by expressing your hope that God will destroy an entire country...the hypocrisy is obvious...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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God has always been on the side of the poor, oppressed, widowed and alien. God is on the side of Palestine.
God is on the side of the truth...and these litanies of misinformation you keep posting puts you on the opposite side...
 

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God is on the side of the truth...and these litanies of misinformation you keep posting puts you on the opposite side...
They are woefully ignorant of God's promises to Israel, despite Israel's rebellion against Him, ...promises that he would remove them from HIS land and scatter them to the four corners of the earth; promises that they would be hated wherever they went; promises that they would be regathered back to His Land in unbelief, promises they would suffer terrific tribulation while there, promises that they would see their Messiah and His Kingdom when they cried out in repentance to Him;...and promises of blessings who blessed them and cursing (ahem) who cursed them.
 

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It's almost impossible to not watch the whole thing isn't it. Haha.....la la lala lala la....ho hohoho la.
It's like what the heck did I just watch??? Lol
 
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Sirk

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It's like what the heck did I just watch??? Lol
It's like Mcdonalds fries and vanilla ice cream.....you shouldn't like it but you do...haha
 

Ella85

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What on earth are you talking about!! God has and always will be on the side of Israel u banana!!!
 
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It is a relief to hear you laugh, I feel as if I just fell in a mud hole! Did you read that wonderful thread that brought you close to the Lord and was full of worship and truth?
 
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert

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What on earth are you talking about!! God has and always will be on the side of Israel u banana!!!
How wrong you are! God is very much against Israel!

Yes God promised to restore his holy hill on Zion, but he has yet to do so. He will do it when he returns to judge the living and the dead. Revelations says that Jesus will restore zion and reign on earth for a thousand years with the multitude of Christians. But that is not the abomination that is Israel today!

Israel worships false gods, relies on USA for military strength rather than God, tramples on the oppressed and uses lies and deceit to steal away land that is not theirs.

The land in Israel was taken away 2700 years ago when the Jews were forced to live under occupation. God gave the land to others and gave the inheritance of Israel to Christianity, not to Jews. They are a synagogue of Satan. They kill children and do what is wicked.

Do you really believe in God? If you do then you should understand that God values justice and truth. Israel butchers Palestinians and tramples on justice. This is not from God. You Christian of little faith, if you love God you would see that a just God would never support the evil Israel we have today.

You are deceived!
 
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert

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If you trust in God, can you not believe that when he restores his holy hill on Zion it will only be done with justice.

There is no justice in Israel.