Lesbians and Crossdressers want Weddingdresses

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Christian Bridal Shop Faces Wrath of Gay Advocates for Refusing Lesbian Wedding
Because It 'Would Break God's Law'

A Christian family-owned and operated bridal shop in Pennsylvania is now facing the wrath of gay rights advocates for refusing to provide service to a lesbian couple seeking to get married because it "would break God's law. A report from PA homepage said the incident was first publicized in a Facebook post by an unidentified woman who claims the bridal shop, W.W. Bridal Boutique in Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania, denied her service because she is preparing to marry her lesbian lover.W. W. Bridal Boutique is currently open by appointments only, according to their website. In her Facebook status, the woman claims that when she tried to make an appointment, an employee at the boutique told her: "Unfortunately, she would not be able to schedule an appointment for them because they currently do not service same-sex couples – it's just not something they do." According to the AP, Victoria Miller, W.W. Bridal Boutique owner, later told The Press Enterprise of Bloomsburg that "providing those two girls dresses for a sanctified marriage would break God's law." The Bloomsburg Town Council is now mulling whether they should propose legislation that would ban businesses from refusing service to lesbians and gays in general as those actions aren't prohibited. Al Luschas, Miller's attorney told the AP that his client has a "liberty interest'' in refusing to take part in a process that would violate "firmly and honestly held religious beliefs." (...)


G. Andrea Shay says W.W. Bridal shop refused to supply dresses for her cross-dressing husband and groomsmen.

G. Andrea Shay said W.W. Bridal also refused to provide service for her and her cross-dressing husband and said management was "strange and rude." "My husband and I tried to give W. W. Bridal our business, but when the management found out that we needed to order a wedding gown for my husband, and dresses for the groomsmen, they would not allow us to order from them claiming that such a thing would 'Break God's Law.' So they do not want money from people who enjoy cross-dressing. They insisted that we 'Must be gay,' since we wear clothing of the opposite sex. Very strange and rude management," she wrote. (...)

Source: http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-bridal-shop-faces-wrath-of-gay-advocates-for-refusing-lesbian-wedding-because-it-would-break-gods-law-124786/


 
Agricola

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WOuld they sell stuff to other sinners too? I guess they do because they are in business.
 
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'other sinners' usually don't wear their 'sins' as a badge of honour.

who is to 'stand-up' for Christ and His principles of 'good and evil'?

'new-age' = all have rights and all is acceptable just doesn't cut-it
according to Scripture and for those who 'follow/practice' scripture,
and not someone else's opinion.

we have 'man's opinion - and we have 'God's Truth'....
 
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We need to evaluate this tactic to determine it's effectiveness. Selling a product to the general public is not a sin but there are certain implied consequences. I personally think there is a more effective way to witness to folks as opposed to denying them services. Wedding and funerals are both good ways to testify for the Lord. I think you can sell a dress to someone without condoning what they do with it. The sinner knows he/she's as sinner. We do not need to cast their sin up in their face. The Holy Spirit will do the convicting not our attitudes.

If a consumer wants to patronize a business establishment even when the business owner gives a testimony for Christ and clearly establishes that the patron is acting in a manner offensive to the business owner then they should be able to do so. I think if you remove the conflict and demonstrate compassion the problem resolves itself.

If you want to buy a dress, a cake or a casket even though you know that my convictions are that you are not a Christian and you are bound for an eternity in the lake of fire not because you are a Sodomite but because you reject the Christ of the bible then it's all on you.

If Christians will not help those in need then who will. Christ saved me when I was a wicked sinner. Christ though my sin was sickening in His sight loved me and received me as His own. Can I not demonstrate some of the Samaritan kindness that the world is looking for?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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oldthennew said:
'other sinners' usually don't wear their 'sins' as a badge of honour.
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You you don't have Christian men in University clubs that get drunk all the time and show off about it?

Is the owner going to conduct medical tests to see if they are alcoholics too?
 
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Sign on the door..."All profits from known same sex marriages are donated to causes which promote man woman only marriage."
 
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notuptome said:
We need to evaluate this tactic to determine it's effectiveness. Selling a product to the general public is not a sin but there are certain implied consequences. I personally think there is a more effective way to witness to folks as opposed to denying them services. Wedding and funerals are both good ways to testify for the Lord. I think you can sell a dress to someone without condoning what they do with it. The sinner knows he/she's as sinner. We do not need to cast their sin up in their face. The Holy Spirit will do the convicting not our attitudes.

If a consumer wants to patronize a business establishment even when the business owner gives a testimony for Christ and clearly establishes that the patron is acting in a manner offensive to the business owner then they should be able to do so. I think if you remove the conflict and demonstrate compassion the problem resolves itself.

If you want to buy a dress, a cake or a casket even though you know that my convictions are that you are not a Christian and you are bound for an eternity in the lake of fire not because you are a Sodomite but because you reject the Christ of the bible then it's all on you.

If Christians will not help those in need then who will. Christ saved me when I was a wicked sinner. Christ though my sin was sickening in His sight loved me and received me as His own. Can I not demonstrate some of the Samaritan kindness that the world is looking for?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Excellent Post and the correct approach because God know your heart.
 
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oldthennew said:
'other sinners' usually don't wear their 'sins' as a badge of honour.

who is to 'stand-up' for Christ and His principles of 'good and evil'?

'new-age' = all have rights and all is acceptable just doesn't cut-it
according to Scripture and for those who 'follow/practice' scripture,
and not someone else's opinion.

we have 'man's opinion - and we have 'God's Truth'....
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Selling goods to gay people isn't breaking any laws in the bible, and on a legal note, it is not a business owner's place to dictate a customer's private life, nor is what a person decides to do with the produce sold by a business - except in the case of weapons, cigarettes, alcohol or other controlled or dangerous items - ultimately any of the seller's concern. A shop owner who thinks they wield any power to refuse law-abiding citizens because of the personal choices of their private lives is delusionally self important.

The shop owner's attitude is one of much ado about nothing, and since in the eyes of the law, marriage is a legal agreement, not a religious one, and since business is a legislated practice, not a religious one, and since neither gay marriage nor cross-dressing are illegal in the relevant places, the shop owners are on thin ice, legally.

There is also absolutely no evidence to suggest refusing service to gay people will in any way influence their decision to get married or not, nor is there any tangible biblical precedent for refusing someone service. There is also the biblical saying, 'a person cannot serve both money and God', and since money, like business, is a legislated concept wherein certain laws apply, a person cannot harmoniously be bound by the legal obligations of business and simultaneously work to enforce their religious beliefs on customers. It is a conflict of interest to be bound by secular business legislation and simultaneously apply values that lie in breach of many of the business obligations to which one is bound.

One of those obligations is non-discriminatory service and overall acceptance of the legal precedents of business ownership itself.
 
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Since opening a business is automatically considered a statement of understanding of, and willing obedience to, business laws, the owners have little left to stand on. They defy their own teachings by chasing money and being willing to be bound by secular business legislation, then deny those who want to give them the money they chase by citing tenets of the very same teaching they blatantly contradict by being in secular business and chasing money in the first place.

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Esanta, In UK and EUrope we have totally different laws regarding equality and human rights than they do in USA, aparently it is ok for American businesses to reject customers for whatever reason, in UK those shop owners would have the full weight of the law thrown at them.


I think it is disgusting how homosexuals are treated by Christians. Show love and compassion, not hate. We want homosexuals to turn to God, not be driven away by rabid homophobic bigots.
 
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notuptome said:
We need to evaluate this tactic to determine it's effectiveness. Selling a product to the general public is not a sin but there are certain implied consequences. I personally think there is a more effective way to witness to folks as opposed to denying them services. Wedding and funerals are both good ways to testify for the Lord. I think you can sell a dress to someone without condoning what they do with it. The sinner knows he/she's as sinner. We do not need to cast their sin up in their face. The Holy Spirit will do the convicting not our attitudes.

If a consumer wants to patronize a business establishment even when the business owner gives a testimony for Christ and clearly establishes that the patron is acting in a manner offensive to the business owner then they should be able to do so. I think if you remove the conflict and demonstrate compassion the problem resolves itself.

If you want to buy a dress, a cake or a casket even though you know that my convictions are that you are not a Christian and you are bound for an eternity in the lake of fire not because you are a Sodomite but because you reject the Christ of the bible then it's all on you.

If Christians will not help those in need then who will. Christ saved me when I was a wicked sinner. Christ though my sin was sickening in His sight loved me and received me as His own. Can I not demonstrate some of the Samaritan kindness that the world is looking for?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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This is a very wise post and the best attitude to have about the subject.
 
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There is nothing wrong with refusing to do business with someone if their lifestyle is contrary to your beliefs. I sell chickens, eggs, fresh bee honey and firewood. Until recently a lesbian couple were one of my biggest customers for eggs and honey then one day they found out I was a Seventh Day Adventist and told me I should leave it because it was hatemongering to gay and lesbians. I then told them I wasn't going to do business with them anymore and that was that.
 
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Brandon911 said:
There is nothing wrong with refusing to do business with someone if their lifestyle is contrary to your beliefs. I sell chickens, eggs, fresh bee honey and firewood. Until recently a lesbian couple were one of my biggest customers for eggs and honey then one day they found out I was a Seventh Day Adventist and told me I should leave it because it was hatemongering to gay and lesbians. I then told them I wasn't going to do business with them anymore and that was that.
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If they come back with an attorney you will be buying chickens, eggs, honey and firewood from them. And that will be that except for the legal fees you will still owe.

For the cause of Christ
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If they come back with an attorney you will be buying chickens, eggs, honey and firewood from them. And that will be that except for the legal fees you will still owe.

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I don't see that happening
 
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Agricola said:
Esanta, In UK and EUrope we have totally different laws regarding equality and human rights than they do in USA, aparently it is ok for American businesses to reject customers for whatever reason, in UK those shop owners would have the full weight of the law thrown at them.


I think it is disgusting how homosexuals are treated by Christians. Show love and compassion, not hate. We want homosexuals to turn to God, not be driven away by rabid homophobic bigots.
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"in UK those shop owners would have the full weight of the law thrown at them."

That's why we Americans had the Revolutionary War. Americans had enough of Great Britain laws and taxes.
 
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So I have everyone's commitment that they will stop watching Fox News this very day?

Because of all the gay and lesbian stuff in 20th Century Fox films? All the filth on Family Guy??

Good.

I am glad to see.

Will Fox News have any Christian viewers left??

Oh wait...none of you are going to do that at all.... what does that make you?
 
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notuptome said:
We need to evaluate this tactic to determine it's effectiveness. Selling a product to the general public is not a sin but there are certain implied consequences. I personally think there is a more effective way to witness to folks as opposed to denying them services. Wedding and funerals are both good ways to testify for the Lord. I think you can sell a dress to someone without condoning what they do with it. The sinner knows he/she's as sinner. We do not need to cast their sin up in their face. The Holy Spirit will do the convicting not our attitudes.

If a consumer wants to patronize a business establishment even when the business owner gives a testimony for Christ and clearly establishes that the patron is acting in a manner offensive to the business owner then they should be able to do so. I think if you remove the conflict and demonstrate compassion the problem resolves itself.

If you want to buy a dress, a cake or a casket even though you know that my convictions are that you are not a Christian and you are bound for an eternity in the lake of fire not because you are a Sodomite but because you reject the Christ of the bible then it's all on you.

If Christians will not help those in need then who will. Christ saved me when I was a wicked sinner. Christ though my sin was sickening in His sight loved me and received me as His own. Can I not demonstrate some of the Samaritan kindness that the world is looking for?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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A pastor in Florida recently refused to conduct a funeral when he found out the deceased man was gay. He had initially agreeing to do so. I found it relevant since you brought up funerals.
 
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jsr1221 said:
A pastor in Florida recently refused to conduct a funeral when he found out the deceased man was gay. He had initially agreeing to do so. I found it relevant since you brought up funerals.
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Can you imagine what would have occurred if the pastor had done the funeral and preached the death, burial and resurrection of Christ? Opportunity lost.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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