Now That Obama is Fighting ISIS, is Assad His "Moderate" Muslim Ally?

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1still_waters

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One of the major critiques of Obama in Syria is that he didn't arm the moderate Muslims quick enough in order to fight Assad. As a result other extreme groups came in. The conservative National Review writes.
So actually Obama contributed to the rise of ISIS in three ways: (1) by not arming more moderate Syrian opposition groups early; (2) by not securing the Iraqi-Syrian border to guard against ISIS expansion; and (3) by withdrawing from Iraq too soon, leaving much of Iraq defenseless and Iraq’s Sunnis caught in a cross-fire.
NYT: How Obama Contributed to the Rise of ISIS | National Review Online

Of course conservatives lambasted him when he did decide to arm moderates in Syria.

A group of lawmakers, most prominently Sen. John McCain, lambasted the White House’s plan to help ‘moderate insurgents’ during a Capitol Hill hearing.

Senators blast Obama’s Syria strategy - NY Daily News

Of course we know there is no sincerity from these folks in their remarks. They're coming from an epicenter of "WAHH!! OBAMA WON..I DON'T LIKE IT."...and not an epicenter of..."What's the best choice?" Just look at how they contradict themselves.

Anyways, I have another question.

Now that Obama is fighting ISIS, is Syria's Assad the moderate ally we've been looking for?
Assad is fighting ISIS too.

So what's my point?
My point is that all arguments about arming "moderates" in Syria, and in the region are total hog wash.

Each sect is evil.
The fact that Mccain and others threw a fit about Obama finally arming "moderates" proves my point.

Instead of trying to figure out which evil sect we give guns, how about finding out ways not to give any of them guns?
 

crossnote

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I say point #3, leaving Iraq too early.
And Iran?.
 
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1still_waters

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I say point #3, leaving Iraq too early.
And Iran?.
Spending billions every year to arm and support the sect that is Shiite and pro-Iran.

Most disturbing to many American foreign policy experts, however, is Iraq's extremely close relationship with Iran. Today, the country that was formerly Iran's deadliest rival is its strongest ally.
Iraq-Iran Ties Grow Stronger As Iraq Rises From The Ashes

What could go wrong?

It's a matter of choosing which demon you want to partner with in that region of the world.
The best option is to leave the demons alone.
 

p_rehbein

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So what's my point?
My point is that all arguments about arming "moderates" in Syria, and in the region are total hog wash.

Each sect is evil.
The fact that Mccain and others threw a fit about Obama finally arming "moderates" proves my point.

Instead of trying to figure out which evil sect we give guns, how about finding out ways not to give any of them guns?

Exactly........they are ALL our enemies.......and the Government is running around arming them.....guess who they will kill with the weapons we gave them IF they get the chance.......?

Approve the Pipe Line........immediately relax drilling regulations of Natural Gas and Oil along our Coastlines, and within our States where reserves of such lay. Construct more Nuclear Power Plants. Do all possible to improve "renewable" energy sources.........

AND TELL THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST TO SHOVE IT!

 
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biscuit

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Spending billions every year to arm and support the sect that is Shiite and pro-Iran.


Iraq-Iran Ties Grow Stronger As Iraq Rises From The Ashes

What could go wrong?

It's a matter of choosing which demon you want to partner with in that region of the world.
The best option is to leave the demons alone.
We are just now learning that the Kurds are the best answer to ISIS. Not only will the Kurds fight ISIS but they are great fighters. We made a giant mistake of not arming them and allowed PM Maliki to tie the hands of both Kurds & Sunnis. The bulk of the blame should be placed on the U.S. for placing a partisan Shite PM into power who had no intention of sharing power with his neighbors.


I wholeheartedly agree with how Obama is handling the crisis because he is making the Shite controlled government pay for its bad decisions, and completely ignoring the advice of the American government to share power with its neighbors. In essence, the U.S., Kurds & Iraqis army will eventually bottled up ISIS and destroy them. ISIS is basically cornered with limited means to maneuver because of the 3 factions that are cornering them. ISIS knows that its movements can be controlled with American airpower. This is a chess game and it seem ISIS is getting frustrated and showing anger with the beheading of an American journalist. With gaining strength of the Iraqis army, the Kurds and American air power, ISIS has plenty to worry about. I can just hear those three forces singing the Rolling Stones' classic song "Time Is On My Side."
 
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Fishbait

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One of the major critiques of Obama in Syria is that he didn't arm the moderate Muslims quick enough in order to fight Assad. As a result other extreme groups came in. The conservative National Review writes.

NYT: How Obama Contributed to the Rise of ISIS | National Review Online

Of course conservatives lambasted him when he did decide to arm moderates in Syria.



Senators blast Obama’s Syria strategy - NY Daily News

Of course we know there is no sincerity from these folks in their remarks. They're coming from an epicenter of "WAHH!! OBAMA WON..I DON'T LIKE IT."...and not an epicenter of..."What's the best choice?" Just look at how they contradict themselves.

Anyways, I have another question.

Now that Obama is fighting ISIS, is Syria's Assad the moderate ally we've been looking for?
Assad is fighting ISIS too.

So what's my point?
My point is that all arguments about arming "moderates" in Syria, and in the region are total hog wash.

Each sect is evil.
The fact that Mccain and others threw a fit about Obama finally arming "moderates" proves my point.

Instead of trying to figure out which evil sect we give guns, how about finding out ways not to give any of them guns?
All "evil" sects such as ISIS are evil. Different sects of Muslim's have been fighting amoung themselves for centuries. However, they have two main beliefs that will never seperate them. Two beliefs that have always and will always 'bind' them together no matter what Obama or anyone says or does.

1. They're Muslim

2. They all hate Israel

God has a plan that will 'bind' them and all haters of Israel together. A plan that is unfolding today before our very eyes.

"In those days and at that time, When I (God) bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather ALL nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I (God) will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also DIVIDED up My Land." (Joel 3:1-2)

"And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.” Zechariah 12:9

Israel is like a banner to the entire world that the word of God is the truth. With each passing day, as Jerusalem and Judah become more and more the center of the world’s attention, it will become increasingly difficult for anyone to dispute the incredible accuracy of ancient prophecies.

..."What's the best choice?" A 'choice' that God has already made. We can discuss what choice we can or should make as well as cry "WAHH!! OBAMA WON..I DON'T LIKE IT."... all we want. We can try and make a decision on who to give gun's to or not when what we should be doing is what you suggest, quit hitting our heads against a brick wall. God has it under full control.
 
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I doubt we'll be Assad's friend anytime soon since he has a benefactor in the Kremlin.

Then again since America is notorious for double-dealing it wouldn't be too surprising either. I guess we'll just have to watch and see.
 
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1still_waters

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I doubt we'll be Assad's friend anytime soon since he has a benefactor in the Kremlin.

Then again since America is notorious for double-dealing it wouldn't be too surprising either. I guess we'll just have to watch and see.
I'm thinking a Hunger Games scenario. In the HG there is only ONE winner, yet they form allies, then they aren't allies. The USA will probably side with Assad until ISIS is done away with.
 
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I'm thinking a Hunger Games scenario. In the HG there is only ONE winner, yet they form allies, then they aren't allies. The USA will probably side with Assad until ISIS is done away with.
Lol never seen Hunger Games since I am a 25 year old single male.

Hollywood is just fake fiction, the Reality and the Real Politick is much different.

For the specific case of America and Assad; I think America will keep funding rebels to overthrow Assad since he is aligned to the Russians whom are our #1 empirical rival. You have to keep in mind Syria is home to Russia's only Mediterranean naval base. Furthermore the US has been funding rebels almost immediately from the beginning of this conflict. As typical our funding of islamic rebels has backfired on us (as it always does), but of course rather than ceasing to fund the evil religion of islam, we are funding the rebels now more than ever before. Also keep in mind America is a whore for Saudi oil and the Saudis do not like Assad either since Iran supports Assad.

So in a more realistic scenario, no, we will not be suppoting Bashar al-Assad. We will likely keep using a combination of air power and funding islamic rebels to combat ISIS. And even this strategy is obviously full of flaws. So we shall see.