I've seen a couple of threads about the gay agenda tonight. The world buys off on this because science has 'proven' that it's not a choice, but that some people are 'just wired like that'. What's interesting is that now science is showing that pedophiles have very much the same 'wiring'. Is that next on the world's agenda?
Gays and pedophiles
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Simple answer; no. Just because you happen to think that paedophilia and homosexuality are morally equivalent, does not make it so. People 'buy off' on letting two consenting adults make informed decisions about being gay, straight or bi-sexual because being gay, straight or bi-sexual in and of itself cannot be intrinsically justified as a criminally offensive action. Sex with children, however, does have intrinsic qualities that justify its classification as a criminal offence.
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Yes one is criminal and one is not but you can not say gay is wired or born that way and pedophiles are not. Both believe in their head it is okay to have these feelings and they are born like that.
All religion aside for a second both believe they are natural occurrences in their wiring.They are both sexual preferences one is an illegal vile one. What if they really are wired that way and how do we fix it. Like gays there is no fixing them ?
All religion aside for a second both believe they are natural occurrences in their wiring.They are both sexual preferences one is an illegal vile one. What if they really are wired that way and how do we fix it. Like gays there is no fixing them ?
All men are wired to sin. Christ died on Calvary to remedy that issue. John 3:18-19 makes it very clear that men choose to continue in sin. There is no excuse nor reason but Gods grace is great enough to convert them from the depths of depravity to the marvelous Light of Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I don't know if 'wired that way' is a scientifically accepted term. I mean, being gay can probably be explained using cultural arguments better than it can be explained using geneticist arguments - for instance, there is a correlation between the availability of females and the prevalence of male homosexuality - but whether or not gay people are 'wired that way' is irrelevant to the real point; considering homosexuality a criminal offence isn't intrinsically justifiable, whereas considering paedophilia a criminal offence is.
The psychopathology of a paedophile is inherently dangerous, contrary to that of an adult consenting homosexual.
The psychopathology of a paedophile is inherently dangerous, contrary to that of an adult consenting homosexual.
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We are born into sin, but that does not mean we are born that way.
I read a national study done talking to people who are gay, all most all of them said they did not start developing those feelings tell they were around 5 to 6 years old and others were about 9 years old.
Plus I have personally sat down and talked to those who are pedophiles, and have other sex offense crimes.
They do not believe they were born that way, and some do acknowledge they have a problem that needs to be fixed.
The other thing I learned was that those who go through therapy and complete it are less likely to reoffend then any other offender. This comes from the studies done and from the therapist themselves that I have talked to.
You would not see this in or on the media reports though.
Plus rather society looks at one as being right and the other wrong, God does not see it that way. A sin is a sin to Him, and our Lord Jesus said all sins will be forgiven of men except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
If you come to Him in repentance, and ask forgiveness of those sins you will be forgiven no matter how bad.
There are some who want to automatically cancel out salvation to people who commit certain sins, but that is not what the Lord wants. He wants us to minister to them, and help to bring them to repentance and turn away from those sins.
I read a national study done talking to people who are gay, all most all of them said they did not start developing those feelings tell they were around 5 to 6 years old and others were about 9 years old.
Plus I have personally sat down and talked to those who are pedophiles, and have other sex offense crimes.
They do not believe they were born that way, and some do acknowledge they have a problem that needs to be fixed.
The other thing I learned was that those who go through therapy and complete it are less likely to reoffend then any other offender. This comes from the studies done and from the therapist themselves that I have talked to.
You would not see this in or on the media reports though.
Plus rather society looks at one as being right and the other wrong, God does not see it that way. A sin is a sin to Him, and our Lord Jesus said all sins will be forgiven of men except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
If you come to Him in repentance, and ask forgiveness of those sins you will be forgiven no matter how bad.
There are some who want to automatically cancel out salvation to people who commit certain sins, but that is not what the Lord wants. He wants us to minister to them, and help to bring them to repentance and turn away from those sins.
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You are right.
When put into sin perspective though one is not a worse sinner than the other. Our Lord does not discriminate who is worse in sin than another. Their sin of homosexuality and pedophilia can be as easily forgiven as your sins of lies or what ever else you do in sin as long as you repent and turn from them.
If you do not repent and turn from them, our Lord Jesus makes it clear what we consider the least sinner will still perish along with the worst sinner for not repenting of their sins.
When put into sin perspective though one is not a worse sinner than the other. Our Lord does not discriminate who is worse in sin than another. Their sin of homosexuality and pedophilia can be as easily forgiven as your sins of lies or what ever else you do in sin as long as you repent and turn from them.
If you do not repent and turn from them, our Lord Jesus makes it clear what we consider the least sinner will still perish along with the worst sinner for not repenting of their sins.
You're absolutely right, being gay and being a pedophile are two separate things. I was just commenting on how there are medical and psychological markers that lend to being gay, and there are similar markers for being pedo. Of course they're similar, the have the same source... satan and the flesh.
Seeing as I derail my fair share of threads (I prefer to call them 'tangents'), what less should I expect?
Seeing as I derail my fair share of threads (I prefer to call them 'tangents'), what less should I expect?
They are both relatively rare sexual disorders. Only 1.6% of the population is homosexual (though the media likes to pretend that the number is far higher) while 4% of the population are pedophiles. Homosexuality is of course a more benign disorder than pedeophilia, but it's still a disorder nevertheless. Before the PC brigade took over it used to be classified as a mental illness.
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actually...i have seen this coming for at least ten years.
pedophiles and their major organizations hope to ride the coattails of the LGBTQ
into legalization of their behavior.
just as the gay agenda likens their cause to the US Civil Rights Movement,
pedophiles seek legal redress based on the gay agenda.
ps--the civil rights movement was legit! (thank you, Dr. King)
unlike the gay agenda...
pedophiles and their major organizations hope to ride the coattails of the LGBTQ
into legalization of their behavior.
just as the gay agenda likens their cause to the US Civil Rights Movement,
pedophiles seek legal redress based on the gay agenda.
ps--the civil rights movement was legit! (thank you, Dr. King)
unlike the gay agenda...
actually...i have seen this coming for at least ten years.
pedophiles and their major organizations hope to ride the coattails of the LGBTQ
into legalization of their behavior.
just as the gay agenda likens their cause to the US Civil Rights Movement,
pedophiles seek legal redress based on the gay agenda.
ps--the civil rights movement was legit! (thank you, Dr. King)
unlike the gay agenda...
pedophiles and their major organizations hope to ride the coattails of the LGBTQ
into legalization of their behavior.
just as the gay agenda likens their cause to the US Civil Rights Movement,
pedophiles seek legal redress based on the gay agenda.
ps--the civil rights movement was legit! (thank you, Dr. King)
unlike the gay agenda...
However, that doesn't stop the ultra-leftist homosexual front from arguing theirs is like unto the black civil rights fight.
Not surprising. They attempt to take from other sources to create the platform for their agenda in other areas, like the rainbow, and the word "gay". Why not argue their hoping to redefine traditional marriage and proudly parade deviant abnormal sexual behavior in our streets and over the rights of others to object, is exactly like the black race and their fight to end slavery and racial inequality?
A pathetic people really. They need prayer. Not tolerance for their deviant agenda to overcome righteousness and morality.
we live in a fallen world, and why people are still talking about the fact that it is becoming more evil is really hard for me to understand. God's word is infallible, and we have been told to expect this. and therefore, anything less would be impossible for me to expect.
there is no more an agenda for pedophilia, than there is an agenda for every perversion of evil, sinful behavior, ugly urges, and a growing world of self-obessed people who care very little for anyone but their own concerns and needs.
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
2 timothy 3:1-4
gee, does any of this behavior sound familiar? our best (and proper) response is to continue to share the gospel, walk in the light, and pray for the lost. even for the gays, and yes, even for the pedophiles.
there is no more an agenda for pedophilia, than there is an agenda for every perversion of evil, sinful behavior, ugly urges, and a growing world of self-obessed people who care very little for anyone but their own concerns and needs.
But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God
2 timothy 3:1-4
gee, does any of this behavior sound familiar? our best (and proper) response is to continue to share the gospel, walk in the light, and pray for the lost. even for the gays, and yes, even for the pedophiles.
I would hope every Christian prays for homosexuals repentance of their behaviors.
And for the pedophiles victims and those who they may see and desire or trespass against, as well as that pedophile themselves. May God open the heart of that sexual offender against the innocent, and until then, may the police find them before they find a child. And may there ever and always be a cell waiting for them to call home. Because many an inmate has found Jesus in prison. While from behind bars no child molester or rapist shall tally one more innocent child victim to their discredit.
Meanwhile, until that pedophile comes to Jesus, he shall certainly know there is a Hell while in prison.
As for homosexuals, may they remember Sodom for which their deviant behavior gained the name they did not borrow to make their own. And may they repent before it is too late. Amen.
And for the pedophiles victims and those who they may see and desire or trespass against, as well as that pedophile themselves. May God open the heart of that sexual offender against the innocent, and until then, may the police find them before they find a child. And may there ever and always be a cell waiting for them to call home. Because many an inmate has found Jesus in prison. While from behind bars no child molester or rapist shall tally one more innocent child victim to their discredit.
Meanwhile, until that pedophile comes to Jesus, he shall certainly know there is a Hell while in prison.
As for homosexuals, may they remember Sodom for which their deviant behavior gained the name they did not borrow to make their own. And may they repent before it is too late. Amen.
If homosexuality is not a choice, then the gene for it would die out in one generation.
Its not homosexuality, it is what it is, perversion.
Homosexuality, beastiality, adultry, pedophilia, fornication, lust, rape.....its all the same....sexual sin. A perversion of the will of God for sexual relations between a man and woman in marriage.
Its not important if you equate one sexual sin with another. They are all sin and they are all destructive.
Its not homosexuality, it is what it is, perversion.
Homosexuality, beastiality, adultry, pedophilia, fornication, lust, rape.....its all the same....sexual sin. A perversion of the will of God for sexual relations between a man and woman in marriage.
Its not important if you equate one sexual sin with another. They are all sin and they are all destructive.
Big difference between trying to eliminate a gene pool than one that cannot exist. At best you could say the ''gay gene'' ( which has not been proven to exist ) was a mutation which would make it extremely rare and given the impossible nature of it being passed on, even more rare.
That is with the ideal that humans cannot overcome their genetic makeups, which is afterall the homosexual position.
Makes no sence, emotionally, scientifically or spiritually.
That is with the ideal that humans cannot overcome their genetic makeups, which is afterall the homosexual position.
Makes no sence, emotionally, scientifically or spiritually.