JOEL OSTEEN FACEBOOK POST REVEALS HORRIFIC LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF SCRIPTURE
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1 John 4 tells us to test the spirits (people).
Ephesians 5:11 tells us to expose the fruitless deeds of darkness.
Revelation 2:2 tells us Jesus was proud when the church didn't tolerate wicked people and tested false apostles.
In the NT we're taught to distingush from false prophets, to beware of false teachers, and to be watchful.
I think Joel may have the gift of encouragment, but other than that, he lacks confidence and knowledge. I'm not sure if he is false, but there are signs that point to it. At least he preaches Christ, no? Does he?
Ephesians 5:11 tells us to expose the fruitless deeds of darkness.
Revelation 2:2 tells us Jesus was proud when the church didn't tolerate wicked people and tested false apostles.
In the NT we're taught to distingush from false prophets, to beware of false teachers, and to be watchful.
I think Joel may have the gift of encouragment, but other than that, he lacks confidence and knowledge. I'm not sure if he is false, but there are signs that point to it. At least he preaches Christ, no? Does he?
He has a nice smile, a calm and gentle presence. In other words,smooth and oily.
I just wish he wold read the Bible, and learn what he gospel is really about. He has a lot of influence and so many could be really won to Christ through his ministry.
I am going to pray for him and his wife Victoria, that God helps them repent of his heresy of the Health and Wealth gospel, and that they will turn to serving God, not money and health.
I just wish he wold read the Bible, and learn what he gospel is really about. He has a lot of influence and so many could be really won to Christ through his ministry.
I am going to pray for him and his wife Victoria, that God helps them repent of his heresy of the Health and Wealth gospel, and that they will turn to serving God, not money and health.
S
All I could see happening is people trying to justify their annoyance and jealousy because he is attracting followers and gaining influence…
Not quoting scriptures and being nice is not an attribute of a false prophet…to say the least, the ones who appears overly spiritual are the one who could be hiding something…when someone openly tells you he has received no theology training and humbly delivers what he believes of his understanding of the Bible, don't you understand that he is not claiming to be a prophet? or a teacher?
He just loves to encourages people and that's a ministry too.
Not quoting scriptures and being nice is not an attribute of a false prophet…to say the least, the ones who appears overly spiritual are the one who could be hiding something…when someone openly tells you he has received no theology training and humbly delivers what he believes of his understanding of the Bible, don't you understand that he is not claiming to be a prophet? or a teacher?
He just loves to encourages people and that's a ministry too.
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On national TV he said that Jesus wasn't the only way to salvation. If that isn't being a false teacher then I don't know what is.
The prosperity crowd always throw out the "You're just jealous!" accusation any time one of these prosperity ministers are criticized. It's like they can't understand that there's more important things than money and worldly power. The Bible says that those who teach will be judged more harshly.
The prosperity crowd always throw out the "You're just jealous!" accusation any time one of these prosperity ministers are criticized. It's like they can't understand that there's more important things than money and worldly power. The Bible says that those who teach will be judged more harshly.
R
personally i find joel osteen too boring to watch...
but it disappoints me that his message is 'half right'...he preaches that God promises prosperity to his people...but glosses over the fact that prosperity in God's eyes is often -not- manifested in material wealth or first world style enjoyment...and he leaves the important matter of pauline style -contentment- out of the equation entirely...
if only he -completed- his message with the -rest- of the bible's teaching on prosperity and christian living...he would be a truly great man of God...
but it disappoints me that his message is 'half right'...he preaches that God promises prosperity to his people...but glosses over the fact that prosperity in God's eyes is often -not- manifested in material wealth or first world style enjoyment...and he leaves the important matter of pauline style -contentment- out of the equation entirely...
if only he -completed- his message with the -rest- of the bible's teaching on prosperity and christian living...he would be a truly great man of God...
E
If I give you the proof that this man is a wolf, will you read it or will you disregard it?
Usually by the time that there are a large amount of people calling someone a heretic, false prophet, false teacher, or etc, it is when there has already been a substantial amount of evidence for years that has been piling up. So I do admit that I find it shocking that you are disregarding the global outcry against this man that goes far beyond not quoting the Bible enough or smiling (If smiling is unbiblical then I must be a heretic myself).
The media (and the mass Christian community) just now caught on to Mark Driscoll. Rob Bell was recently caught up after he wrote Love Wins. Not many people are talking about the problems with Bill Johnson, Hill Song, and Jesus Culture.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that the many Christians are so caught up trying to "not judge" that they fail to use biblical discernment. They allow wolves to tear them and their friends into shreds and they bad-mouth any sheep that does try to exercise biblical discernment. The only time they generally listen is when some outrageous scandal happens and it is all over the news papers then they finally believe the person is bad.
So my question to you (If you do say that you will refuse to listen to evidence I post that Joel should not be a pastor) is: What is it going to take to convince you? Adultery? Child molestation? Flagrant homosexuality? These things are hiding behind many celebrity pastor pulpits. What a lot of folks don't realize is that playing the game of acting like a sheep is a full time job for wolves. They tend to really cut loose in savagery when they are off the job.
We shouldn't have to wait until someone gets caught doing something extraordinarily evil to put them out of the pulpit and off of our shelves. It should be evident with the fruit of their lives and their ministries. As it is/has been with Joel, Mark Driscoll, Rob bell, Bill Johnson, & etc.
Usually by the time that there are a large amount of people calling someone a heretic, false prophet, false teacher, or etc, it is when there has already been a substantial amount of evidence for years that has been piling up. So I do admit that I find it shocking that you are disregarding the global outcry against this man that goes far beyond not quoting the Bible enough or smiling (If smiling is unbiblical then I must be a heretic myself).
The media (and the mass Christian community) just now caught on to Mark Driscoll. Rob Bell was recently caught up after he wrote Love Wins. Not many people are talking about the problems with Bill Johnson, Hill Song, and Jesus Culture.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that the many Christians are so caught up trying to "not judge" that they fail to use biblical discernment. They allow wolves to tear them and their friends into shreds and they bad-mouth any sheep that does try to exercise biblical discernment. The only time they generally listen is when some outrageous scandal happens and it is all over the news papers then they finally believe the person is bad.
So my question to you (If you do say that you will refuse to listen to evidence I post that Joel should not be a pastor) is: What is it going to take to convince you? Adultery? Child molestation? Flagrant homosexuality? These things are hiding behind many celebrity pastor pulpits. What a lot of folks don't realize is that playing the game of acting like a sheep is a full time job for wolves. They tend to really cut loose in savagery when they are off the job.
We shouldn't have to wait until someone gets caught doing something extraordinarily evil to put them out of the pulpit and off of our shelves. It should be evident with the fruit of their lives and their ministries. As it is/has been with Joel, Mark Driscoll, Rob bell, Bill Johnson, & etc.
Hello there Revelator7,
no he does not preach Christ. What Joel Osteen preaches is a false gospel known as the 'health and wealth' gospel aka 'prosperity gospel.'
Joel Osteen does not preach on the Jesus of the Bible.
And this should not be a surprise since Joel Osteen does not preach the Bible.
What Joel teaches is positive/possibility thinking.
K
I do believe he teaches falsely and people should be warned about the false things he says.
What I don't agree with is people who falsely through the word prophet around to people who are not prophets.
There is a big difference between a inspirational teacher and a prophet. What prophecy has he ever given ???
And I don't mean when he has said what he thinks might happen, a prophet speaks of things as absolute / they will happen.
Then and only then if it comes true or not, determines a prophet from a false prophet.
What I don't agree with is people who falsely through the word prophet around to people who are not prophets.
There is a big difference between a inspirational teacher and a prophet. What prophecy has he ever given ???
And I don't mean when he has said what he thinks might happen, a prophet speaks of things as absolute / they will happen.
Then and only then if it comes true or not, determines a prophet from a false prophet.
S
God will wither bad weeds in their own time. I don't care much about whether he preaches the true Gospel or wishes he preaches the way I want like some of you wish for…...I have seen the most violent comment thrown in his face in disgust as if this attitude from so called sprit filled believers who know it all is justified. It has had me taken a step back…I washed him disgraced c hristiany by baffling on national TV…yet I have pitied the man because he is not cut out as a sound theologian…that doesn't excuses all this harassment.
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I always stand for truth in the church, true fellowship and love. rebuking like Jesus rebuked the pharisee who were hypocrites…I understand that….I don't see this man being as evil and enmity of God as some of you tend to portray…he might have issues you know nothing about…and he needs praying….but because he is in front of a big congregation drawing attention and gaining influence, he is suddenly enemy number 1 of the gospel...
we already knew this charlatan does not understand scripture.
what shocks me is that the extent of his influence:
As of Friday afternoon, the post had over 317,000 likes and 52,000 shares. It has since been deleted by the Osteen camp.
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that's 317,000 misled sheep that don't know the scripture either!!
what shocks me is that the extent of his influence:
As of Friday afternoon, the post had over 317,000 likes and 52,000 shares. It has since been deleted by the Osteen camp.
(quote from link in OP)
that's 317,000 misled sheep that don't know the scripture either!!
Osteen teaches community-ism. He sees the kingdom as coming on this earth and brought about by the efforts of man. His message tickles the ears and draws likeminded souls to their death. He is a good example of those in the end times and a promoter of the great delusion that is to come.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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As I've stated before, the Olsteens do have doctrinal errors and some of them are serious. Here's CRI's take:
Part 1: The Teaching of Joel Osteen Pt. 1 - YouTube
Part 2: The Teaching of Joel Osteen Pt. 2: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, and the Bible - YouTube
I personally think theological ignorance is a large part of Olsteen's problem as he never graduated from the college he attended (e.g. Oral Roberts University) much less attended seminary and graduated with a divinity degree. Joel is academically and theologically unqualified to hold the position of senior pastor that he holds. To put it bluntly: he's a Bible school dropout, in other words.
The other part of his problem, in my opinion, is that he displays a measure of denial and wishful thinking when solid orthodox Christian theologians do take the time to correct his theological misunderstanding.
That said, I like the Olsteens as people. I don't believe they're exercising denial from passive/aggressive rebellion or ego. My opinion based on everything I've heard from them and read, qualified and normalized, is that they are moral, honest, and socialized Christians who deeply believe in what they are doing.
But, Joel is theologically unqualified for the position of senior pastor and his dismissal of orthodox Christian theologian's scholarly correction is a continuing problem for the assembly he pastors.
That said, I don't even view the fact he's unqualified for senior pastor as a material problem because it can certainly be resolved. In fact, there are a great many preachers, pastors, and evangelists throughout the history of Christendom that God called to ministry who obtained the necessary competency and credentials "on the job" so to speak.
But the second issue (being unwilling to take correction from orthodox Christian theological scholars) is the real problem with respect to Joel Olsteen. He displays negative volition toward taking correction from orthodox Christian scholars.
Nevertheless, many people are being added to God's kingdom through the ministry he leads anyways making the Olsteen's ministry truly a mixed blessing.
I'm going to step out on a limb and say the good presently outweighs the bad with respect to the Olsteens and their ministry which is bringing people into God's kingdom and setting them on the narrow path despite Joel's ongoing and sometimes serious doctrinal problems which fortunately are not enough to classify him as a heretic.
But he is theologically ignorant to a material degree, academically unqualified for the position he holds as senior pastor, and to the best of my knowledge not under the authority and discipleship of a world class orthodox Christian scholar like Craig, Geisler, etc...
So while he may mistakenly think Mormons are Christians he himself is not a Joseph Smith if you know what I mean... lol.
I just wish he'd discern that he needs to take the next step and come under the authority and accountability of a world class orthodox Christian theological scholar like Craig, Geisler, etc...
THEN, it would be ALL good.
Part 1: The Teaching of Joel Osteen Pt. 1 - YouTube
Part 2: The Teaching of Joel Osteen Pt. 2: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, and the Bible - YouTube
I personally think theological ignorance is a large part of Olsteen's problem as he never graduated from the college he attended (e.g. Oral Roberts University) much less attended seminary and graduated with a divinity degree. Joel is academically and theologically unqualified to hold the position of senior pastor that he holds. To put it bluntly: he's a Bible school dropout, in other words.
The other part of his problem, in my opinion, is that he displays a measure of denial and wishful thinking when solid orthodox Christian theologians do take the time to correct his theological misunderstanding.
That said, I like the Olsteens as people. I don't believe they're exercising denial from passive/aggressive rebellion or ego. My opinion based on everything I've heard from them and read, qualified and normalized, is that they are moral, honest, and socialized Christians who deeply believe in what they are doing.
But, Joel is theologically unqualified for the position of senior pastor and his dismissal of orthodox Christian theologian's scholarly correction is a continuing problem for the assembly he pastors.
That said, I don't even view the fact he's unqualified for senior pastor as a material problem because it can certainly be resolved. In fact, there are a great many preachers, pastors, and evangelists throughout the history of Christendom that God called to ministry who obtained the necessary competency and credentials "on the job" so to speak.
But the second issue (being unwilling to take correction from orthodox Christian theological scholars) is the real problem with respect to Joel Olsteen. He displays negative volition toward taking correction from orthodox Christian scholars.
Nevertheless, many people are being added to God's kingdom through the ministry he leads anyways making the Olsteen's ministry truly a mixed blessing.
I'm going to step out on a limb and say the good presently outweighs the bad with respect to the Olsteens and their ministry which is bringing people into God's kingdom and setting them on the narrow path despite Joel's ongoing and sometimes serious doctrinal problems which fortunately are not enough to classify him as a heretic.
But he is theologically ignorant to a material degree, academically unqualified for the position he holds as senior pastor, and to the best of my knowledge not under the authority and discipleship of a world class orthodox Christian scholar like Craig, Geisler, etc...
So while he may mistakenly think Mormons are Christians he himself is not a Joseph Smith if you know what I mean... lol.
I just wish he'd discern that he needs to take the next step and come under the authority and accountability of a world class orthodox Christian theological scholar like Craig, Geisler, etc...
THEN, it would be ALL good.
J
Correct!
Leave that man alone.... why? Paul already predicted this kind of wisdom from men. Because of Man's foolishness... the truth all the more stands out! Bring it ON!
1 Corinthians 1:18-25New International Version (NIV)
Christ Crucified Is God’s Power and Wisdom
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing,but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[a]
20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
And about pointing fingers...DON'T! Only if we know we are doing the same thing. I'm not righteous enough to rebuke or point finger to this man because...
JUDE 1:9
New Living Translation
But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.)
And for him having many followers...
Matthew 7:13 English Standard Version
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.
So easy to love and encourage people, but not so easy to sacrifice out of love.
H
I think the reason a lot of Christians have a difficult time with this guy is because he is dragging the name of our Lord through the mud. I know what the bible says about he preaches but a lot of people don't. Unbelievers don't, but are still getting sucked into this fake display of Christianity. It leads people astray. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing whether or not he knows it.
