True and False Humility

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Rachel20

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* What does it mean to be humble?

*What do you mean by false humility?

*How do we distinguish between them?


These are some of the questions I want to put across to you as I grapple with them myself.

I read in a commentary about Isaiah 7, relating to King Ahaz's refusal to ask God for a sign.


I. TRUE HUMILITY SUBMITS AND OBEYS.

I. FALSE HUMILITY SUBMITS, BUT DOES NOT OBEY

This was the attitude of Ahaz. He submits; he takes the humble posture; he speaks the humble words; but he does not obey. His humility is but hypocrisy.

Bishop Hall says, "Art imitates nature, and the nearer it comes to nature in its effects, it is the more excellent. Grace is the new nature of a Christian, and hypocrisy that art that counterfeits it; and the more exquisite it is in imitation it is the more plausible to men, but the more abominable to God. It may frame a spiritual man in image so to the life that not only others, but even the hypocrite himself, may admire it, and, favoring his own artifice, may be deceived so far as to say and to think it lives, and fall in love with it; but he is no less abhorred by the Searcher of hearts than pleasing to himself."


(Taken from the commentary. Albeit it's not an internet one, there still seems some wisdom in it :) I found it to ring with some truth and just sharing it)

Humility means to have a modest view of one's importance. The way I see false humility is an appearance of modesty but which in reality isn't.

It's a mirage or an image, which isn't true.

Romans 12:3 says

For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.


and about Christ's humility we learn

Phillipians 2:3-11

Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.


I see humility in play very much when Paul talks about his struggles and how he could only boast in his weakness.

2 Corinthians 12:5-12
On behalf of this man I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses. Though if I should wish to boast, I would not be a fool, for I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain from it, so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me. So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.




So do you feel false humility is harmful?

Personally I do. I believe it is harmful because it propagates an arrogance and an unhealthy attitude amongst people bordering on narcissism and it would be detrimental to brothers and sisters in a group.


Here are a few additional ways to pick out false humility (again gleaned from the internet)


1. Real humility builds up; false humility tears down. The same person who is quick to claim credit for a project done well is often first to blame others whenever there is a problem.

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In admitting an error or acknowledging that one is wrong, the humble person not only apologizes but also changes course. A person pretending to be humble might say a halfhearted “sorry,” but stubbornly continues down the same path.

3. Humility is about true service, not self-congratulation. Fawning, fake humility is ingratiating, not giving. It pretends to be generous, but in reality it’s self-centered. Take the humblebrag. When asked to identify a personal weakness, a humblebraggart might say, “I’m always working too hard for everyone else.”

4. Real humility leads a person to be curious about and concerned for others, not fixated on how others can lead to one’s own enrichment. Humility is putting others first in thought, word, and deed. It resists the temptation to self-aggrandize.



So here's a summary of the questions I put across to each one of you.


1. What does it mean to be humble?

2. What is false humility? Is there such a thing and how do you distinguish between true and false humility?

3. Do you believe false humility is harmful?

4. How do you deal with it? Are we even supposed to deal with it?

5. What aspect of Christ struck you most about his humility? ( :) Jesus is amazing )


Proverbs 22:4
The reward for humility and fear of the Lord is riches and honor and life.
 
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zeroturbulence

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Can u give an example of false humility? I can't see where/how false humility would occur.
 

Rachel20

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Can u give an example of false humility? I can't see where/how false humility would occur.

Well I posted scenarios.

Among the questions I did ask was, do you believe false humility even exists. I guess then that would be negative in your view :)


Here's one - (from the list)


Humility is about true service, not self-congratulation. Fawning, fake humility is ingratiating, not giving. It pretends to be generous, but in reality it’s self-centered.

(---->)Take the humblebrag. When asked to identify a personal weakness, a humblebraggart might say, “I’m always working too hard for everyone else.”
 

zeroturbulence

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Oh do u mean like christians who put on a godly and humble appearance on the outside but don't do anything to help out or encourage others? I can see how that would be false humility... just like the pharisees.
 

Rachel20

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Oh do u mean like christians who put on a godly and humble appearance on the outside but don't do anything to help out or encourage others? I can see how that would be false humility... just like the pharisees.

AAH yep I guess!


I missed the Pharisees :p

Oh well it's really late here. 2 AM. Sorry about this.

I will be heading off to bed and see the responses later. God bless you and goodnight!! :)
 

zeroturbulence

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Well I posted scenarios.

Among the questions I did ask was, do you believe false humility even exists. I guess then that would be negative in your view :)


Here's one - (from the list)


Humility is about true service, not self-congratulation. Fawning, fake humility is ingratiating, not giving. It pretends to be generous, but in reality it’s self-centered.

(---->)Take the humblebrag. When asked to identify a personal weakness, a humblebraggart might say, “I’m always working too hard for everyone else.”
humblebraggart sounds more like a bitter person than a humble person to me.
 

zeroturbulence

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AAH yep I guess!


I missed the Pharisees :p

Oh well it's really late here. 2 AM. Sorry about this.

I will be heading off to bed and see the responses later. God bless you and goodnight!! :)
Ok goodnight :D
 

Lynx

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Quote for the day: "Modesty is the art of drawing attention to whatever it is you're being humble about."
 
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1. What does it mean to be humble?

Phil 2:
3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; 4do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.

For me, this is the living definition of humility.

2. What is false humility? Is there such a thing and how do you distinguish between true and false humility?

In light of the above scripture, I suppose false humility would be a selfish act at the expense of another clothed in pretty words.

I suppose the only way we can truly distinguish would be to examine the intent of our own hearts regarding a thing. Are we making a decision based upon what is better for others or based upon our own best interest at their expense?

3. Do you believe false humility is harmful?

If true humility is putting the needs of others above our own and false humility is akin to selfishness, then I would say that it is harmful; as it would be in opposition to Christ-like behavior.

4. How do you deal with it? Are we even supposed to deal with it?

I don't know that we can deal with it with regard to anyone other than ourselves, as we cannot see the intent of the hearts of others, only our own. Sometimes we can't truly even see our own, can we? We would likely be overwhelmed by the dark places thereof if we could.

If we cannot see it with certainty in others, I don't know how we would deal with it without the possibility of bearing false witness. With regard to ourselves, surely prayer would be the way to deal with it. As He increases in us and we decrease, I would think greater humility would certainly be a by product. I can't imagine that any of us doesn't have a selfish streak from time to time unfortunately.

5. What aspect of Christ struck you most about his humility? ( :) Jesus is amazing )

That He willingly laid down His life for sins that were not His to bear. Greater love and humility has no man than this.
 
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cinder

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A wise man once said "Humility is accepting what God says about you." What looks like false humility to me is often the people who are down on themselves, who think that what they struggle with puts them beyond God's help. Often this shows up in churches as people who say they are such terrible sinners or so displeasing to God etc. but have nothing specific to confess too. Such an attitude is harmful and stunts growth because people see themselves as incapable of becoming better as if God's power were not sufficient for such a task. While it may not be as harmful as the converse attitude of I can do no wrong because God approves of me, it is still harmful. If I ever figure out the solution for this I'll let you know.

As far as Jesus goes, the most striking aspects of his humility were that he didn't ever feel the need to push the point that he was God or in anyway demand the respect due to being God. He also never pressured anyone to accept his message; he told it like it was and then let people do with it whatever they wanted. The confidence to not be swayed by whether people believed or not was pretty remarkable.
 

Lynx

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A wise man once said "Humility is accepting what God says about you." What looks like false humility to me is often the people who are down on themselves, who think that what they struggle with puts them beyond God's help. Often this shows up in churches as people who say they are such terrible sinners or so displeasing to God etc. but have nothing specific to confess too. Such an attitude is harmful and stunts growth because people see themselves as incapable of becoming better as if God's power were not sufficient for such a task. While it may not be as harmful as the converse attitude of I can do no wrong because God approves of me, it is still harmful. If I ever figure out the solution for this I'll let you know.

As far as Jesus goes, the most striking aspects of his humility were that he didn't ever feel the need to push the point that he was God or in anyway demand the respect due to being God. He also never pressured anyone to accept his message; he told it like it was and then let people do with it whatever they wanted. The confidence to not be swayed by whether people believed or not was pretty remarkable.
Excellent way of putting it. I couldn't have said it better myself.
 

ChandlerFan

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1. What does it mean to be humble?
I think Julianna's mention of Philippians 2:3 is a good definition. It's really to rightly see who you are before God.
2. What is false humility? Is there such a thing and how do you distinguish between true and false humility?
Actually, the first thing that came to my mind was the humble-brag haha. But I think false humility is a lot more subtle than that, and it's even harder to spot I think if you're the one doing it. It's easier to actually spot it in other people (which is ironic, huh?). I think it's really an attitude of the heart where you're feeling awesome because of all the good things you've done/are doing, and tend to talk and act as if you've arrived. I know that I've been guilty of this in the past.

3. Do you believe false humility is harmful?
Yes, in the sense that it hinders us from being able to truly believe the Gospel, which robs us of joy and robs God of worship.

4. How do you deal with it? Are we even supposed to deal with it?
Preach the Gospel to yourself daily :)

5. What aspect of Christ struck you most about his humility? ( :) Jesus is amazing )
There are so many examples of it in the last few days of his life. The Last Supper when he washes his disciples' feet and serves them dinner; the Garden of Gethsemane when through blood-sweat he pleads with God not to make him go through the agony he knows is imminent and prays still that the Father's will would be done; healing his captor's ear; enduring the torture and crucifixion even though he had the power to wipe out everyone in a 100-mile radius in an instant. Yes, Jesus is amazing :)
 

Rachel20

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Thank you everyone for the responses. :)

I loved reading them all and God bless you for answering them!

@ Lynx : - Cool quote. Thanks for that !


@ Julliana :- Yes, I agree. We need to pray and examine ourselves and ask God to show us if in anyway we have displayed any form of false humility.

I kind of think that false humility is more of a show to others, whereas true humility would be most visible to God. And God honours it. (Proverbs 22:4, Proverbs 29:23)

About the example of Jesus, what also struck me during his crucifixion was how he didn't say a word to those who mocked Him.
It always makes me cry, imagining all the soldiers whipping Him, insulting Him and He didn't even retaliate once.

Thanks a lot for answering.


@ Cinder :- I really enjoyed reading your post. God bless you dearly sis.

About the humility to the point of rejecting God's power, it made me think of the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector in front of God. The Pharisee's prayer was Thank you God I don't sin like the man next to me.

Your example was kind of a weird inverted paradox of that, but this verse also rings true.

Luke 18:14
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everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.

I also loved your example of Christ's humility.

I never thought of it before and it's really cool you brought it up that way. Jesus never really pushed the point. He stated His facts and even when people needled Him, He left it at that. Thanks a lot!


@ ChandlerFan

I always love your posts!! Thank you so much for taking the time to answer the questions.

I agree with you truly that false humility is more visible in others. It's harder to see our own blindspots but it's clearer to view that from others.

I think then , we should just leave that aspect to God because He knows best how to show light on certain things that we ourselves cannot see.


And about Jesus - Hi five!!! I agree with all of that.

God bless you , my friend :)
 
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i like your post rachel.

Sean
 

Rachel20

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Thanks Sean :)

I liked your post too!