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TearsofthePhoenix

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Been separated from my husband for almost three weeks now after 7 years or marriage and three children together. Having a really difficult time coping. Especially in the evenings when I am left with silence and tears.

I didn't want this, he said it was temporary but then extended it, and I am trying so hard to not resent him for dumping the kids and house and everything in my lap and him walking away like this. He has been here in the mornings and evenings for meals but then leaves and goes to sleep at a friends house. The kids have been in tears but he thinks its better than them witnessing us fight.

I have been struggling with my faith, I am weak. I went to church to pray and had two kids running around, so I felt I couldn't connect totally. I have had the kids pretty much nonstop 24/7 since about a week before this began (with the exception of one 2 hour break).

I feel so wounded, so broken.
 
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I'm so sorry, Tears. I know how overwhelming this can be. Have you talked to your pastor? You need spiritual guidance and counseling, with or without your husband. You need your church family behind you in all of this. They can help with the kids and other needs that you have, as well as provide you with love and someone to talk to for encouragement. If your husband is involved in the church, he also needs to be reached out to by leaders in the church. For advice, accountability, and counseling.

I'm glad you've joined us. My prayers are with you.
 
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TearsofthePhoenix

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I have tried to meet with my priest or deacon. I haven't gotten a call back. I went to the church to pray.. but had my two youngest who of course had to run around while I was trying to pray and I just felt so overwhelmed. My husband is not Christian. He was, once, but he went back to being Pagan. It was around the time that changed that our marriage started to fall apart and he refuses to see it. I have no support system here. I just want to stop crying and being angry with him. I don't understand why he gets to go away to get his head straight and "forgive" shit (I wasn't nice when talking to him) when after everything he put me through I was here and at his side and a mom...
 
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kenthomas27

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Tears - you're in the hands of our loving God now. You're in the right place where Grace and so many others here can walk your path wirh you. It's no accident you are here. I am writing from phone and it's frustrating cuz i can't write but our God turns tables. He turns lost into found and He can change things for you. Expect great things. Welcome.
 

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I am sorry to hear this Tears. I will pray for you. May God be your source of comfort in this time of need. I hope your church is able to support you with the kids, prayer and counselling. And you are most welcome on CC Singles if ever you want to rant or someone to support you. :)


I'm so sorry, Tears. I know how overwhelming this can be. Have you talked to your pastor? You need spiritual guidance and counseling, with or without your husband. You need your church family behind you in all of this. They can help with the kids and other needs that you have, as well as provide you with love and someone to talk to for encouragement. If your husband is involved in the church, he also needs to be reached out to by leaders in the church. For advice, accountability, and counseling.

I'm glad you've joined us. My prayers are with you.
I'm surprised that there are churches which offer services like what you mentioned. I don't mean to offend anybody with my post. In my church, the moment a couple is separated they are eased out of church ministries and other responsibilities they may be holding in the church. In some cases they are even forbidden from partaking in communion. They are told 'Work out your marriage first, then offer your offerings at the altar'. Everybody is busy finger-pointing and accusing the couple (or individual members). Such couples usually go back to their parents and never come to our church. If things work out and they get back together (divorce is anathema to my church), then they are re-introduced into all the activities they were involved in. Everything is back to being hunky-dory.

I don't know if God is opening my eyes to how a church should be or if it is my rebellion against my church. There have been too many 'eye-openers' that I've had since I joined CC a few months back. This is the biggest of them all.
 

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Dear Father In Heaven

Please help our sister and bring her comfort. Wrap Your arms of love around her and let her know that You are with her as she is going through this time of separation. I pray for her husband to have an eye opening experience that would cause him to realize that he needs to be home and reconnect with his wife and that You Father will be able to help workout things for this couple that their marriage could be restored. Please help them both to seek counseling and to be able to love each other again.

Give our sister strength during the separation and touch hearts of those around her to offer some assistance and help with the children and bring peace to her heart so that she can rest in You and be able to build her trust and faith in You that You are in control and will help her throughout this process. Send Your angels to fight off any evil influence that is warring against this family and help her to stand strong in her faith with You. I thank You for hearing and answering this prayer in Jesus Name Amen.
 

Lynx

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I Corinthians 7:13-15
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

I know it doesn't help much with the pain of seeing him go, but if he has returned to pagan ways and he is determined to leave...
 
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...I'm surprised that there are churches which offer services like what you mentioned. I don't mean to offend anybody with my post. In my church, the moment a couple is separated they are eased out of church ministries and other responsibilities they may be holding in the church. In some cases they are even forbidden from partaking in communion. They are told 'Work out your marriage first, then offer your offerings at the altar'. Everybody is busy finger-pointing and accusing the couple (or individual members). Such couples usually go back to their parents and never come to our church. If things work out and they get back together (divorce is anathema to my church), then they are re-introduced into all the activities they were involved in. Everything is back to being hunky-dory.

I don't know if God is opening my eyes to how a church should be or if it is my rebellion against my church. There have been too many 'eye-openers' that I've had since I joined CC a few months back. This is the biggest of them all.
Two days after my ex-wife left, she was at church telling everyone who would listen that it was a temporary thing to work on the relationship. Less than a fortnight later, she was signing divorce papers on me. Cell phone records indicated that all the while she was in close and constant contact with old boyfriends whom she had acquired during the coarse of the marriage. She persisted in coming to church (mind, not with regularity, but showing up and making a point to be seen).
Church leaders came to me several times, knowing that it was uncomfortable for me to see her at church, offering to send her away, offering to suggest that she find a different congregation, and genuinely wanting to act on the best interest of me and my children (her appearances were hugely disruptive to them and their emotional state).

I had forgiven past indiscretions, but there was no question in my mind that I would be going through with the divorce she had initiated. In fact, I forgave her promptly for what she was doing to me then, too. (Forgiving her for her actions as related to the impact that they had on my children took more time, however.) I began a study on divorce, and while I do not profess to be a scholar of any caliber, yes, God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and I do, too.

I could not continue to subject my children to her continued escalating behaviors and the damage that they caused. Certainly not in a way that could be misconstrued as setting the example that such should be tolerated in marriage. Thinking of my children, it had to be done. I went through with the divorce, unable to prove with absolute certainty that their was new infidelity, and knowing that I had fully forgiven her for the infidelity of the past. At the time, I questioned the "Biblicalness" of my divorce, until I reconciled her actions and choices as being against God (without passing judgement, simply basing the accounting on what was indisputable facts). In my meager study of divorce, I came to I Corinthians 7...

I Corinthians 7:13-15
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
But I read one verse further after having found some peace in v15.
From the NIV: "15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?"
I read that again, then started comparing different translations and paraphrases.
Try this one from the MSG: "15-16 On the other hand, if the unbelieving spouse walks out, you’ve got to let him or her go. You don’t have to hold on desperately. God has called us to make the best of it, as peacefully as we can. You never know, wife: The way you handle this might bring your husband not only back to you but to God. You never know, husband: The way you handle this might bring your wife not only back to you but to God."

Believing that the burden of her eternal soul still rested upon me as the man who had been charged to leading her household, I accepted the divorce, but did so at a personal cost by extending to her as much Christian love as I could muster in any given moment. I even told the church leaders, and lay persons, who spoke to me on the matter that she should not be discouraged from attending fellowship and worship services there. She needed, and likely still needs, to get her heart right with God. That takes having positive influences in her life. I know there are those kind of people in my church, but I do not know what, if anything, she would find outside of that congregation. She has departed from me. I cannot be held responsible for her choices. She still lives. She still, as we all do, needs a relationship with Christ Jesus. I have not been the one to cut her off from that, though some of the choices she makes still seem to be severing the cord.

My point, Roh_Chris, is not to say that I handled things perfectly. I didn't. I had my failings along the way. My words are not for my glory, for my glory is naught. My point, dear friend, is to glorify God and His church; for my congregation, knowing this much and more, still welcomes her in when she does choose to come, and still extends to her a hand of love, hoping to make the same difference in her that we should all make in the lives of anyone. We cannot hate the sin so deeply that we hate the sinner, too. And we can love the sinner without condoning the sin. I hope this opens your eyes further to the glory of the body of Christ, the potential to the power of His love, and the work that He can do. If along the way another, perhaps even the original poster, should benefit, then all the better.
 

PopClick

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Ms. Tears, I don't have any advice for you, but others here might. And I will definitely pray for you.

P.S. Welcome to cc. :)
 
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Keevah

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We weren't designed for divorce, so it's one of the most profound wounds. I see mine as being pruned and as I cry, I also affirm that I love, trust and thank God. I've starting thinking of this time as "leaving Egypt". I had hate texts from his new wife on my phone and Facebook before I even knew she existed. One thing I know "Tears", God hasn't lost sight of us. Just do the next thing, let time put distance between you and this nightmare, and accept my huge sisterly hug.
 
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I'm surprised that there are churches which offer services like what you mentioned. I don't mean to offend anybody with my post. In my church, the moment a couple is separated they are eased out of church ministries and other responsibilities they may be holding in the church. <snip>

Chris, I'm sad to hear that your church doesn't pursue those who are found to be slipping away, and support their wounded. There are definitely churches out there, if you look hard enough, that still follow Biblical guidelines on how to love their members as God loves them.

*Warning: personal details to follow. Just skip if not interested. I do believe we should all share our testimonies for the Glory of God. He takes us through things so that we might grow and make his name great.*

In my situation, my husband had an affair and was refusing to set aside the other woman, who was actually the wife of another church member. After appealing to him and not making any progress, I took the issue (and evidence) to my church leaders. They called both he and the other woman in to talk with them. When faced with the pastor and respected elders, they both agreed to quit the affair and we began counseling sessions (separately as couples) with the pastor and his wife.

Despite constant meetings and accountability, they were found to still be seeing one another. Each time they were caught, the pastor confronted the two, who appeared repentant and we started all over again. At this time the congregation did not know anything, as we were trying to reconcile. After a few months they packed up and ran away together. The pastor and several elders actually located the pair and showed up at their hotel in the middle of the night to beg them to see reason and turn back to their spouses and to the Lord. They were prayed over. They were loved and pursued in a Biblical way. They did not turn from their path, but for many months the leaders of my church continued to pursue them. An elder had my husband over for dinner to talk about things. The pastor called him routinely, though he did not respond. They eventually wrote letters of resignation to the church, and asked not to be contacted again. At this point there was nothing to be done but let them go their own way.

Meanwhile, our church family embraced myself and my daughters in such a way that makes me weep even years later to remember. The church had to make an announcement (because myself as well as the husband of the other woman were both on staff at the church) explaining what happened. The outpouring of love and compassion was staggering. Our church family literally grieved with us.

When this happened, my sister told me, "You will hurt for a long time, but you will see your church MOVE in ways that you never imagined." I truly believe that was a message straight from God, and it was true.

There were things I wish I'd done differently. There were things the church leaders should have done differently. But no one was prepared for something of this magnitude in our small congregation, and none of us knew how to handle it. The Lord was with us all though, guiding, teaching, protecting and blessing us through one another.

I pray that everyone can have such a family of believers to worship with. Churches are made up of humans, and humans fail all the time, but when we truly love one another we are made stronger.

I should also say that these things MAY be taking place in your church, Chris, and you just aren't aware of it. After a certain point of unrepentance, church discipline does need to take place, which includes withholding the sacraments and "casting them out from the Body" so that they may be brought before the Lord. This is Biblical. I would hope that those who are without blame would be supported and loved, and that those who are in sin would be pursued to repentance.
 
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Grace, my sister... <HUG>
 
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Chris, I'm sad to hear that your church doesn't pursue those who are found to be slipping away, and support their wounded. There are definitely churches out there, if you look hard enough, that still follow Biblical guidelines on how to love their members as God loves them.

*Warning: personal details to follow. Just skip if not interested. I do believe we should all share our testimonies for the Glory of God. He takes us through things so that we might grow and make his name great.*

In my situation, my husband had an affair and was refusing to set aside the other woman, who was actually the wife of another church member. After appealing to him and not making any progress, I took the issue (and evidence) to my church leaders. They called both he and the other woman in to talk with them. When faced with the pastor and respected elders, they both agreed to quit the affair and we began counseling sessions (separately as couples) with the pastor and his wife.

Despite constant meetings and accountability, they were found to still be seeing one another. Each time they were caught, the pastor confronted the two, who appeared repentant and we started all over again. At this time the congregation did not know anything, as we were trying to reconcile. After a few months they packed up and ran away together. The pastor and several elders actually located the pair and showed up at their hotel in the middle of the night to beg them to see reason and turn back to their spouses and to the Lord. They were prayed over. They were loved and pursued in a Biblical way. They did not turn from their path, but for many months the leaders of my church continued to pursue them. An elder had my husband over for dinner to talk about things. The pastor called him routinely, though he did not respond. They eventually wrote letters of resignation to the church, and asked not to be contacted again. At this point there was nothing to be done but let them go their own way.

Meanwhile, our church family embraced myself and my daughters in such a way that makes me weep even years later to remember. The church had to make an announcement (because myself as well as the husband of the other woman were both on staff at the church) explaining what happened. The outpouring of love and compassion was staggering. Our church family literally grieved with us.

When this happened, my sister told me, "You will hurt for a long time, but you will see your church MOVE in ways that you never imagined." I truly believe that was a message straight from God, and it was true.

There were things I wish I'd done differently. There were things the church leaders should have done differently. But no one was prepared for something of this magnitude in our small congregation, and none of us knew how to handle it. The Lord was with us all though, guiding, teaching, protecting and blessing us through one another.

I pray that everyone can have such a family of believers to worship with. Churches are made up of humans, and humans fail all the time, but when we truly love one another we are made stronger.

I should also say that these things MAY be taking place in your church, Chris, and you just aren't aware of it. After a certain point of unrepentance, church discipline does need to take place, which includes withholding the sacraments and "casting them out from the Body" so that they may be brought before the Lord. This is Biblical. I would hope that those who are without blame would be supported and loved, and that those who are in sin would be pursued to repentance.
I genuinely hate what your ex-husband and this other woman did, but I am so in awe of the goodness of our God and the way that your church body loved you during that time. "Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ." - Gal 6:2
 
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TearsofthePhoenix

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My church, which is a Scottish Catholic, is actually very welcoming. They welcomed my husband when he was pagan before his conversion in 2012, and we are still invited back. Its one of the reasons that I liked this church so much, they were so welcoming. When I was sick while pregnant with my 7 yr old, I was able to go there and pray in the church on off hours in peace. I would still go there but the kids running around, well, I don't get peace then. I have been trying to hold it together but it just seems like its getting worse.
 
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TearsofthePhoenix

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Lynx you are very right in this. This is something that I have considered rather significantly. It hurts, the marriage coming to an end hurts (especially at my age and with so many kids), but I am trying to pick up the pieces and move forward the best I can. Its especially hard right now to keep in my faith, its being challenged that my heart is even being heard.
 
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TearsofthePhoenix

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The last few nights he has left early enough to "drive his roommate to work". In my heart, I am not believing him. He has lied so many times. He has cheated so many times. Everything he is doing now tells me that he has someone else. I have to admit that he is good for the kids, he loves them and they him. He tries to be a good dad, but I guess he never took the "better or worse" as seriously as I did. I have fought for my marriage so many times. Through so many things he has done that damaged me so deeply and left gaping scarred wounds. I have tried to forgive him, only for him to do it again and always I am to blame. I am pretty sure he is setting up to blindside me with a full move out not just this temporary "To get his head together" thing and I am almost certain he has a woman on the side that he is refusing to admit about. We are in counseling, but not christian, and I wish it were christian based. However the counselor seemed to understand a bit more the dynamic going on. We return tomorrow night... Its almost a dread and a relief. If he would just end things like a swift axe it would be so much easier to heal from, not drawing it out like he has for the last three weeks.

To everyone that has replied, thank you so much for being so welcoming. I cannot be grateful enough.
 

tourist

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The last few nights he has left early enough to "drive his roommate to work". In my heart, I am not believing him. He has lied so many times. He has cheated so many times. Everything he is doing now tells me that he has someone else. I have to admit that he is good for the kids, he loves them and they him. He tries to be a good dad, but I guess he never took the "better or worse" as seriously as I did. I have fought for my marriage so many times. Through so many things he has done that damaged me so deeply and left gaping scarred wounds. I have tried to forgive him, only for him to do it again and always I am to blame. I am pretty sure he is setting up to blindside me with a full move out not just this temporary "To get his head together" thing and I am almost certain he has a woman on the side that he is refusing to admit about. We are in counseling, but not christian, and I wish it were christian based. However the counselor seemed to understand a bit more the dynamic going on. We return tomorrow night... Its almost a dread and a relief. If he would just end things like a swift axe it would be so much easier to heal from, not drawing it out like he has for the last three weeks.

To everyone that has replied, thank you so much for being so welcoming. I cannot be grateful enough.
The swift axe fell a long time ago. You really do not need to attend counseling but should be consulting a divorce lawyer. Make sure this scum bag pays a lot of child support. You are right to forgive him but that does not mean that you must accept his abuse of betraying your trust time and again. It only takes one incidence of infidelity to destroy a marriage. The swift axe for you fell during the first time that he cheated on you. I don't care squat about this loser getting his head together as my prayers go out to you and your children. What a horrible mess. Please allow God to swept your house clean and restore peace to your soul.
 
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TearsofthePhoenix

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The swift axe fell a long time ago. You really do not need to attend counseling but should be consulting a divorce lawyer. Make sure this scum bag pays a lot of child support. You are right to forgive him but that does not mean that you must accept his abuse of betraying your trust time and again. It only takes one incidence of infidelity to destroy a marriage. The swift axe for you fell during the first time that he cheated on you. I don't care squat about this loser getting his head together as my prayers go out to you and your children. What a horrible mess. Please allow God to swept your house clean and restore peace to your soul.
Tourist, thank you for your support. I am still struggling with my faith in all of this. Its hard to find that when things are so dark right now. When I am here alone, with three little kids, and no job and no income. When I cannot even afford day care should I start working again (which I am working on, but it may take a bit for the job to come through being its dependent upon someone else).

I have built a life with this man, knowing he had a mental illness, and accepting him just the same. I took vows of better or worse, sickness or health. I also kick myself over and over again for taking him back after the first time he physically cheated and walked out on us. Then I look at the last six years and think "It wasn't all bad". Especially when we had two more children, who are utterly amazing, during that time.

The axe may have fallen but a person can make that mistake, once, in a relationship and they can change. I have also seen marriages touched by infidelity and last 40+ years even after everything that was said or done, and they are happy and stronger than ever before.

I know that the reason I took him back was my 1st ex-husbands words. I walked out on him (1st husband) after him not being able to stay faithful and being irresponsible. I left and took one child and then got custody of the other in six months when he hit rock bottom and in jail. My reasons for leaving was to get my head together, to find me, to get on my own feet and discover who I was. I was young and I was lost and it was during this time I found God and I found my place in life. When I was ready to come back and try again, he told me "No.". This is something that he regretted for a very long time, so he (1st husband) told me to not do to my (current) husband what he did to me (telling me I could not come home). So, with that in mind I took my (current) husband back and I continued to every time he hurt me.

Maybe I am just too hopeful that things work out and people can have happily ever after. I am not even sure I make any sense anymore.
 

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Maybe I am just too hopeful that things work out and people can have happily ever after. I am not even sure I make any sense anymore.
You do make sense and who am I to decide that you are not taking the sensible approach on this terrible situation. Prayerfully and hopefully your husband will be filing for divorce in short order as he is not fit to be your husband. I realize that this is a scary prospect with you considering the financial aspects but please trust in the Lord to be with you in each step of the way.
 
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TearsofthePhoenix

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You do make sense and who am I to decide that you are not taking the sensible approach on this terrible situation. Prayerfully and hopefully your husband will be filing for divorce in short order as he is not fit to be your husband. I realize that this is a scary prospect with you considering the financial aspects but please trust in the Lord to be with you in each step of the way.
In this, maybe you are very right. All these years I have felt not good enough for him. Maybe the truth in it all, was that he was not good enough for me. In my opinion a spouse should be grateful and hold on to someone who has been hurt so much by them, even he has admitted he has screwed up a lot in this marriage. Then he should at least be grateful that I stood by him even when I didn't want to, because that is what a wife does...