Head Knowledge Becoming Heart Knowledge - How's It Done?

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Tintin

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So, I've been a Christian for as long as I can remember. I'm both creative and analytical (but I'm not all that logical). It's an interesting combination. As such, I struggle with head knowledge (regarding God, faith) becoming heart knowledge. I want to learn to know God more intimately but I seem to over think things. I know I have salvation in Him and I've definitely grown in my faith but I don't know that I see much fruit in my life. I want to find a good balance between head and heart knowledge, as I don't want to put my brain on hold (I believe God did give it to me for a reason). Anyone able to challenge me/encourage me/support me in this? Thoughts? Cheers.
 
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Inu

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I agree with you when you speak about the brain and it being there for a reason. I think many people struggle with finding a balance between their heart and mind, I often do. There's this one thing my pastor said to me, that has stuck with me for a long time....he said: "Let your mind sift out the emotions of your heart". Its about letting your emotions and thoughts yield to the word of God.

Sometimes we need to make a decision with our head and allow our heart to catch up.... I think that that without our mind, our emotions will overrule us and eventually we will become a slave to it... and without the heart, we may become to hard, we may lose all sense of feelings.

There are seasons we go through as Christians... seasons of ploughing, of harvesting and of reaping. You need to determine which season you are in and I know, from my personal experiences, it is easy to be in that season of ploughing and be wondering, "where are my fruits" , but don't lose sight of Jeremiah 29:11. Your fruits are on it's way:)
 

cinder

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I think brainy people often get the short end of the stick in modern Christianity. Nothing wrong with spiritual experience but sooner or later you do need the tools to discern whether that spiritual experience was God or another spirit.

Things I know that are true of myself (as a fellow analytical over thinking believer):
if in any area of my life godliness has become the norm, I don't notice it.
If everyone around me finds some quality of my faith remarkable, it's just possible that it is a remarkable work of God in me that has just become normal to me.
I sometimes have to consciously take into account the God factor (i.e. if I believe God is or has A then the only reasonable response is B).
Obedience often precedes understanding.
God is bigger than my mistakes

One thing that really also helped me was learning to dance in worship. Now I'm not any kind of great dancer, but just to break through my reserve and use my whole body to express or act out what I was saying in worship was something that helped me find a more personal and emotional connection with God (and yes you can start with worship music on an iPod in the privacy of your own home and if getting one hand or maybe even both in the air is a big stretch start there).
 

Roh_Chris

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I know what you're going through so I will do my best to answer your question. If I understood you clearly, you want to know where do you draw the line between your head/heart when it comes to following God. (Correct me if I'm wrong).

Let me show you how it works for me. My relationship with God is like a Father-child relationship. I believe that is the liberty God has given me - to behave as how a child would behave with his father. I am allowed to play within certain boundaries. These boundaries are defined by God's love for me and by His chastisements.

I am not a person who would accept anything merely on face-value. I need to be fully convinced about the matter before I accept it. I follow the same principle when it comes to believing in God and in His Word. I believe that this is the liberty given to me by God (I thank Him for it), albeit with certain clearly defined boundaries. I can question, prove or debate with Him as long as I don't cross these lines -

- God is beyond my intelligence and is far beyond my understanding.
- I may not understand or know everything owing to my limited intelligence.
- God always has my best interests in His mind - even if it is a situation/issue I cannot accept right now.
- Being the Redeemer of my soul who is more concerned about my soul in eternity, He has the liberty to lead me through paths that are contrary to what I have prayed for.


It is like how a child may not understand his father at all times. We can try and reason it with our limited intelligence but there are certain questions to which we may never receive the answer. The only answer we can give lies in Romans 8:28.

Let me share with you one personal experience which rattled me. A couple that I was close to were going through a very difficult path. The husband was diagnosed with brain tumour which was in an advanced stage. The couple had only been married for two years and they had a baby girl who was about 8 months at the time when he was diagnosed. To me, this felt like a test of faith for the couple - where God was trying them to see if they still loved Him.

Though his condition worsened and he had to go in for chemotherapy, we all believed that God would lead them out of this victoriously. So firm was our faith that I think most of us (those who were close to the couple) were praising God in faith for the healing He was to give the husband. And he did start recovering well. Though the tumour left him paralysed and he lost the ability to speak, he slowly started regaining them. Within a couple of months, he was able to mouth out a few phrases and lift his fingers with some difficulty. I was so sure that God would soon raise him up and make him a testimony. But all of a sudden, his condition deteriorated. He stopped responding to treatments and it looked like a relapse. Unfortunately, after suffering for a couple of weeks he passed away. This was a big blow to all of us. I found it hard to accept that God had done this to a couple which was so happy in Him. I refused to accept it and I questioned God over and over again about this. It is only now, more than a year after his demise, that I have accepted his death and that God has the right to do things with us as He pleases.

What I want to tell you is that we may not always understand what He does. Yes, we can question God about it and try our best to understand why He did what He did. And God, on His part, will answer our questions. But if we don't get the answer for our questions, then we must realise that He is beyond our understanding. Our God is an awesome God. :)
 
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Gandalf

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I am an analytical OVER thinker, very logical. What really helped me in my relationship with God was when I started to listen to a pastor explaining the Hebrew (and also the deeper meaning of the Hebrew culture of certain things) in the Bible. It became so apparent and easy to see that there was actually no doubt that God does exist and that He had the same plan from day one. I think the Hebrew gives us an intimate knowledge of God where the English is a translation from a translation and although we can still have intimate meetings with God it is as if He keeps the “golden nuggets” for the ones searching Him in His creation language.

Keep the faith brother and good luck!
 
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1still_waters

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So, I've been a Christian for as long as I can remember. I'm both creative and analytical (but I'm not all that logical). It's an interesting combination. As such, I struggle with head knowledge (regarding God, faith) becoming heart knowledge. I want to learn to know God more intimately but I seem to over think things. I know I have salvation in Him and I've definitely grown in my faith but I don't know that I see much fruit in my life. I want to find a good balance between head and heart knowledge, as I don't want to put my brain on hold (I believe God did give it to me for a reason). Anyone able to challenge me/encourage me/support me in this? Thoughts? Cheers.
I think the dichotomy of head vs heart knowledge is a false dichotomy that can yield bad results.
It sets up knowledge as potentially evil.

Some people who want to promote "heart knowledge", often say things like, "I don't worry about all that head knowledge, I just love Jesus."

How can you love Jesus if you don't know how?

We need to toss out the head knowledge vs. heart knowledge lens.
The Bible encourages strong pursuits of wisdom and knowledge, and the lens leads people to be less persistent and passionate in the pursuit.

Jesus had a better lens.
His lens was hypocrisy vs obedience.

Matthew 23
27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs,which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
Obedience comes through applying the Gospel.
The Gospel is the ONLY thing capable of freeing us from our sin of hypocrisy.
The Gospel is the power of God.
Failure to see Jesus and the Gospel is what kept those religious leaders stuck in their hypocrisy.

Romans 1
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”[f]
It's time we quit demeaning Bible knowledge by creating this false dichotomy of head vs. heart knowledge.
This dichotomy vilifies the pursuit.

You can't properly fear and love God without knowing what he wants.
Once you know what he wants, you need the Gospel to free you from your sinful hypocrisy.

Proverbs 1
22 “How long will you who are simple love your simple ways?
How long will mockers delight in mockery
and fools hate knowledge?
23 Repent at my rebuke!
Then I will pour out my thoughts to you,
I will make known to you my teachings.
Prov 2
2 Make your ear attentive to wisdom,
Incline your heart to understanding;
3 For if you cry for discernment,
[a]Lift your voice for understanding;
4 If you seek her as silver
And search for her as for hidden treasures;

5 Then you will discern the fear of the Lord
And discover the knowledge of God.
6 For the Lord gives wisdom;
The problem isn't too much knowledge, the problem is too little Gospel power applied.
 
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Lynx

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Yeah, what 1still_waters said. (I thought I got up relatively early but people always get up earlier and steal what I was going to say...)

As to the thread title, the difference between knowing something in your head and knowing it in your heart is experience. You can describe the ocean to me, but I've never been there so all I know is what you told me. If I ever have a reason to go to the ocean I will experience it for myself - something more than just head knowledge. That's why the church elders keep testifying that this life with God gets sweeter as you go. The more you experience, the more you know it it your heart, not just your head.

As to what you said in the OP about balance... there is no balance between head and heart knowledge. As I learn more of God I love/trust/respect Him more.
Remember the Bereans? Acts chapter 17.
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
 

Jilly81

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Brother Tin, what jumped out at me when I read your OP was that you said that you hadn't seen much fruit in your life. The thing is, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance (maybe others are mentioned in other parts of scripture; these are the 9 in Galatians 5:22-23). I've seen each one of these fruits in your posts. Perhaps it's much harder for you to see since it's your own walk, but they're very visible to me. I'm CERTAINLY not saying "you're good; don't worry about growing more". Heaven help us if we take that horrible attitude, but there have been many times that I've seen your avatar on my activity feed and I read the whole post because your upbeat, kind attitude was what I knew was going to cheer me up right then. It's always nice to send you a message because I know I'll receive a friendly "dear sister, it's good to hear from you!" as part of the return message. My recommendation is to pray for more fruit and growth in your life; Jesus knows how to do all that (and I just prayed that for you as well). Sharing Him with others is vital to growth too, as you know. Seriously though, to think that your life shows no fruit is downright laughable, my dear brother TinTin :).
 

tourist

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So, I've been a Christian for as long as I can remember. I'm both creative and analytical (but I'm not all that logical). It's an interesting combination. As such, I struggle with head knowledge (regarding God, faith) becoming heart knowledge. I want to learn to know God more intimately but I seem to over think things. I know I have salvation in Him and I've definitely grown in my faith but I don't know that I see much fruit in my life. I want to find a good balance between head and heart knowledge, as I don't want to put my brain on hold (I believe God did give it to me for a reason). Anyone able to challenge me/encourage me/support me in this? Thoughts? Cheers.
Perhaps you don't see much fruit in your life because of your humble nature. The fruit we bear is a manifestation of our salvation and not the source of it. I am sure that you have bore enough fruit to fill up the banana section in the produce department at the supermarket near you. As for myself, I am currently filling up the honeydew section. This is not of my own design but only from the grace of God and the degree that I have submitted my own will and desire to the Lord and have applied the acquired knowledge and wisdom to my life.
 
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Tintin

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Inu, Cinder, Roh_Chris and Gandalf, thanks so much, guys. :)

Still, I'm not saying I want to abandon reason for revelation. After all, a well-reasoned faith is a worthwhile faith. Some good points though.

Lynx, yes. I'm look for more intimacy with God. After all, we should experience this special relationship with Him.

Thanks, Tourist. I'm not perfect. I'm not an arrogant person but I have my prideful moments. Still, maybe there's some truth to what you say.

Jilly, thank you for your encouraging words, my dear sister. I guess we can be our own worst enemies at times or just not recognise stuff because we're in the midst of it. I will pray for more fruit and growth in my life. Thanks again. :)
 
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Jullianna

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For me, becoming more intimate with God has always been the same as becoming intimate with anyone else - by devoting plenty of private time with them. Investing in the relationship. Taking the time to get alone with Him, talking and prayerfully reading the Word. Praying that throughout the day He will help my spirit be quiet enough not to miss those special moments when He wants to show me something.

As others have said, it is important not to neglect head knowledge for heart knowledge, and vice versa. To do so can lead to emotional highs/lows and worshipping feelings rather than God, or self-righteousness, arrogance, legalism and/or lukewarmness (don't care if that's not a word..it fits :) ) and can cause us to chase rabbit trails that can be self-destructive.

For me, understanding that the Word is not just words on a page, but the living Word of God helps. It is God breathed (like us: Genesis 2:7; Isaiah 42:5), so that's how I want to receive it.
 
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Tintin

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For me, becoming more intimate with God has always been the same as becoming intimate with anyone else - by devoting plenty of private time with them. Investing in the relationship. Taking the time to get alone with Him, talking and prayerfully reading the Word. Praying that throughout the day He will help my spirit be quiet enough not to miss those special moments when He wants to show me something.

As others have said, it is important not to neglect head knowledge for heart knowledge, and vice versa. To do so can lead to emotional highs/lows and worshipping feelings rather than God, or self-righteousness, arrogance, legalism and/or lukewarmness (don't care if that's not a word..it fits :) ) and can cause us to chase rabbit trails that can be self-destructive.

For me, understanding that the Word is not just words on a page, but the living Word of God helps. It is God breathed (like us: Genesis 2:7; Isaiah 42:5), so that's how I want to receive it.
Awesome, just awesome! Thank so much, Julianna!
 
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dalconn

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If you're posting your thoughts on a Christian website then your are speaking from the heart. The word says from the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks! You're there brother!






1 Peter 4:11-13King James Version (KJV)


11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
 
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Tintin

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Thanks, brothers and sisters! My youngest brother has said he's noticed that I'm growing closer to God so that's very encouraging.
 
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BananaPie

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Psalm 139

1 O Lord, You have searched me and known me.

2
You know my sitting down and my rising up;
You understand my thought afar off.

3
You comprehend my path and my lying down,
And are acquainted with all my ways.

4
For there is not a word on my tongue,
But behold, O Lord, You know it altogether.

5
You have hedged me behind and before,
And laid Your hand upon me.

6
Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
It is high, I cannot attain it.


7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?

8
If I ascend into heaven, You are there;

If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.


9
If I take the wings of the morning,

And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,


10
Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.

11
If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall
on me,”
Even the night shall be light about me;

12
Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You,
But the night shines as the day;
The darkness and the light are both alike to You.


13 For You formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.

14
I will praise You, for I am fearfully
and wonderfully made;
Marvelous are Your works, and that my soul knows very well.

15
My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16
Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them.


17 How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God!
How great is the sum of them!

18
If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand;
When I awake, I am still with You.
...
23 Search me, O God, and know my heart;
Try me, and know my anxieties;

24
And see if there is any wicked way in me,
And lead me in the way everlasting. :)

Maranatha!