How has your political/world view changed since you became a Christian?

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JimJimmers

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My personal views seem to be constantly evolving, so I was curious about this. I was going to post a poll, but this site is international and I can't think of good words to use that would encompass the whole world (i.e. Liberal, Conservative etc.)


Is there a major topic or issue that you did a 180 on since you gave your life to Jesus?

By the way, no discussion of other members' political views in your replies. I am looking for honest answers, not a rousing debate.

I'll start off and say my attitude towards some of the extremely wealthy has changed as I grow in Christ. Reading the book of James made me see that, while having money is not evil, money gained by unfairly paying your workers is wrong in God's eyes. (Not that I thought it was a good thing to underpay your workers, it was more of a free-market vs. do-what's-right type of thing.)
 
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arwen-undomiel

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I've never had much of a political view before being Christian, or at least I've never labeled myself as such. I dunno what to label myself. I guess compared to American Conservative- I'm more liberal. I don't necessarily agree with everything under the Canadian Liberal umbrella. But in some ways, I'm conservative. I dunno. I can't be boxed. It's more fluid. My mind is open to new information but it is always held against my beliefs and values.
 
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arwen-undomiel

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Like gay people. My co-worker is a lesbian. While I don't believe it's bibically right, I am not going to shame her or tell her she is sinning and needs to change or whatever. I'm not gonna even bother to get into it. She's a human being. And I am going to relate to her as such. Same with other faiths. I've worked with Muslims and Hindus. In a way, I leave my political religious views at home, or use them in my actions and relate to people as people. I don't believe what they do, if they do not follow Christ, I believe that they are on the wrong path, but I can only be an example. I'm not gonna bother getting all preachy. Too much energy and I just don't care to.
 
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Outlook dismal.
 
JimJimmers

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arwen-undomiel said:
Like gay people. My co-worker is a lesbian. While I don't believe it's bibically right, I am not going to shame her or tell her she is sinning and needs to change or whatever. I'm not gonna even bother to get into it. She's a human being. And I am going to relate to her as such. Same with other faiths. I've worked with Muslims and Hindus. In a way, I leave my political religious views at home, or use them in my actions and relate to people as people. I don't believe what they do, if they do not follow Christ, I believe that they are on the wrong path, but I can only be an example. I'm not gonna bother getting all preachy. Too much energy and I just don't care to.
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I hope this isn't breaking my no-response rule, but I agree, Arwen.


¶ I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the
covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye
judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
 
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JimJimmers said:
My personal views seem to be constantly evolving, so I was curious about this. I was going to post a poll, but this site is international and I can't think of good words to use that would encompass the whole world (i.e. Liberal, Conservative etc.)


Is there a major topic or issue that you did a 180 on since you gave your life to Jesus?

By the way, no discussion of other members' political views in your replies. I am looking for honest answers, not a rousing debate.

I'll start off and say my attitude towards some of the extremely wealthy has changed as I grow in Christ. Reading the book of James made me see that, while having money is not evil, money gained by unfairly paying your workers is wrong in God's eyes. (Not that I thought it was a good thing to underpay your workers, it was more of a free-market vs. do-what's-right type of thing.)
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Christian morals and economics 101.

When I first got into politics, as a teenager, I easily labeled myself a democrat. I thought, "Oh wel-fare, that's nice" and over heard someone say "Democrats are for the poor" and I thought "huh, I'm sort of poor.. that sounds good" lol Little did I know that democrats and liberalism is not an ideology that supports Christian values. Abortion. Murdering babies is not Godly. Same-sex marriage on a moral level is not Godly. God calls it an abomination and giving sin in general a casual look as some people give... is a red flag.

Open your eyes, there's a cultural war going on and Christian culture is being attacked. The people who are casual about such issues are naive and not helping our Christian culture.

That was the major turn. Also, economics 101 class made me more sure of conservative economics.
 
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I never paid much attention to politics before becoming a Christian. I was too young to vote, and just never had much interest. Now though I definitely see if the person holds (supports) Christian values. Same sex-marriage and abortion being the first things I look at.

If a candidate is for same-sex marriage and/or abortion that is normally as far as I need to look.

Honestly though, when it comes to politics you're simply hoping to vote for the lesser of two evils. Maybe that's a bit blunt, and possibly outright wrong, but its the best way I know to word it. I'm never going to agree on everything a politician does.

I don't identify with any party or what have you.
 
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arwen-undomiel

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I would say that I am pro-life, not pro-choice, but I'm not one to shove my opinion down someones throat. If a girl came up to me mentioning she was considering abortion, I would seriously sit down and speak with her, but otherwise, I don't picket or anything. People will choose what they will. Usually forcefully trying to change someones mind about something accomplishes the exact opposite of what is purposed.
 
Lynx

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It will be interesting to see how the no-debate rule holds up in this thread. Not because anyone here just itches for a debate, but because in my experience discussing politics and discussing religion are blood poison to each other.

Ahem... anyway, to the topic at hand: I grew up in church so I can't really say my view of politics changed when I became a christian. I observe though that I don't gripe about politics like many of the people I know carry on. I can have peace in troubled times (although have there ever NOT been troubled times?) because God is still ultimately in control.

One side effect of being a christian though... I don't find president jokes funny. I don't really like our current president, don't agree with a lot of things he's doing, but making fun of him just for a laugh rubs me the wrong way. I didn't like jokes about the president before him either. Just doesn't sit well with my ethics somehow.
 
zeroturbulence

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I used to be pro-democrat when clinton was in office and I still think he did a pretty good job, and I used to think conservatives were sort of like these super straight-laced, anal-retentive, god-crazy, bible-thumping freaks. Now.... not so much. :)

Reading the bible did change my views, but the clincher was when Barry took office and started changing things around (obamacare, 'holiday tree' instead of 'christmas tree', ignoring the recession, investing billions in failed green energy start-ups like Solyndra, blaming the sequester on republicans, cancelling AIRSHOWS! playing golf all the time, etc...).
 
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I began to see the world with less rosy glasses. Far more broken. And I thought it was pretty screwed up already. Before I became passionate about serving Christ, I wanted to do as much as I could to save it. Now I realize that I can't save it. Only He can, and He has done everything to make it happen. What I need to be passionate about is sharing HIM if I'm to play any part at all in its healing.

When I was very young, I was very active in politics, but seeing so much corruption and compromise discouraged that. Money and power being prized far above human life and/or dignity. And it didn't matter which party it was. Now I only support candidates I personally know and/or research well, regardless of political affiliation, who truly stand for things I believe. Their record must line up with their mouth.

I'm a firm believer in the balance of power/checks and balances system. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. I tend to be highly conservative from the state level up, and less so from there down, as the dispensing of funds and services becomes a bit more compassionate and personalized.

I am pro-life from conception to the grave. I believe in caring for those who cannot help themselves, but believe that anyone who CAN work, should work, even if only in a volunteer capacity. Surely everyone is capable of contributing something, even if it is being a good listener, reading to children/the elderly, or praying/encouraging others.
 
secularhermit

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I regret the JWs do not vote or avoid it. No doubt we are not to change it by voting, but more voters would help @balance@ the chaos...
 
JimJimmers

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secularhermit said:
I regret the JWs do not vote or avoid it. No doubt we are not to change it by voting, but more voters would help @balance@ the chaos...
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I'm not sure what you mean. Jehovah's Witnesses? You are a Jehovah's witness, and therefore don't vote?
 
JimJimmers

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arwen-undomiel said:
I would say that I am pro-life, not pro-choice, but I'm not one to shove my opinion down someones throat. If a girl came up to me mentioning she was considering abortion, I would seriously sit down and speak with her, but otherwise, I don't picket or anything. People will choose what they will. Usually forcefully trying to change someones mind about something accomplishes the exact opposite of what is purposed.
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Just curious Arwen, were you pro-choice before you became a Christian?
 
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I think I've become more cognizant of the 'great divide' of all society. Those who have much and those with little have. I've come to realize there are many more layers than I once thought. And I question my own motives when I hold animosity toward one group over another. I mean, when I think about some CEO for a company making so much while a low scale worker makes so little, I think of the injustice in that - like is it really economically sound for a guy to make a thousand times what his worker do? - but on the other hand I question my motive. Do I think it's unjust because of the obvious discrepancy or because I covet what my neighbor has? Then on a more global scale, I think - am I really a person that deserves to not wonder where my next meal is coming from? What shelter will i find tonight? Am I somehow better or more blessed or work harder than the guy who IS doing those thing right now and doesn't have a laptop to complain about it? It makes me ashamed.

Then I think if I give all I have to the poor, will I find myself in their situation very soon? Don't I even have the faith the size of a grain of mustard seed? Why do I store up my own "riches" in a place that can be broken into and stolen?

it almost puts me in the same place as the rich CEO, doesn't it. Who am I to disparage him.

I can't rectify it. I'm not that smart. Neither are our politics.
 
Lynx

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Someone will say it eventually, so let's get it over with now.

 
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JimJimmers said:
Just curious Arwen, were you pro-choice before you became a Christian?
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Well not really. Like I've always kinda was christian since I was little. Just had years of not taking my faith seriously at all (I'm not exactly sure when I became a Christian). I don't think I cared to have an opinion during those times. I knew someone in my early 20s who had an abortion when she was young, I remember feeling deep down a discomfort knowing she had. I felt like it was wrong. I never expressed it, but boy did I feel it.
 
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arwen-undomiel

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The type of gun laws/rights the U.S. has, I am against. And I am glad we do not have here. Canadians civils still can get guns, it's harder. And they must remain in the house or for hunting use. My folks live near coyotes, wolves, theres been cougar sightings too, I think they should get a gun for those reasons. Their pug-shitzu (aka the ugliest dog on earth), would be a nice appetizer.
 
Lynx

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If you see one of my canadian lynx cousins, don't shoot it!

But for cougars you can fire when ready. They're much more likely to eat something of yours.
 
JesusLives

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When I was younger didn't really have an opinion and couldn't choose sides so I registered as an Independent just missed voting in my first presidential election by one month as they had given 18 year olds the right to vote and the election was November and I turned 18 in December...I was bummed.

Then when I hit my early 20's I decided that my ideals lined up with the Republicans more than Democrats as it seemed the Dems were giving all the money away and I was a single mother making it on my own without welfare I figured other people could too. Most all of my family were Democrats so I was the lone fish swimming up stream....

Then a few years back the Republicans started to tick me off with some of the decisions made so I switched to Democrat not because I really follow and believe in all their ideals but I wanted to still be able to vote in the primaries. Since the switch I have not been able to vote for a president in the last few elections as I didn't feel there was a good choice from either party and I wrote myself in as this Blond couldn't do any worse than what has been going on.

I look forward to God's eternal government where things will be run perfect and at the risk of ruffling a few feathers I would just like to say that God is a pro choice God. Not the way you are thinking but in the way that He allows all of His creations to have a free will and choose their path - Good or evil. God has never forced any of us to do what He wants us to do.

God gave us the rules of His government and asked us to obey them and only through the power of the Holy Spirit can this ever be done. God's rules are rules of Love toward Him and our fellow men and His word is eternal. So I would just like to say I look forward to the only One World Order that will ever work and that is when Jesus is Lord of Lord and King of Kings. What a wonderful world/government that will be, Peace, Love, Sinless, for eternity..... Are we there yet?

P.S. The Blond knows that only through the blood of Jesus and His grace that she is saved.
 
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