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jeremyPJ

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I've been going to a non-Christian counselor for about three years now, and I'm reasonably happy. However, the folks at my church are convinced that I really need to go to a Christian counselor. Aside from the obvious, what difference can this make for me? I know nothing about this subject, please help! :)
 
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Ugly

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Well, even this can vary, depending on the person. Some 'Christian' counselors still teach a lot of crap in their sessions. But i'm currently seeing a Christian counselor (didn't know she was a Christian when i started) and she will mix in the bible and God into things. Sometimes, rather than just working on my mental stuff she'll challenge me spiritually as well. So if you get a true Christian counselor that may be the difference. And they may be less inclined to teach some of the other teachings often found in secular psychology. Namely either atheism or new age.
 

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All I know is most of the people at my church seem fairly happy most of the time. If I had a major problem I'd probably talk to someone at church. I don't know about professional christian counselors though.

Some advice I gave the young people last time I preached: "There's a lot of ways to live your life, and you can't try them all because you only have one life. If you want to have a good life, here's a tip - find some elders who are reasonably happy and ask them how they did it. Don't ask the grumpy ones... they went through life and it made them grumpy. Whatever they tried, it didn't seem to work. Oh, and for the record, most of the elders here at church seem fairly happy with life. Just saying."
 

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I think the biggest difference to me would obviously be the philosophy/worldview behind the counseling. Secular counseling is going to typically encourage you more towards self-actualization while biblical counseling is hopefully going to encourage you towards healing and spiritual growth under the canopy of the gospel. But at the same time, as Ugly said, not all Christian counselors are that helpful and sometimes they can overspiritualize things (which is easy to do).
My sister had a 12-month period or so where she struggled a lot with depression and anxiety, and she was a student at a Christian university at the time. She decided to take advantage of their counseling center, but in the one or two sessions she had, she was not helped at all whatsoever and actually left feeling accused of having done some kind of wrong to cause her struggles. Pretty ridiculous, right? So for me personally, I would go to see a Christian counselor first, but whether or not they are helpful really depends on the counselor.
 
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BananaPie

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Christian counseling is usually not covered by insurance; therefore, the out-of-pocket expense can get expensive very quickly.

Christian counseling usually involves direct verses from the Bible to identify the problem as well as to cope with the problem, or verses on how to overcome the problem. Christian counseling also involves praying with the therapist.

Christian counseling is only as good as the Lord is involved, and you're goal is complete surrender to God, willing to change for the better. If the therapist is the one calling-the-shots, then you may as well do secular therapy covered by your insurance. :)
 
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Wormwood

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I suspect a little bit of shortsightedness in that recommendation. Those recommending seeing a Christian counselor are probably doing so from a good place, but if you are happy with your therapist, and as long as said therapist isn't saying or doing anything that conflicts with your morals, there's not a lot of reason to opt out of seeing them in lieu of a like-minded one.

It's worth exploring, sure. Hopefully nobody is pressuring you to default to doing so based on your faith, though.
 
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sassylady

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I don't see a problem with whether they are a Christian or not. My daughters have had both and are doing best at this time with counselors that are not Christian. One Christian counselor still didn't have all the same beliefs as we do so that made it difficult at times. I'd just stay with the counselor you "click" with.
 
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twofeet

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1 King 22:5 First seek the counsel God", 2 Ch 18:4 First seek the counsel of God ( I love it when Gods word repeats itself, it shows its important) Isa 9:6 Wonderful Counsellor, mighty God Jn 14:16 he will give you another counsellor.

There are many more scriptures that talk about who our counsellor should be.

So personally, as a christian, I do not understand any need for any other counsellor christian or not?
 
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Wormwood

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1 King 22:5 First seek the counsel God", 2 Ch 18:4 First seek the counsel of God ( I love it when Gods word repeats itself, it shows its important) Isa 9:6 Wonderful Counsellor, mighty God Jn 14:16 he will give you another counsellor.

There are many more scriptures that talk about who our counsellor should be.

So personally, as a christian, I do not understand any need for any other counsellor christian or not?
I don't mean for this to seem contentious, because I really like the heart of what you're saying here, and I think it's good you feel the way you do about the subject. :) I feel like throwing these verses at the OP might be taken as being chided, though, possibly causing him to feel guilty, even.

Your verses are not decrying seeking counselors, and there are several verses and Biblical instances that promote advisers (Proverbs 11:14, Proverbs 15:22, Chronicles 27:32-34, Matthew 23:34, etc.). He's here seeking counsel from brothers and sisters in Christ and comparing it with advice from other like minds; absolutely representing Proverbs 15:22. :)
 
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Ugly

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1 King 22:5 First seek the counsel God", 2 Ch 18:4 First seek the counsel of God ( I love it when Gods word repeats itself, it shows its important) Isa 9:6 Wonderful Counsellor, mighty God Jn 14:16 he will give you another counsellor.

There are many more scriptures that talk about who our counsellor should be.

So personally, as a christian, I do not understand any need for any other counsellor christian or not?
Usually people who say and believe this have not had a need for one. The lack of understanding, and often times sympathy, is a surefire sign of a person that's not gone through things they felt they couldn't handle, or haven't had existing mental issues to contend with. Therefore the validity of someone with no experience or understanding falls short.
 
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twofeet

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Usually people who say and believe this have not had a need for one. The lack of understanding, and often times sympathy, is a surefire sign of a person that's not gone through things they felt they couldn't handle, or haven't had existing mental issues to contend with. Therefore the validity of someone with no experience or understanding falls short.

Good job Im not your "usual" person then Ugly.

I have found that despite my mother trying to abort me, then put me in home ( the only one of 4 kids she did not want) then being adopted by an abusive mother who then also disowned me that Jesus wants me and Im accepted by my heavenly Father and he is has proven to be better than ANY earthly Father could have been. He gives me my Identity, not people. He knows who I am, who He made me to be, not people.

I have found that even though I have been battered and beaten and threatened to be killed on countless occassions, physically, mentally, verbally and sexually assaulted that I have a God that can heal my spirit regardless of what man can do to me. My God is outside of time, He can be with me, healing me, comforting me so that the trauma in my spirit can heal and I can be whole. He came to set the captives free, he came to heal the broken hearted, to replace ashes with beauty and dancing from mourning.

I have found as a single mother raising 3 kids, juggling work, running a home that God can be my provider and my strength, my ever present help in time of need.

Those that wait upon the Lord SHALL renew their strength (and those that dont wont).

I will repeat myself, He is a wonderful Counsellor and without His love, His healing, His comfort, His guidance I doubt if I be alive today.........oh and yes, he delievered me from drugs wthout the need of help too.

Me personally I would rather spend hours seeking His face than looking to mans "wise" words. I wrote my original post to encourage people to look to God rather than man....sorry that it causes so much offence!
 

ChandlerFan

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God can use man to communicate His wisdom to people, so even though a person may be looking to God for strength and wisdom, that does not mean they are in the wrong for seeking wise counsel from people as well. In fact, it is something the Bible encourages.
 
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pastac

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The key is wise counsel. All Christian counselors do not give wise counsel as don't secular counselors it is a time to seek God if you know him and allow him to speak to you through who he chooses for you. Just some thoughts if he used a donkey to relay a message he sure can use a non Christian counselor to relay a message as well.
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Wormwood

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Me personally I would rather spend hours seeking His face than looking to mans "wise" words. I wrote my original post to encourage people to look to God rather than man....sorry that it causes so much offence!
Aw, I hope nobody took offense, and I hope you didn't take any offense to us. I do believe we should seek Him first, after all. :D Earthly counsel should be secondary, yes, but still considered.

While I cannot relate to what you've been through, I can definitely see your side of things, given all that you've had to endure from other people. I imagine their actions have more or less diminished any concept of "wisdom" in your fellow man in your eyes. You get a big kudos from me for your prevailing outlook, twofeet!
 

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I hold an MS in counseling from a secular university, though I studied counseling in Bible college, and 2 different universities. Probably the majority of people do not understand what counseling is about, though it can be different depending upon the theoretical basis of the counseling. By secular standards, counseling is not supposed to be advise giving.

Unfortunately most of counseling theory is not based upon any scientific proof, but what seems to work.

My pattern for counseling is
1) catharsis: a caring non-judgmental listening ear; someone to dump your stuff on; the counselor must have unconditional positive regard for the client. (Only a born again Christian is capable of real love, real caring.)

2) instruction is how cognitively to restructure your beliefs (not necessarily theology here) so that the painful emotion is less painful. For example, a client may have the belief that he cannot be happy unless his wife does such and such. Instead of having great mental anguish based on that faulty belief, a client may be taught to while it will be sad if his wife doesn't do such and such, it is not grounds for extreme grief and that he can be happy despite the wife not doing what he wishes.
(Just one example). A non-Christian may be able to help you find some of your irrational behavioral beliefs, beliefs that result in negative painful emotions.

3) problem solving,
4) connection of Bible to problem if the client wants to go there.

In problem solving alternative solutions are proposed by client and counselor, eliminating the impossible, limiting to what is practical, but also breaking out of the box. The Goal has to be determined, and both client & counselor must agree on the goal to continue. Then the means of obtaining the goal are proposed and discussed. Again the impossible methods are discarded and also breaking out of the box is included. The counselor and the client must agree on the methods to be used.

One paradigm for counseling is basically just reflecting back the content that the client presents with, identifying the emotions attached, and then the beliefs that mediate the emotions: My husband won't put the seat down; I am angry about this. Belief causing the anger: "I cannot be happy if my husband doesn't put down the seat; My husband doesn't love me as proven by this, and my husband MUST love me."
The idea is that by exposing the content, affect, and beliefs, the client will figure out his own cure.

Another paradigm is that by exploring childhood and family constellation, insight will be obtained: Ah Ha!

Another paradigm is that behavior is determined by feedback; positive & negative. Put the client in a Skinner box. When he does something he thinks he should not do, he pops his wrist with a rubber band, etc.

In general, I don't think it wise to go to a non-Christian counselor as such a person doesn't understand reality. Also the psychology of a Christian is different from that of a non-Christian. The Christian has 2 natures: Old Man & New Man in conflict. The Christian is indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

2 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things that were freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Spirit teacheth; combining spiritual things with spiritual words. 14 Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, and he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

In the multitude of counselors, there is safety.

Of course Biblical counsel is much about godly advise.

Whatever the counselor, if he is well-studied in the DSM (Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders), he may be able to help you see behavior patterns in you life which are signs of conflict and emotional pain. Some of these, at least, have Biblical counterparts. Delusions & hallucinations are mental disorders (as one example). Delusions are part and parcel of satan's arsenal, getting you to believe lies.

Someone may not have realized that Dependent Personality is dysfunctional as when someone makes a rule for himself that he MUST "have" someone else and goes stalking.

At any rate, best to get a Christian counselor.
 

Lynx

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Holy cow, I'm a counselor!

For some time I have considered myself a semi-professional listener. I seem to attract confidences. But what Atwood listed is exactly the things I do when someone is talking to me about his problems. I never went to college for it though, it's just something that happens when people talk to me.

I will add one thing though: A lot of times I don't have to give any advice at all. All I do is listen, maybe make an appropriate comment here and there to keep the conversation going, and the person does all the talking himself... figures out his own problem... figures out the solution...

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Then thanks me for my great advice. :cool:
 

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Holy cow, I'm a counselor!

For some time I have considered myself a semi-professional listener. I seem to attract confidences. But what Atwood listed is exactly the things I do when someone is talking to me about his problems. I never went to college for it though, it's just something that happens when people talk to me.

I will add one thing though: A lot of times I don't have to give any advice at all. All I do is listen, maybe make an appropriate comment here and there to keep the conversation going, and the person does all the talking himself... figures out his own problem... figures out the solution...

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Then thanks me for my great advice. :cool:
You must charge yourself five cents.
 
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Jeremy, I'm going to use the phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it." The reason I say that is because you state that you're reasonably happy with the non-Christian counselor that you been going to for three years. Why change? It depends on the problem that you're experiencing that You possibly could require specialized counseling. You have to look at the qualifications of the counselor. I'm a Christian and I have been a Christian all of my life, however if I needed to see a specialized counselor and they were not a Christian counselor it wouldn't make any difference to me. It depends on your problem, it depends on the qualifications. I would not care if my counselor was Christian or non-Christian. That's my two cents worth.
 
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twofeet

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Aw, I hope nobody took offense, and I hope you didn't take any offense to us. I do believe we should seek Him first, after all. :D Earthly counsel should be secondary, yes, but still considered.

While I cannot relate to what you've been through, I can definitely see your side of things, given all that you've had to endure from other people. I imagine their actions have more or less diminished any concept of "wisdom" in your fellow man in your eyes. You get a big kudos from me for your prevailing outlook, twofeet!
I think earthly counsel is very wise when going to war ! LOLOLOl....proverbs is great with those kinda scriptures! But as for my healing? When the Son sets me free I am free indeed..........people are a very poor substitute in this area! Just look at this thread. Someone automatically jumps to the conclusion I must be someone who has never gone through stuff in life that needs counselling for and accuses me of therefore having no sympathy for others. I'm sure it never even cross their mind that I am someone that has over come circumstances THROUGH Christ.....we are meant to be over comers, MORE than conquerors. As usual, people thinking they are clever when actually they know very little of circumstances. God gets my vote EVERY time! Then you have others doing their best to "defend their right" to go to people, backing it up with scripture. Again, peoples wisdom is a very poor substitute to Gods. I was just merely pointing out that as Christians we should break free from the mold of immediately turning to people. Something the world does, and seek God first. What do I know about counsellors? Not much, Ive only worked with them on a professional basis for 18 years!
 
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jeremyPJ

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Jeremy, I'm going to use the phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it." The reason I say that is because you state that you're reasonably happy with the non-Christian counselor that you been going to for three years. Why change? It depends on the problem that you're experiencing that You possibly could require specialized counseling. You have to look at the qualifications of the counselor. I'm a Christian and I have been a Christian all of my life, however if I needed to see a specialized counselor and they were not a Christian counselor it wouldn't make any difference to me. It depends on your problem, it depends on the qualifications. I would not care if my counselor was Christian or non-Christian. That's my two cents worth.
That's how I feel about it. I feel I am doing fine with the one I have. But a church leader recommended that I need to have a Christian counselor. I need to ask him his rationale...it made me think I was missing some flaw in my persona that made me different, that's why I'm asking. Thanks to all for the responses.