Why does it seem like so many women in the church are looking for a fictional man?

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ServantStrike

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I've seen a trend - one that bugs the heck out of me. I've seen it online and offline. It seems a lot of women in the church are looking for some strange blend of fiction and reality. It's like they're looking for a Disney prince. Some man who's so secure he'll chase them to the ends of the earth, a man who's going to sweep a woman off her feet like tear gas clears a city street.

In a ironic way, I think a lot of women who are never going to have to worry about having their hearts broken by a man - because they've already done it themselves. There are some pretty lofty ideals being thrown around that just aren't all going to exist in the same person. You've got to pick what's important to you and focus on finding just that. And above all else you've got to stop retreating to a safe distance - that place is called the friend zone, which is where a woman who retreats to safety gets to live.

Apparently men need to be a combination of the following:
- Financially secure, which must be code for he makes more than the average person does. Anyone who is in that income class is going to want to stay there - which means they're going to want to see a woman manage her own finances so they know they're not going to be spent poor by the wrong woman. Getting hen pecked (or worse) by one's wife is also a real concern for a lot of men. Most of us do worry on some level if we're going to end up out in the cold if our career takes a nose dive, and that holds true whether we make a little or a lot.

- Super handsome. I've actually heard women on here say that a woman can't look like a disney princess, but a dude can look like a disney prince. In the real world, 90 percent of us can't. A good number of us are going to lose our hair, and for the most part, we're either skinny or heavy, even if we train like crazy. So get used to it, because I know for a fact some of us on here spend several hours a week working out and still don't look like you'd expect.

- A blend between romeo, casanova, and prince charming. A lot of women want to sit there and wait for a man to come up to them and make the entire relationship process go from start to finish. That's exhausting and just thinking about it is enough to make me want to stay single. If you're not going to be emotionally available, then we're not going to pursue you. No one enjoys chasing a woman except psychos. Simply put, a lot of us don't have time for that nonsense, and we're not interested in being a crutch, we want a partner.


So, there you have it.



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maxwel

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#2
You make that sound like fictional men are a bad thing.

Now I feel insulted.

: )
 
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psychomom

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#3
let's blame Jane Austen?
 
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psychomom

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#5
Who (singular) doesn't fantasize about mr or ms perfect?
married people?

because we've learned we didn't marry that person,
and we have not been that person.
:rolleyes:

ps--coulda learned it when dating...
coulda, woulda, shoulda, but didn't. (most of us)
 
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Jacob_Fitzgerald

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#6
Sounds like Disney needs to start making their heros fat, bald, and wearing glasses.

As a dear friend of mine says "Fat people need love to".
 

JesusMyOnly

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Heyo ServantStrike. I was reading over your post and I admit I agree as well. I too have a habit of trying to find reality with a nice blend of fiction. Probably not the fiction that some other ladies might be looking for because I'm influenced mainly by Korean drama romances. That is a habit I have yet to break (I just don't personally want a Disney Prince, fairy tale relationships are somewhat creepy to me and I don't really like Disney lol).


But what is so wrong with a woman wanting a man to chase after her to the ends of the earth and being swept off of her feet by the man she admires? I agree tho that our imaginations go too far at times. And I too agree that some women have already broken their own hearts because they put expectations on their "prince charming" way up high and never find someone like that. But also I believe some woman may have these expecations because their hearts have already been broken.


Ugh and that word... friend zone ... makes me cringe when ever it is used. I can't stand people looking at the friend zone as a bad thing. Just because someone is in the friend zone now doesn't mean that they will ALWAYS be there. Best friends can fall in love, it is possible. And I find it that running to the "saftey/friend zone" is their comfort zone for a reason. For whatever reason, you can't blame them until you know exactly why they keep running back to their comfort zone. And if you do know just pray for them and be there to show help and support the best you can.


As for what you are saying about what men "must" be for a woman..


-Financially stable. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be financially stable as long as its a working process together. Now if someone wanted to be with a man because he was rich or didn't want to be with a man because he was considered poor, thats another story.


-Super handsome. This is the common "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" things isn't it? What is handsome to me may or may not be handsome to the next girl. Many girls like, George Clooney, or Brad Pitt ( so on so forth ). They are not ugly, but just not attractive to me in such a way where I swoon over them. I have no interest what so ever.


- Being a blend between Romeo, Casanova and Prince Charming. You are saying how girls wait for the man to make a move, and be the "crutch" in the relationship. While I do like the idea of the man stepping up I think its so cute when the girl can admit her feelings. I think its nice when a girl is brave to step up and be honest, to help her significant other and stand by his side.


Many woman are looking in the wrong places for the wrong men. This is frustrating maybe to a lot of men out there who are truly caring, loving and supportive. I'm not at all angry that you've posted this because it has much truth to it ServantStrike. But, why would a woman be looking for the wrong type of man? Not everyone is okay in their mind. We all deal with stuff and our outer actions either now or later start matching up with how we are on the inside. Many woman are not taking relationships seriously because God might not be their number one. They may have had past issues and hurt. They might be trying to to fill up a void with some "prince charming" and perfect relationship to feel better. There are girls out there who are genuine and loyal. If you are not finding the right girl quite yet odds are God has a different plan in store.
 
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May i suggest anyone to watch the trailer of INDECENT PROPOSAL? With Robert Redford, Demi Moore and Woody Harrison... I don´t post the hyper to avoid censorship but, there some answers could be FOUND.

I have seen things like that :(
 
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Sounds like Disney needs to start making their heros fat, bald, and wearing glasses.

As a dear friend of mine says "Fat people need love to".
Fatness as well as baldness can be sorted out... In fact, the 1st is killing more people than we could imagine and no one would die for loosing some hair (except Samson). :)

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ServantStrike

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Sounds like Disney needs to start making their heros fat, bald, and wearing glasses.

As a dear friend of mine says "Fat people need love to".
I'm talking excessive weight. People can look good with a good deal of bodyfat if they just excercise regularly and vigorously. They're healthy and not so squishy. Stealthy muscle under a layer of fat as it were. I'm not talking waif thin here - I'm talking about not being at increased risk of dying young.

I have a good friend who challenged me when I said about one of my only requirements is I need to be able to deadlift a woman's body weight. For the record I dead about 275 on my absolute worst day ever. This apparently was an unreasonable goal.



Heyo ServantStrike. I was reading over your post and I admit I agree as well. I too have a habit of trying to find reality with a nice blend of fiction. Probably not the fiction that some other ladies might be looking for because I'm influenced mainly by Korean drama romances. That is a habit I have yet to break (I just don't personally want a Disney Prince, fairy tale relationships are somewhat creepy to me and I don't really like Disney lol).


But what is so wrong with a woman wanting a man to chase after her to the ends of the earth and being swept off of her feet by the man she admires?

There are girls out there who are genuine and loyal. If you are not finding the right girl quite yet odds are God has a different plan in store.
Oh this post wasn't about any frustration I had with dating. I was actually trying to offer some advice that I was unable to do in another thread due to severe topic drift. I did it mainly to try and stem the two tides here on CC:
- The take back manhood tide (news flash, I never let anyone take my masculinity from me to begin with)
- The let's rag on men tide

And frankly I was identifying what I believed to be danger zone territory (someone feel free to make a kenny loggins reference here).

You sound quite together. This post wasn't really intended for someone in your state of mind at all. You want what seems to me to be a healthy level of romance. Any man worth his salt will in fact try to please a woman he dates because it wil be a natural thing for him to want to do.

There is nothing wrong with a little chase. In fact I maintain that a lot of men may actually fall in love first - the trick there is we just don't show it until later on because it tends to make learning about someone quite complicated, and because it can back fire. So if the initial footwork involves a lot of chasing, then it's a no go - we're just wired differently and we just want to gather information.

I was mostly pointing out how a lot of women expect a guy to do all the foot work. Have a husband delivered straight to their doorstep as it were, and that this is compounded by unrealistic expectations. It means a lot of women who are frustrated may have already found mr right but they brushed him off. Maybe he wasn't "right enough", maybe they were too scared to move further, or maybe it's as simple as they weren't accessible enough for him to make a move.
 
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ELECT

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[h=1]Job 12:7-9King James Version (KJV)[/h]7 But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8 Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this?

The Eagle tests before it trusts.

When a female eagle meets a male and they want to mate, she flies down to earth with the male pursing her and she picks a twig. She flies back into the air with the male pursuing her.
Once she has reached a height high enough for her, she lets the twig fall to the ground and watches it as it falls. The male chases after the twig. The faster it falls, the faster he chases until he reaches it and has to catch it before it falls to the ground, then bring it back to the female eagle.

The female eagle grabs the twig and flies to a much higher altitude pursued by the male until she perceives it high enough, and then drops the twig for the male to chase. This goes on for hours, with the height increasing until the female eagle is assured that the male eagle has mastered the art of picking the twig which shows commitment and care for the young , then and only then, will she allow him to mate with her! Whether in private life or in business, one should test commitment of people intended for partnership.
 
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ELECT

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married people?

because we've learned we didn't marry that person,
and we have not been that person.
:rolleyes:

ps--coulda learned it when dating...
coulda, woulda, shoulda, but didn't. (most of us)

GENERALLY women mary men hoping they will change while men marry women hoping that They will never change
 
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Mitspa

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I find girls that are too churchy are a little boring to me...I like girls that don't look to what others think to decide who they are...Don't get me wrong I want a Godly woman...but true godliness don't worry about everyone in church will think or say. True Godliness don't seek honor from men but from God. :)
 
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Kaycie

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Men do the same. First they think they want a women. Then, not knowing what she will be like, start to imagine. And since they are imagining they might as well imagine her to have all the best features. And they create this women in their minds that don't exist. Now, if a women does not match his grocery list, he won't even consider her. Which is a real blessing for her- because love is not self-seeking. He is not thinking that he wants to show love to her, but rather what can she do for him? Such a man is not capable of love. (Ladies, if he ONLY compliments how you look on the outside and not the inside, red flag).

I live in reality. I know my soulmate won't be perfect, as I am not perfect. I like wonderful features as much as the next person, but when it really comes down to it, I want a man who will genuinely love me. Who will care about how I feel, and hold me when I need to be held. Who can live his life, but looks forward to coming home to me at the end of the day, and feel his life is better with me in it. Rich or poor, as long as whatever we go through we go through it together. No games, no pretend play, no controlling, no arguing- just love.
 

Angela53510

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I think that what I find is that more than wanting a "perfect" man, many women are just desperately seeking any man. Instead of seeking Jesus!

True, there can be loneliness in not being in a relationship. But why not work on that relationship with the one who REALLY matters? And that is Jesus Christ.

I think when you are seeking God with all your heart, and forget about looking for the perfect man or woman, you end up getting so much more, even if it is not a life mate. I have several single women friends who are missionaries, one for over 30 years, and she is more fulfilled and joyful than any married woman I know.

Marriage can have its ups and downs too. And looks and money is a small part of that! Married people may have difficulties with finances in marriage, but I have never heard of a marriage that has been destroyed over looks!

Just my two cents worth!
 

Reborn

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May seem like it.....but they're not
Just as it may seem we are....but we're not.

I find most Christian women are still very grounded in the fact
that there no such thing as a real Prince Charming,
... they'd be perfectly content with an average guy who follows Christ....and puts down the toilet seat.:eek:
 

Desdichado

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I've seen a trend - one that bugs the heck out of me. I've seen it online and offline. It seems a lot of women in the church are looking for some strange blend of fiction and reality. It's like they're looking for a Disney prince. Some man who's so secure he'll chase them to the ends of the earth, a man who's going to sweep a woman off her feet like tear gas clears a city street.

In a ironic way, I think a lot of women who are never going to have to worry about having their hearts broken by a man - because they've already done it themselves. There are some pretty lofty ideals being thrown around that just aren't all going to exist in the same person. You've got to pick what's important to you and focus on finding just that. And above all else you've got to stop retreating to a safe distance - that place is called the friend zone, which is where a woman who retreats to safety gets to live.

Apparently men need to be a combination of the following:
- Financially secure, which must be code for he makes more than the average person does. Anyone who is in that income class is going to want to stay there - which means they're going to want to see a woman manage her own finances so they know they're not going to be spent poor by the wrong woman. Getting hen pecked (or worse) by one's wife is also a real concern for a lot of men. Most of us do worry on some level if we're going to end up out in the cold if our career takes a nose dive, and that holds true whether we make a little or a lot.

- Super handsome. I've actually heard women on here say that a woman can't look like a disney princess, but a dude can look like a disney prince. In the real world, 90 percent of us can't. A good number of us are going to lose our hair, and for the most part, we're either skinny or heavy, even if we train like crazy. So get used to it, because I know for a fact some of us on here spend several hours a week working out and still don't look like you'd expect.

- A blend between romeo, casanova, and prince charming. A lot of women want to sit there and wait for a man to come up to them and make the entire relationship process go from start to finish. That's exhausting and just thinking about it is enough to make me want to stay single. If you're not going to be emotionally available, then we're not going to pursue you. No one enjoys chasing a woman except psychos. Simply put, a lot of us don't have time for that nonsense, and we're not interested in being a crutch, we want a partner.


So, there you have it.



Cue the flaming, the moaning, and the topic drift in 5... 4.... 3... 2....

Women think that's want when they really want...

[video=youtube;Z2OcbeGqbpU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2OcbeGqbpU[/video]
 
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Donkeyfish07

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I really don't get the impression that ladies in the Church are seeking fictional men in general. I've talked to a lot of beautiful Church going women and the number one problem is, they rarely....if ever get asked out at all (Know several who have been asked out ZERO times in the past 2 years or better). Of the ones that do ask them out, a sizable percentage of the guys that ask them try to steer the relationship towards inappropriate physical stuff way to early (we all know that before marriage is too early, I'm talking like before the second date ever happens type stuff). They've got a pretty frustrating situation to deal with the way I'm looking at it.

As far as the friend zone goes, nobody can put you there but you. It's not ever the girls fault if you end up there IMO
 

gypsygirl

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ss, i don't doubt that there are women who are seeking that, but not all do.

if that is the only women you're encountering, i'd suggest that you need to calibrate your "picker". i know women who are looking for godly, reasonable men.

i would say that when i was younger, dating according to my "physical" (and to a lesser extent, career) was more important. part of growing up is learning that you value other qualities.

financially/career: my lone rule is that he must be doing something that he can be content with, or has a solid plan (that he is executing on) how to get to the place where he is. i don't really want to be with someone who is miserable about his job/situation--it's such a joy killer for everyone. but if he's satisfied, content and fulfilled adequately in that job, i am fine with it.

looks/handsome: health, vitality, and a good attitude is attractive on everyone. someone who enjoys his life. someone who is grateful, someone who makes me laugh, someone who can be a co-adventurer is what i find attractive.

not someone velcro-ed to the lazy boy and enjoying a sedentary life, where the television is never off and prefers the virtual kind of fun and adventure through gaming and cyberspace. someone who would rather let his brains rot from a lack of use.

romeo/prince charming: sadly, this is something that i think is misunderstood. women AND men need to be emotionally available. i think a lot of guys really have no clue how to be emotionally available and present, and that is true for a lot of women as well.

you talk about women being emotionally unavailable? i have met great guys who seem to require some kind of codec to decipher and a giant brick wall of mystery that requires an exhausting, brick-by-brick dismantling and tunneling to get through. or they are as accessible as their moods.

or they are reciting things they have learned, or part of their "schtick", simply playing a role they perceive is expected. i hate that. don't treat me like EVERYONE. don't use your rehearsed routine that you picked up in a movie or from your pal. just be yourself, and be real. connect with what i am saying. listen. breathe. that is all.

the emotionally accessible, open, present and available men (and women) are out there, but seem to be pretty fabulous finds. and when you find it, that's plenty charming enough. : )
 
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psychomom

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GENERALLY women mary men hoping they will change while men marry women hoping that They will never change
i'd have to agree that on the main, that's probably true.

which is unfortunate, because no amount of what my sister and i jokingly call
'husband training' gets you anywhere,
and over the years a woman will change (we call it aging...lol).

maybe the key is to let God do the changing, and learn contentment?