why actions of believing in God men aren't different from unbelievers deeds of men?

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lidochka

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Why deeds of men who believe in God do not differ from the behavior of men who do not know God? They also can betray, hurt, and promise not to perform, lie .... It is clear that they are people and that their flesh, but why would we in God if you do not control yourself and do not be a light to the world? The question with which I have faced and I do not understand. It is better to tell the truth and will not hurt anyone. We are all people, everyone is free to choose the path of God's blessing or path syourself consciousness of desire and temptation.:confused:
 
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kenthomas27

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You would think it would be different. You would think that after a man by Grace uncovers the gift of salvation that he would go and sin no more, but that's not the case. In fact, it's the paradox of the human condition. God does not save us by giving us a clean slate by which we must keep clean in order to deserve that Mercy and remain saved. That is not the method by which we are saved. God puts the sin on Christ and puts the righteousness of Christ on us. Therefore, when God studies us, He does not see the man standing in his own righteousness nor does He see us for our eternal condition, but rather sees us in the righteousness of Christ.

I think that one of the tricks of Satan is for believers to study others in their own eternal condition and standing in their own righteousness instead of the Godly way of seeing others in the righteousness of Christ. This allows for no error, and when faults are found they stand out as witness against God. It's as if Satan is telling us "See! There is fault in this man who is saved. Therefore, there must be fault in his salvation!". Satan would have us believe there is no value in God's Grace and so no forgiveness. Therefore, we lose hope that our salvation is real - the power of Grace is diminished. We become consumed by either our own sin or disheartened by the sin of another.

This is why it is so important for us to understand ourselves and others in Christ as the unworthy saved by God's Grace and now clothed in the Righteousness of Christ. We remain unworthy but are forgiven! Can we do anything less for others?
 

blue_ladybug

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the saved and the unsaved both have free will to do as they choose.. being saved does not change that.. even saved people make bad choices every now and then but how great is it that all we need to do is repent and ask forgiveness.. :)
 
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Shouryu

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Why deeds of men who believe in God do not differ from the behavior of men who do not know God? They also can betray, hurt, and promise not to perform, lie ....
Are you using the term "men of God" as a general term for ANY self-identified Christian, regardless of gender? Or are you actually, specifically speaking of only men? Because if that's the case, I should point out that so-called women of God are just as capable of betrayal, hurt, dishonesty, and failure to perform (whatever that means).

Just asking, for clarification's sake.
 

Lynx

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*cough*televangelists*cough*
 

ChandlerFan

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To your question, lidochka, I would say two things:

First of all, it is true that there are many people who claim to know God who do not act any more morally than those who do not know God. However, there are also many people who claim to know God and their life radically transforms into a completely different, much better life than the one they were living before they knew God.

Secondly, knowing God personally does not mean that someone is never going to sin again. Both Christians and non-Christians alike sin. The difference between them is that Christians don't depend on their own moral standing before God for their salvation, but instead celebrate Jesus Christ's righteousness given to them for salvation. Non-Christians are ultimately only dependent on their own moral standing before God alone. There is freedom for the Christian in obedience then as it becomes about pursuing joy and honoring God instead of avoiding hell or doing what feels right and avoiding what doesn't.