What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord?"
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Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
Let's see reasons the church has no better advice to give to singles than "Wait on the Lord":
1) Because the church has also fallen for the fallacy that you need to "fall in love" to think about getting married. Since "falling in love" is something that just happens there's nothing you can do but wait on God to cause it to happen for you.
2) Because the church is slow to adapt to change and this is a relatively new phenomenon. Church leaders simply haven't had to consider how to encourage people to wait long term when most people got married young and stayed married and those who didn't well usually that was a case calling for either repentance or charity.
3) The church has a rather messed up historical relationship with sex and marriage. With clerical celibacy as a standard for centuries in the Pre-reformation catholic church, it put truly serving God and marriage as opposing ways of life. There was also the attitude that sex was impure but people couldn't help themselves so God made marriage as a concession to human weakness. Though most Protestants would never say that marriage was not a good thing, our mantra of focus on God and don't worry about dating reveals that we still hold vestiges of this attitude. This is not advice you hear Christians offer for any other major life decisions (choosing a career or college, getting a job, raising children, managing finances, etc.)
What could be done better? Well most churches offer all kinds of counseling including marriage counseling for couples who are having difficulties and pre-marital counseling for engaged couples. What if churches offered date / mate selection counseling for singles? Not even necessarily a church based matchup service, but a chance for singles to meet one on one with someone who would ask them the hard and important questions about why they are pursuing marriage at this point in their life and give them guidance about the things that make marriage last (character and commitment will trump looks and feelings). I think also a view of discipleship that causes people to realize that the way you treat those closest to you, family, friends, dating partner, etc. demonstrates just how deep God's truth and transformation has or has not gotten in your life. If we viewed marriage and family as a significant means of discipleship and being conformed to the image of Christ, well I think that would be pretty powerful.
Let's see reasons the church has no better advice to give to singles than "Wait on the Lord":
1) Because the church has also fallen for the fallacy that you need to "fall in love" to think about getting married. Since "falling in love" is something that just happens there's nothing you can do but wait on God to cause it to happen for you.
2) Because the church is slow to adapt to change and this is a relatively new phenomenon. Church leaders simply haven't had to consider how to encourage people to wait long term when most people got married young and stayed married and those who didn't well usually that was a case calling for either repentance or charity.
3) The church has a rather messed up historical relationship with sex and marriage. With clerical celibacy as a standard for centuries in the Pre-reformation catholic church, it put truly serving God and marriage as opposing ways of life. There was also the attitude that sex was impure but people couldn't help themselves so God made marriage as a concession to human weakness. Though most Protestants would never say that marriage was not a good thing, our mantra of focus on God and don't worry about dating reveals that we still hold vestiges of this attitude. This is not advice you hear Christians offer for any other major life decisions (choosing a career or college, getting a job, raising children, managing finances, etc.)
What could be done better? Well most churches offer all kinds of counseling including marriage counseling for couples who are having difficulties and pre-marital counseling for engaged couples. What if churches offered date / mate selection counseling for singles? Not even necessarily a church based matchup service, but a chance for singles to meet one on one with someone who would ask them the hard and important questions about why they are pursuing marriage at this point in their life and give them guidance about the things that make marriage last (character and commitment will trump looks and feelings). I think also a view of discipleship that causes people to realize that the way you treat those closest to you, family, friends, dating partner, etc. demonstrates just how deep God's truth and transformation has or has not gotten in your life. If we viewed marriage and family as a significant means of discipleship and being conformed to the image of Christ, well I think that would be pretty powerful.
M
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
I have read all the threads with interest and possibly there is some cultural differences between the U.S. And the UK.
While maybe I have a romantised idea, if it happens for me I want it to be with the right person and for us to grow old together.
Outside of the church in the secular society there are numerous couples just living together along with others that marry, daily I see relationships break up, multi partners, children in families with multiple fathers.
There are those that work as well, couples who stay together but there is a lot of heart break also.
Within in my own church and other churches there are countless marriages that do work, many elderly people who are as much in love with their spouses as when they first married. Couples who have stayed together through thick and thin. I know loads who go to church on Sunday then the whole extended family go to grandma and grandads house for Sunday lunch etc. In fact
within the church environment I only know personally of one couple who are going through a divorce. That is in a church of over
a 1000 people. Maybe there are others that I don't know too well but I would say I know a good 300 people. I am also familiar with other churches with loads of couples staying the course.
Generally speaking, bible believing born again Christians in the UK do have a successful marriage. Maybe that is because they are more likely to be genuine Christians who have counted the cost and have made a commitment themselves rather been brought up in the church or calling themselves Christians out of habit? Maybe there is a clearer line in the UK between Christians who have learned Christianity and those who have chosen it and have a relationship with Jesus? I'm not sure, you will have to tell me if you disagree or if I have got this wrong.
There is a price to pay for that though as when you say to people you are a born again Christian in the UK many look at you as if you are from another planet. Far more of the population consider themselves to be atheist in the UK than probably in the U.S. so maybe the lines are a little clearer and the expectations?
All I know is that if I am to marry I want it to be with the right person and for it to last with Jesus at the centre. I am not so naive as to recognise there will be difficulties along the way, life is full of difficulties generally. All I know is that if I cannot find someone who is part of God's plan for my life, then I don't want to settle for second best.
Some have suggested it is better to have loved and lost, than never loved at all. I disagree personally with that, society is full of
fatherless children, broken men and women, lives ruined by circumstances because they have loved and unfortunately lost and the consequences have been great. On C C people ask for pray and have had terrible difficulties due to relationship problems. At times I read them and I feel like crying for them, imagine how much Jesus most weep and mourn over his children when he sees the devastation.
I see that devastation also in my own family and know how soul destroying this can be for all concerned. So I would rather be slow and wait on God's perfect will and timing. If it doesn't happen, well you know what I like to think that my contribution to further God's kingdom more than makes up for that. Being single gives all sorts of marvellous opportunities to get involved in all sorts of work for the Lord.
Not to blow my own trumpet (can't play that anyway)
But I have played in the worship team in my current church for several years.
I have led the worship in a previous church.
I put together a small band and devised music for teens to play at Christmas/ Easter etc.
I have taught in Sunday school and teen meetings.
Have attended open airs and volunteered at a Christian book stall which sought to reach out to others.
Have worked both voluntary and paid work for a couple of mission based organisations.
Been a team leader on a children's camp for several years.
plus various other things along the way.
I'm not saying this to brag, I have loved every minute of it and met loads of wonderful people along the way.
There is always loads of work in the Lord crying out for volunteers but few to do it. Being single does not equate to an
unfulfilled life. It can be one of the most fulfilling times of your life.
God bless
x
I have read all the threads with interest and possibly there is some cultural differences between the U.S. And the UK.
While maybe I have a romantised idea, if it happens for me I want it to be with the right person and for us to grow old together.
Outside of the church in the secular society there are numerous couples just living together along with others that marry, daily I see relationships break up, multi partners, children in families with multiple fathers.
There are those that work as well, couples who stay together but there is a lot of heart break also.
Within in my own church and other churches there are countless marriages that do work, many elderly people who are as much in love with their spouses as when they first married. Couples who have stayed together through thick and thin. I know loads who go to church on Sunday then the whole extended family go to grandma and grandads house for Sunday lunch etc. In fact
within the church environment I only know personally of one couple who are going through a divorce. That is in a church of over
a 1000 people. Maybe there are others that I don't know too well but I would say I know a good 300 people. I am also familiar with other churches with loads of couples staying the course.
Generally speaking, bible believing born again Christians in the UK do have a successful marriage. Maybe that is because they are more likely to be genuine Christians who have counted the cost and have made a commitment themselves rather been brought up in the church or calling themselves Christians out of habit? Maybe there is a clearer line in the UK between Christians who have learned Christianity and those who have chosen it and have a relationship with Jesus? I'm not sure, you will have to tell me if you disagree or if I have got this wrong.
There is a price to pay for that though as when you say to people you are a born again Christian in the UK many look at you as if you are from another planet. Far more of the population consider themselves to be atheist in the UK than probably in the U.S. so maybe the lines are a little clearer and the expectations?
All I know is that if I am to marry I want it to be with the right person and for it to last with Jesus at the centre. I am not so naive as to recognise there will be difficulties along the way, life is full of difficulties generally. All I know is that if I cannot find someone who is part of God's plan for my life, then I don't want to settle for second best.
Some have suggested it is better to have loved and lost, than never loved at all. I disagree personally with that, society is full of
fatherless children, broken men and women, lives ruined by circumstances because they have loved and unfortunately lost and the consequences have been great. On C C people ask for pray and have had terrible difficulties due to relationship problems. At times I read them and I feel like crying for them, imagine how much Jesus most weep and mourn over his children when he sees the devastation.
I see that devastation also in my own family and know how soul destroying this can be for all concerned. So I would rather be slow and wait on God's perfect will and timing. If it doesn't happen, well you know what I like to think that my contribution to further God's kingdom more than makes up for that. Being single gives all sorts of marvellous opportunities to get involved in all sorts of work for the Lord.
Not to blow my own trumpet (can't play that anyway)
But I have played in the worship team in my current church for several years.
I have led the worship in a previous church.
I put together a small band and devised music for teens to play at Christmas/ Easter etc.
I have taught in Sunday school and teen meetings.
Have attended open airs and volunteered at a Christian book stall which sought to reach out to others.
Have worked both voluntary and paid work for a couple of mission based organisations.
Been a team leader on a children's camp for several years.
plus various other things along the way.
I'm not saying this to brag, I have loved every minute of it and met loads of wonderful people along the way.
There is always loads of work in the Lord crying out for volunteers but few to do it. Being single does not equate to an
unfulfilled life. It can be one of the most fulfilling times of your life.
God bless
x
T
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
Those are the words I dislike hearing when I was younger. That context also can mean, "Hey, you know what? We are not for each other so go find yourself another person to love and marry to!" or something close to that. It can mean a rejection. Christians are trying to soften the blow to reject a fellow Christian since I really had to observe what it really mean. I did even do a little research. The women who tells me after I get to meet them is a rejection. I know many of you will criticize me but I am up front to tell the truth what that line really mean.
Because of that context it can cause a lot of Christian Singles leaving church and I have noticed that quite often because of that very line! How I know that? I went through the same boat as the Singles did. And by asking others if they heard the same words. Unsaved souls will swear you off in filthy way of rejection. I have seen the differences.
Then there are Christian Singles misunderstood the context of Waiting on the Lord meaning they got to sit around and do nothing by staying home and watch "Days of Our Lives" or some "Star Wars" DVDs or play "Bubble Bobble" video game on their X-Box. This is a problem. Not only that Christian Singles with misunderstanding not only stay home but go to church and do nothing.
You do need to do something.. If you read the story of Isaac and Rebekah in Genesis chapter 24. That is how you have to do it. That romantic story tells you that you are to go out and pray AND get the clues and then MEET THEM! Go to your church functions, go on missions (hey, I met the ladies on missions easier but problem is that they seemly want to come to America) or get involved with your church or non-profit Christian organization such as Salvation Army or some soup kitchens. Work as a volunteer at the thrift store.. You will never know!
I can name a few methods that seemly works well for me. I went to a Christian conference that is a national conference and I met someone there and we dated but things did not work out but I got the right idea at the time how to find her.
Waiting on the Lord really means, "Look, can we be friends and you should really go out there and find your mate while you serve God." They will notice your walk in the Lord and will find you attractive.
That is my opinion and that is what I believe.
I hope that helps to explain what it really means. Do NOT wait too long if you want to have your own children with your own supply/seeds then MARRY. I think somewhere in OT that marriage is really made for starting a family. However, Apostle Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 7 about desire to marry. Marry if you can not control yourself. What are you waiting for? You may have missed your opportunity if you were too focused on God. Do listen yes but open your eyes and grab the gifts God gave you. Gifts mean more than just the right mate.. I am talking about jobs, house, etc.. like the Matthew 25. Think about that.
Those are the words I dislike hearing when I was younger. That context also can mean, "Hey, you know what? We are not for each other so go find yourself another person to love and marry to!" or something close to that. It can mean a rejection. Christians are trying to soften the blow to reject a fellow Christian since I really had to observe what it really mean. I did even do a little research. The women who tells me after I get to meet them is a rejection. I know many of you will criticize me but I am up front to tell the truth what that line really mean.
Because of that context it can cause a lot of Christian Singles leaving church and I have noticed that quite often because of that very line! How I know that? I went through the same boat as the Singles did. And by asking others if they heard the same words. Unsaved souls will swear you off in filthy way of rejection. I have seen the differences.
Then there are Christian Singles misunderstood the context of Waiting on the Lord meaning they got to sit around and do nothing by staying home and watch "Days of Our Lives" or some "Star Wars" DVDs or play "Bubble Bobble" video game on their X-Box. This is a problem. Not only that Christian Singles with misunderstanding not only stay home but go to church and do nothing.
You do need to do something.. If you read the story of Isaac and Rebekah in Genesis chapter 24. That is how you have to do it. That romantic story tells you that you are to go out and pray AND get the clues and then MEET THEM! Go to your church functions, go on missions (hey, I met the ladies on missions easier but problem is that they seemly want to come to America) or get involved with your church or non-profit Christian organization such as Salvation Army or some soup kitchens. Work as a volunteer at the thrift store.. You will never know!
I can name a few methods that seemly works well for me. I went to a Christian conference that is a national conference and I met someone there and we dated but things did not work out but I got the right idea at the time how to find her.
Waiting on the Lord really means, "Look, can we be friends and you should really go out there and find your mate while you serve God." They will notice your walk in the Lord and will find you attractive.
That is my opinion and that is what I believe.
I hope that helps to explain what it really means. Do NOT wait too long if you want to have your own children with your own supply/seeds then MARRY. I think somewhere in OT that marriage is really made for starting a family. However, Apostle Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 7 about desire to marry. Marry if you can not control yourself. What are you waiting for? You may have missed your opportunity if you were too focused on God. Do listen yes but open your eyes and grab the gifts God gave you. Gifts mean more than just the right mate.. I am talking about jobs, house, etc.. like the Matthew 25. Think about that.
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
Actually, it was Lord Alfred Tennyson. And it was about friendship, not romantic love. It was in his long poem "In Memoriam" which was written over the course of 17 years about the death of his friend Arthur Henry Hallam.
The most famous lines are:
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
Of course, the last two lines are often said to people regarding romantic relationships. The reason, btw, I believe that it's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved is because only by LOVING can we really connect with the heart of God. When we love others, regardless of the end-result to ourselves, we are being the creatures that God created us to be. After all, God loves us without counting the cost, and without regard if we properly love him back or not.
And this love need not be romantic, only self-sacrificial.
Actually, it was Lord Alfred Tennyson. And it was about friendship, not romantic love. It was in his long poem "In Memoriam" which was written over the course of 17 years about the death of his friend Arthur Henry Hallam.
The most famous lines are:
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
Of course, the last two lines are often said to people regarding romantic relationships. The reason, btw, I believe that it's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved is because only by LOVING can we really connect with the heart of God. When we love others, regardless of the end-result to ourselves, we are being the creatures that God created us to be. After all, God loves us without counting the cost, and without regard if we properly love him back or not.
And this love need not be romantic, only self-sacrificial.
M
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
i am a 38 years old single female at my church, and i got stuck with the youth until i throw a temper tantrum. and left there is no active single group at my church and i feel like i am in a war by myself. " telling me that God has His plan" and my soon to be husband will be here soon. I get so tired of this!!!
i am a 38 years old single female at my church, and i got stuck with the youth until i throw a temper tantrum. and left there is no active single group at my church and i feel like i am in a war by myself. " telling me that God has His plan" and my soon to be husband will be here soon. I get so tired of this!!!
M
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
I have to respectfully disagree with this. To say it is only by loving that we can connect with the heart of God is not the same as the kind of love expressed in a romantic relationship, the two are different. I'm not a scholar on the matter but I believe the love of God is defined as Agape love, while the romantic human love expressed is described as Eros? There are different root words for different kinds of love in the bible.
I have personally experienced God's love (more than once) no kind of any human love by any description can surpass the love of God, it is indescribable in human language and nothing by any stretch of the imagination can possibly compare to it ever.
(You may want to read my testimony in the testimony forum which I posted a few weeks ago, as it is too long to explain here).
God reaches down to us and expresses His love to us while we are still sinners. Imagine a filthy, smelly, disease ridden, stained human being touched by the sinless perfection of God. He doesn't love us because we love Him and that's a massive difference between Godly love and human love.
There is a difference in loving others for romantic reasons (with potentially the very very high cost involved if it all goes
wrong; and reaching out to a person in God's love who is in need etc, without any expectation of gaining anything back. You don't have to experience romantic love Eros, in order to express Agape love. In fact I would suggest that it is only when two people have experienced God's Agape love that they can truely understand the true love
between themselves and understand what God intended in a relationship.
Honestly I think couples should exam themselves in the light of 1 Cor 13 and that this should be read out at weddings.
Maybe my standards are too high, but I know they are attainable. I see this kind of love in the married couples I know at church.
No offence intended.
I have to respectfully disagree with this. To say it is only by loving that we can connect with the heart of God is not the same as the kind of love expressed in a romantic relationship, the two are different. I'm not a scholar on the matter but I believe the love of God is defined as Agape love, while the romantic human love expressed is described as Eros? There are different root words for different kinds of love in the bible.
I have personally experienced God's love (more than once) no kind of any human love by any description can surpass the love of God, it is indescribable in human language and nothing by any stretch of the imagination can possibly compare to it ever.
(You may want to read my testimony in the testimony forum which I posted a few weeks ago, as it is too long to explain here).
God reaches down to us and expresses His love to us while we are still sinners. Imagine a filthy, smelly, disease ridden, stained human being touched by the sinless perfection of God. He doesn't love us because we love Him and that's a massive difference between Godly love and human love.
There is a difference in loving others for romantic reasons (with potentially the very very high cost involved if it all goes
wrong; and reaching out to a person in God's love who is in need etc, without any expectation of gaining anything back. You don't have to experience romantic love Eros, in order to express Agape love. In fact I would suggest that it is only when two people have experienced God's Agape love that they can truely understand the true love
between themselves and understand what God intended in a relationship.
Honestly I think couples should exam themselves in the light of 1 Cor 13 and that this should be read out at weddings.
Maybe my standards are too high, but I know they are attainable. I see this kind of love in the married couples I know at church.
No offence intended.
N
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
They always say that but they don't say the reality. It is not only from 50s I think the good number is from 30s. You don't have to wait. Jesus once said " ask, seek and knock" how about this words? It tells us, you will have everything in this planet only by doing these three words and believe; ask it will be given, seek you will find, knock the door will be opened. (Matthew 7: 7-8 )
They always say that but they don't say the reality. It is not only from 50s I think the good number is from 30s. You don't have to wait. Jesus once said " ask, seek and knock" how about this words? It tells us, you will have everything in this planet only by doing these three words and believe; ask it will be given, seek you will find, knock the door will be opened. (Matthew 7: 7-8 )
N
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
I agree with you. By the way I love this verse 1 Cor 13. I often tell members here about this verse is all matter if you are speaking of unconditional love.
I have to respectfully disagree with this. To say it is only by loving that we can connect with the heart of God is not the same as the kind of love expressed in a romantic relationship, the two are different. I'm not a scholar on the matter but I believe the love of God is defined as Agape love, while the romantic human love expressed is described as Eros? There are different root words for different kinds of love in the bible.
I have personally experienced God's love (more than once) no kind of any human love by any description can surpass the love of God, it is indescribable in human language and nothing by any stretch of the imagination can possibly compare to it ever.
(You may want to read my testimony in the testimony forum which I posted a few weeks ago, as it is too long to explain here).
God reaches down to us and expresses His love to us while we are still sinners. Imagine a filthy, smelly, disease ridden, stained human being touched by the sinless perfection of God. He doesn't love us because we love Him and that's a massive difference between Godly love and human love.
There is a difference in loving others for romantic reasons (with potentially the very very high cost involved if it all goes
wrong; and reaching out to a person in God's love who is in need etc, without any expectation of gaining anything back. You don't have to experience romantic love Eros, in order to express Agape love. In fact I would suggest that it is only when two people have experienced God's Agape love that they can truely understand the true love
between themselves and understand what God intended in a relationship.
Honestly I think couples should exam themselves in the light of 1 Cor 13 and that this should be read out at weddings.
Maybe my standards are too high, but I know they are attainable. I see this kind of love in the married couples I know at church.
No offence intended.
I have personally experienced God's love (more than once) no kind of any human love by any description can surpass the love of God, it is indescribable in human language and nothing by any stretch of the imagination can possibly compare to it ever.
(You may want to read my testimony in the testimony forum which I posted a few weeks ago, as it is too long to explain here).
God reaches down to us and expresses His love to us while we are still sinners. Imagine a filthy, smelly, disease ridden, stained human being touched by the sinless perfection of God. He doesn't love us because we love Him and that's a massive difference between Godly love and human love.
There is a difference in loving others for romantic reasons (with potentially the very very high cost involved if it all goes
wrong; and reaching out to a person in God's love who is in need etc, without any expectation of gaining anything back. You don't have to experience romantic love Eros, in order to express Agape love. In fact I would suggest that it is only when two people have experienced God's Agape love that they can truely understand the true love
between themselves and understand what God intended in a relationship.
Honestly I think couples should exam themselves in the light of 1 Cor 13 and that this should be read out at weddings.
Maybe my standards are too high, but I know they are attainable. I see this kind of love in the married couples I know at church.
No offence intended.
I agree with you. By the way I love this verse 1 Cor 13. I often tell members here about this verse is all matter if you are speaking of unconditional love.
N
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
Do they not speak of "Song of Solomon"? I may guess for most of roman catholic won't hear this in the church, however those who are close to sisters(nannies) they may ask about this song and they will tell you. I love this song, definitely it changed my perception.
Do they not speak of "Song of Solomon"? I may guess for most of roman catholic won't hear this in the church, however those who are close to sisters(nannies) they may ask about this song and they will tell you. I love this song, definitely it changed my perception.
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
I could write a book to respond to your comments. NO, it is not in the BIBLE that GOD helps those who help themselves. It is supposed to give gumption to those who are layed back and care less, those more on the lazy side who expect GOD to be their Big Santa Claus or Genie in the sky, ready to jump and grant wishes and answer prayers immediately. Yes, miracles happen daily...although you may not see it with your eyes or hear it with your ears. We entertain angels unawares also. We are all spiritual beings housed in a temporary human body. To rule out miracles means you have no spiritual maturity or growth showing. That is not a judgement statement, it only reflects your walk, or should I say Lack of walking , with CHRIST and allowing the holy spirit to be utilized in you.
I could write a book to respond to your comments. NO, it is not in the BIBLE that GOD helps those who help themselves. It is supposed to give gumption to those who are layed back and care less, those more on the lazy side who expect GOD to be their Big Santa Claus or Genie in the sky, ready to jump and grant wishes and answer prayers immediately. Yes, miracles happen daily...although you may not see it with your eyes or hear it with your ears. We entertain angels unawares also. We are all spiritual beings housed in a temporary human body. To rule out miracles means you have no spiritual maturity or growth showing. That is not a judgement statement, it only reflects your walk, or should I say Lack of walking , with CHRIST and allowing the holy spirit to be utilized in you.
N
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
The first bold sentence agrees with the first part of your quote. Did you look at the site? It states it is not in the bible.
The second bold statement agrees with what you said about being unaware.
The third bold phrase agrees with your last statement that I need to take an active part in the maturation of my faith.
Likewise, I cannot see anything wrong with helping the needy, caring for the sick, visiting those in prison, or whatever you like that aligns with scripture and thereby placing oneself in a postion that might just get you in touch with someone of like mind, helping others along with you. If that is unbiblical, I'm not aware of why. If someone asks you out, while you are busy doing these things and getting to know different folks, would you consider it and accept if you believe it's safe?
This is not a challenge, so much as a proof of my last statements to you. It's also an opportunity for you to answer with wisdom born or spiritual maturity to those of us who want to hear and learn. Please do so and offer scripture as you desire. If we need correction, correct...as I have posted before, I am not hear to teach, but to learn. My opinions may be correct or incorrect. Still, they are mine and not meant to draw everyone to my thoughts, just to voice an opinion.
The first bold sentence agrees with the first part of your quote. Did you look at the site? It states it is not in the bible.
The second bold statement agrees with what you said about being unaware.
The third bold phrase agrees with your last statement that I need to take an active part in the maturation of my faith.
Likewise, I cannot see anything wrong with helping the needy, caring for the sick, visiting those in prison, or whatever you like that aligns with scripture and thereby placing oneself in a postion that might just get you in touch with someone of like mind, helping others along with you. If that is unbiblical, I'm not aware of why. If someone asks you out, while you are busy doing these things and getting to know different folks, would you consider it and accept if you believe it's safe?
This is not a challenge, so much as a proof of my last statements to you. It's also an opportunity for you to answer with wisdom born or spiritual maturity to those of us who want to hear and learn. Please do so and offer scripture as you desire. If we need correction, correct...as I have posted before, I am not hear to teach, but to learn. My opinions may be correct or incorrect. Still, they are mine and not meant to draw everyone to my thoughts, just to voice an opinion.
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
Gentlemen, you are now free to either take this debate to another thread or start your own.
Please don't take this one off track any more than you already have. I wrote this and am still hoping for more answers pertaining to the original subject.
The entire rest of the forum is open for you to talk about whatever you wish. Please take it there.
Gentlemen, you are now free to either take this debate to another thread or start your own.
Please don't take this one off track any more than you already have. I wrote this and am still hoping for more answers pertaining to the original subject.
The entire rest of the forum is open for you to talk about whatever you wish. Please take it there.
M
Re: What Does The Church Tell Older, More Experienced Singles? "Just Wait On The Lord
Think I've had a light bulb moment.
boy cookie meets girl cookie, if they stand on solid ground they live happily ever after.
if they dive into the cuppa, they go all squishy
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Think I've had a light bulb moment.
boy cookie meets girl cookie, if they stand on solid ground they live happily ever after.
if they dive into the cuppa, they go all squishy
Google Image Result for http://7-themes.com/data_images/out/65/6994025-cookies-baking-christmas-cup-holiday.jpg