Heavenly Minded

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hoss2576

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I heard a story today of a youth pastor who was leaving his church to start a new one. His wife had a little concern, because they have six kids all under the age of ten. Planting a new church meant they would have to probably rely on her income as a nurse for a good bit of time until there was a steady church group. Now the youth pastor is also a nurse, but he will not use his nursing as a means of income, not even part time. He has told her that "it would take me away from God's work." Basically, he didn't want any of his time to be taken away from ministry.

There is the need of the youth pastor to provide for his wife and six kids. He also has to address the concerns of his wife. Then he has this new direction of ministry he is driven to go to. I don't really want to focus on the youth pastor, because there just isn't any way to know the totality of the situation. We don't know what the Lord told him, and we all know church planting is a huge step in faith. I just want to illustrate the different levels faced.

Hearing this though, I thought of a saying my mom would say to describe Christians who had a similar outlook at times. She would say that "they were so Heavenly minded that they were no earthly good." Its an old cliche and somewhat blunt, but I got what she meant. She wasn't saying it to be mean, just that it was surprising that people could be so focused on God, but yet not actually doing His work when it was in front of them.

When we tease "Jesus Jukers" aren't we somewhat attaching that same thing to them? If a person asks where they can get a good mattress so they can sleep better, and someone responds "You can find rest in the Lord," the person didn't really give a practical answer. They weren't wrong, but it didn't solve the problem about where to get a good mattress.

Do you believe that people can be so busy or scoped in on the work of the church that they can forget their own work as individual Christians? Is there such a thing in your mind as the idea of "being so Heavenly minded, no earthly good?"
 

PopClick

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Now the youth pastor is also a nurse, but he will not use his nursing as a means of income, not even part time. He has told her that "it would take me away from God's work." Basically, he didn't want any of his time to be taken away from ministry.
But providing for one's family IS God's work.

"But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."

I don't know the whole situation, but "Doing God's work" involves a lot more than planting churches. It involves doing everything He told us to do.
 
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Pipp

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Yes... I've seen people so involved in ministry that they neglected the needs of their own family... and I've seen them lose their families more than once sadly. Doing the work of the Lord is awesome but God wont tell a man to be so busy they neglect the family he gave them.
 
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Shouryu

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Do you believe that people can be so busy or scoped in on the work of the church that they can forget their own work as individual Christians? Is there such a thing in your mind as the idea of "being so Heavenly minded, no earthly good?"
That's how some of the Thessalonians were, and why Paul had to constantly reassure them. They were so focused on Christ's return that 1) many were frightened that they must have missed it or 2) they had no reason to do anything else but sit around and wait for it to happen. They literally stopped working since they thought it was a waste of time. You KNOW it had to have gotten bad if Paul actually had to give the directive of, "If someone doesn't work, then they don't get to eat."

So, there's a biblical example right there. If I recall, the same could be said of one or two of the seven churches addressed in Revelation as well.
 

cinder

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I think far too many people have this false dichotomy in their minds that separates things into categories of spiritual activity and not spiritual activity. So people want to be more spiritual and start investing (or clearing out their time to invest but then not doing anything) their time in spiritual activities and neglecting the rest of life. And it can get really bad in churches (and online christian sites) where the only question that seems to matter to church people is "Are you saved?" regardless of what problems an individual is facing. I run in circles where people are always trying (and claiming) to hear from God, and I have become a bit jaded and skeptical about such things. I do believe God guides, but I think very often we mix our own ideas in and try to claim God's backing for them.

Have we respected others and shown them love (especially our families and closest associates)? Are we maintaining integrity and keeping our word and commitments? Those are basic character things and things that should be hallmarks of those who follow Christ. If what "God says" leads you to go against that, well I'm going to be really skeptical about whether it was God or not and reluctant to support you in that course of action. Bottom line, I can only evaluate someone's behavior and actions; I can't evaluate someone else's experience with God, but I must keep my own conscience clear.
 
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nw2u

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Folks can get immersed in anything so fully that they will neglect important duties. It happens with hobbies, gambling, sports, video games, the internet or any number of things.
 

seoulsearch

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For me personally, I think the difference is when someone's piousness is actually pride "hidden" under a supposedly devout, "I'm more Godly than you" attitude.

To me, the best example the Bible had of this was the Pharisees and top spiritual leaders of the day. They were chock-full of "Godly" comebacks and quips, yet Jesus seemed to reserve some of His strongest words for them. He called them "white washed tombs", "vipers", and said that one day, God would tell them, "Away from me. I never knew you." He also scolded them severely for "giving the people burdens they could not carry while never lifting a finger to help them", which is what I'm always reminded of when people make "righteous-sounding", but otherwise completely useless statements for a given situation.

Even as a child, this always fascinated me... and made me wonder what God will have to say for some of the ultra-pious, but actually very prideful, people of today, even if they know the Scripture forwards and backwards. After all, that was the Pharisee's specialty, too.
 
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That's how some of the Thessalonians were, and why Paul had to constantly reassure them. They were so focused on Christ's return that 1) many were frightened that they must have missed it or 2) they had no reason to do anything else but sit around and wait for it to happen. They literally stopped working since they thought it was a waste of time. You KNOW it had to have gotten bad if Paul actually had to give the directive of, "If someone doesn't work, then they don't get to eat."

So, there's a biblical example right there. If I recall, the same could be said of one or two of the seven churches addressed in Revelation as well.
Actually, it's those who are not willing to work that shouldn't/won't get to eat (shouldn't/won't depends on which translation). From 2 Thess. 3:10

I just think that was important because there are some who are willing to work, but just haven't been able to find work..
 
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Shouryu

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Actually, it's those who are not willing to work that shouldn't/won't get to eat (shouldn't/won't depends on which translation). From 2 Thess. 3:10

I just think that was important because there are some who are willing to work, but just haven't been able to find work..
You are ABSOLUTELY right on this. This is definitely one of the cases where wording is super important, and I dropped the ball on that one. Thanks for clarifying that, Z.
 
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You are ABSOLUTELY right on this. This is definitely one of the cases where wording is super important, and I dropped the ball on that one. Thanks for clarifying that, Z.
Well it wasn't THAT bad lol, it just bothered me a little and I felt like I shouldn't ignore it.. :)