Harassment in the Workplace... And It's From the Customers.

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seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Hey Everyone,

Harassment in the workplace is always a big topic, but the only things I read about are when it has to do between workers, whether it be management or lower level employees.

What happens if it's the customers who are harassing you? What rights and legal options do you have, if any?

As most know, I've worked in retail and customer service all my life, and I've never once heard about an employee's right to defend themselves against harassment from a customer. Does recognition of such abuses even exist, let alone have its own support network?

Over the years, I've dealt with and have seen my co-workers deal with some things that are unimaginable, and yet they happen on a regular basis. From racial insults to outward sexual propositions, we're just expected to take it. It doesn't matter who or what gets sacrificed, as long as you keep getting the customer to return and hopefully spend money.

What angers me most is when vulnerable young women are preyed upon. Now, this could happen to any age and any gender, but if you are unaware that this happens, I hope this information will help people protect themselves

In my work settings (and this has been all over the country), there have been several cases in which an older male customer comes in and claims to be in a certain prestigious profession (doctor, dentist, lawyer) or own a business, and will tell one of our young female employees that he is "looking for a secretary" or to hire someone for his office. Of course, he offers everything someone wants to hear: great pay, banker's hours, and insurance. He will then ask for the young woman's number, calling or texting her to "meet him for an interview." You can imagine what kind of danger she may be placing herself into if she goes.

And even if she does not, what often follows are a series of inappropriate calls, questions, and propositions. Often times, money will be offered for sexual favors. The most common targets are the youngest female workers and young single mothers--women who are seen as naive and easy targets for the supposed money. One young girl I knew (she was only 18 years old) had a man in his 60's offer her $1000 in exchange for her "company" (seeing as this is a family forum, that's all I'll say), and it shocked her to the point of having anxiety attacks.

Although the women I've known who have fallen into this trap were not harmed, they HAVE dealt with a level of harassment that I can't even imagine. I don't know of any of them who eventually went to the police (which is what I personally would do), and none, that I know of, received any help or acknowledgment of their situation from their employer.

In any case I knew about, even when informed, management never even acknowledged it, judging it as a personal matter and outside their jurisdiction. In some cases, the women were laughed at, and nothing was ever done, nor was the customer ever reprimanded. (I realize it boils down to "he said, she said", but I know if I were the one being harassed, I would document EVERYTHING, saving every call and text, just so that I had clear proof.)

I know many of you out there work in customer service regularly.

Do you see, or worst of all, put up with these abuses yourself, and how do you deal with them?

(I realize this is a sensitive issue and that people might not want to come forward with a personal story. Perhaps, if it would help, maybe it can be told as something that happened to "someone you know".)

I myself am wondering how many others out there see and have to put up with this.

I become especially enraged for my younger co-workers and I wish there was a way to protect them.
 

Lynx

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Of course I, being a 37 year old male, have no personal experience with this. But I have seen it happen to coworkers, as recently as last week and (as far as I know) currently ongoing. There's this guy who comes through the drive-through specifically to see a certain (much younger) girl who he knows works the window cash register. He always makes rather forward remarks to her. Once he parked and demanded she personally take his drink out to the car instead of handing it out the window.

Kinda makes you want to carry a can of mace... just in case... right in the face...
 

Lynx

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I might mention that although this situation has been the subject of quite a few jokes (hey, we employ a lot of teens) the managers do take it seriously and have begun actively dissuading the guy's intentions and attentions.
 

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OutWrite Trouble
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Of course I, being a 37 year old male, have no personal experience with this. But I have seen it happen to coworkers, as recently as last week and (as far as I know) currently ongoing. There's this guy who comes through the drive-through specifically to see a certain (much younger) girl who he knows works the window cash register. He always makes rather forward remarks to her. Once he parked and demanded she personally take his drink out to the car instead of handing it out the window.

Kinda makes you want to carry a can of mace... just in case... right in the face...
This kind of thing makes me so mad.

No one should be able to make personal demands on someone like this. I hate it when people abuse their position, no matter what it might be.

I understand "customer service"--I'm a customer too in much of my spare time, but this is abusive manipulation, not customer service.

Workers should have some sort of right to be able to defend themselves... and say no to customer demands that are not a matter of customer service.

P.S. Just read your second post, Lynx. If you managers take this seriously and actively do something to stop it, it's going to be tempting to come work for your place of business someday.
 

Lynx

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Oh believe me, the dude got a resounding "No!" about the personal drink delivery. And he got a few other comments.

(Un)fortunately I was busy at the grill at the time. I had a few comments I would have made. But the manager was perhaps more polite about it, while still getting the message across.
 
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Well, yes. There should be an expectation of basic decency and decorum in the workplace. Management should be informed (and deal with the offending customer) immediately, up to and including refusing service.

I'm my own manager, and while I'm comfortable with a level of playful banter, if it crosses the line into something inappropriate, my voice and manner changes and I do not suffer that foolishness. You grow a thick skin to some of it, and know how to expect appropriateness. If I ever feel unsafe, I will rely on the resources at my disposal (the market manager for one).

I also NEVER open my door if I'm not expecting a guest... because I do all my selling at a public market. I'm rather playful and have a bit of cheek at work, but again, I know the appropriate boundaries and keep them firm... and get back up if needed.

I also take regular self-defense for women classes that encourage appropriate aggressiveness if/when needed.
 
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I will say, Seoul? These women who are being solicited are being harrassed. Last time I checked? That is grounds for legal action, isn't it?
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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I will say, Seoul? These women who are being solicited are being harrassed. Last time I checked? That is grounds for legal action, isn't it?
Yes, exactly.

But I don't know anyone who has actually taken legal action. They're young and/or single moms who either haven't thought about taking this step, don't believe they have the money for legal action, or don't have solid "proof" (sometimes the person makes all the approaches via spoken word and so there is nothing to prove what was said.)

And because they already get laughed at or made fun of for what happens, they don't really want anymore attention brought to it (they feel stupid for having believed a legitimate job was being offered.)

I have to admit that if something like that happened to me, I'd have to weigh in that factor too--would anyone really believe me? Or even care enough to punish the perpetrator?
 
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MissCris

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When I worked as a housekeeper, I occasionally received some inappropriate comments/offers/touching from hotel guests. Mostly, guests just ignored the girls who cleaned up after them, but sometimes the men would be a little flirtatious; that was fine, up to a point. It was when it went beyond a compliment or harmless joking that it became an issue.

In the year I worked there:

A male guest made a joke to me about being drawn to a woman in a maid outfit (which is Not what we wore- the uniform was black pants, and a button-up plum colored smock, fitted at the waist). And I laughed it off and pushed my cart down the hall closer to the other housekeeper on that floor. Later, the same guy came to find me to ask if I could come and get his trash even though he had a Do Not Disturb sign up. I took the other housekeeper with me, because safety and policy, and she held the door open while I changed out the trash bag. As I was walking out of the room, past the guy, he put a hand on my shoulder and told me my hair was "hot" (my bangs were purple at that point) and asked if I'd like to just stay and keep him company. I pushed his hand off and hurried out. The other girl told me once the door was closed that the guy was making a...disgusting gesture with his hips behind my back. I went to my boss about it right then, and while she didn't tell the guy to leave or anything, she did send the maintenance guy up to talk to the man about staying away from us girls. And since the guy had booked another three nights, my boss also personally supervised any other interactions with him (giving him fresh towels, etc.), along with both of the maintenance guys. Oh, and she took me off that section of rooms for the rest of his stay.

Other incidents, I never even mentioned to my boss. I was kind of afraid that I would be the one in trouble, plus it was just embarrassing. There were a couple things said to me that I wouldn't have been able to repeat without melting into a vaguely Cristen shaped puddle on the floor out of humiliation. Once, I was offered a bigger tip if I would unbutton my top while cleaning. And one guy invited me to come back after work, saying that the jacuzzi was too big for just one person. This kind of thing, I pointedly ignored and then got the heck away from their rooms.

This stuff wasn't happening every day or anything, but I guess I felt like it would be pointless to tell anyone because we were ALL dealing with this kind of crap from time to time, and I didn't want to be the complainer of the group. It was dumb, because after that one incident, it was obvious that management was going to take me (or any of us) seriously and protect us.

But it's heartbreaking and sickening that so many businesses Don't protect their employees from customers. And just as sad that employees are often afraid to speak up.
 

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OutWrite Trouble
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Cristen,

Thank you so, so much for being brave enough to share this!!! I am very sorry these things happened to you and so glad to hear that your manager took you seriously and took measures to protect you.

I can completely understand about not wanting to seem like the one who complains and why that would keep someone from speaking up. Unfortunately, I think most people who go through these things don't feel they can ask anyone for help (which I completely understand.)

One of my hopes in even bringing this subject up is that others, especially our younger friends out there, will be aware and take measures to protect themselves.

For example, if someone approaches you with "a job offer", always take precautions. Personally, I don't trust people who try to solicit workers on the job, but that could just be me. If I were a young person, I would have a parent call the number first to find out if it's even legit. Always make sure you know what you're getting into, and only agree to meet someone in a well-known public place. If you are supposedly going to a real interview, it should be in a professional setting and not, for instance, at someone's house. Always take someone with you and have them wait right at the place. Both people should have their phones on hand to be able to call in case of an emergency. (To me, all this trouble alone wouldn't be worth it even if it was a real offer--if the person is a true professional, they would have a professional method of finding employees.)

And, be sure to document everything with the place, date, and time it happened. (Even if it was a spoken conversation, write down what was said, or your best approximation.)

I'm sure other people out there will have more tips and advice, and I'm really hoping they will share.

I have a lot of concern when I talk to some of my younger co-workers who may be starting their first job and don't realize this this kind of behavior from customers is not normal, nor should it be tolerated.
 

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OutWrite Trouble
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I know we are supposed to forgive and pray for people but...

When I'm feeling especially low and that someone is getting away with something, I always remind myself that everyone is accountable to God, and I have every hope that He does not overlook such abuses, nor will He just let them go.
 

Nautilus

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I work in a kitchen where we openly harass each other almost constantly. So I'm probably not the best person for this topic.
 

Lynx

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I work in a kitchen where I take my phone and earbuds at all times. If conversation turns to that kind of junk I plug my music in.