Hearing From God. How Do You Do It?

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Ahwatukee

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I am, but someone posted verses about not telling people you're fasting. So I'm not fasting. *wink, wink*
He was correct. Jesus spoke about the Jewish leaders who did everything for a pretense and would disfigure their faces so that people would know that they were fasting. Jesus said, when you fast don't let anyone know that you are fasting. Keep it between you and God and you will receive your blessing from God. Same thing with prayer, don't pray out in public to be seen by people. When you pray, go into your room and pray to your heavenly Father who sees in secret and he will reward you openly. If you let people know that you are fasting, you've received your reward in full, but not from God. Same thing when you give or do a good work to someone.
 
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chancer

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I am, but someone posted verses about not telling people you're fasting. So I'm not fasting. *wink, wink*

LOL ... I like to use Daniel as an example of fasting. He made a decision to consecrate His heart to God, because he believed eating the Kings good food and wine was contrary to Gods will. The word meat here means 'rich food' ... Daniel neither objected or complained about being taught by the Babylonians or about his name being changed. His conviction lead him to use his wisdom and God's favour. I think fasting is very much a heart thing. You can fast something you feel would either be sacrificial for the Lord, or something you feel by doing so would draw you closer to the Lord. Fasting is and act of worship to draw closer to the Lord first and foremost, any other benefits ... in my view are secondary. I believe if we do it in this heart, then the Lord will honour us with His presence. Not because its a principle of do this and this will happen... but simply because He draws close to those who earnestly seek Him. So I would't fast any-time soon ... *nudge nudge* :p
 
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chancer

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By the way my last statement with the principle thing means its a heart thing and not a method :D ... thought I'd elaborate because I seemed to contradict itself.
 

Ahwatukee

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LOL ... I like to use Daniel as an example of fasting. He made a decision to consecrate His heart to God, because he believed eating the Kings good food and wine was contrary to Gods will. The word meat here means 'rich food' ... Daniel neither objected or complained about being taught by the Babylonians or about his name being changed. His conviction lead him to use his wisdom and God's favour. I think fasting is very much a heart thing. You can fast something you feel would either be sacrificial for the Lord, or something you feel by doing so would draw you closer to the Lord. Fasting is and act of worship to draw closer to the Lord first and foremost, any other benefits ... in my view are secondary. I believe if we do it in this heart, then the Lord will honour us with His presence. Not because its a principle of do this and this will happen... but simply because He draws close to those who earnestly seek Him. So I would't fast any-time soon ... *nudge nudge* :p
Hello Chancer,

I might also add that it is a humbling of the flesh by denying one self before God.
 
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Tintin

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He was correct. Jesus spoke about the Jewish leaders who did everything for a pretense and would disfigure their faces so that people would know that they were fasting. Jesus said, when you fast don't let anyone know that you are fasting. Keep it between you and God and you will receive your blessing from God. Same thing with prayer, don't pray out in public to be seen by people. When you pray, go into your room and pray to your heavenly Father who sees in secret and he will reward you openly. If you let people know that you are fasting, you've received your reward in full, but not from God. Same thing when you give or do a good work to someone.
I know, I know. I'm not doing this for brownie points with people, or even for brownie points with God. I'm doing this for me. And for my relationship with God.
 

Ahwatukee

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I know, I know. I'm not doing this for brownie points with people, or even for brownie points with God. I'm doing this for me. And for my relationship with God.
Yes, I understand and that is exactly the reason that you don't tell anyone, because when you do, you loose your benefit from God, by telling other's. I had a friend who was posting information on another site and he came right out and told everyone that he was fasting for forty days. I told him that it would be a good idea to abort this one and reschedule and that because he lost his benefit with God when he did that. Therefore, brownie points, relationship with God, their both the same. Regardless, Jesus said, keep it between you and God. I'm just giving you some brotherly advise here so that you get the benefit from God.

* Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.


When you give:
"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Mt.6:2-4)

When you pray:
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And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Mt.6:5-7)

When you fast:
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When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Mt.6:16-18)

Therefore, the Lord is saying that it doesn't matter what your reason is, don't do it. If you want any kind of benefit/blessing from God, then keep whatever you do between him and you.
 
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Tintin

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Yes, I understand and that is exactly the reason that you don't tell anyone, because when you do, you loose your benefit from God, by telling others. I had a friend who was posting information on another site and he came right out and told everyone that he was fasting for forty days. I told him that it would be a good idea to abort this one and reschedule and that because he lost his benefit with God when he did that. Therefore, brownie points, relationship with God, their both the same. Regardless, Jesus said, keep it between you and God. I'm just giving you some brotherly advise here so that you get the benefit from God.

* Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.


When you give:
"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Mt.6:2-4)

When you pray:
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And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Mt.6:5-7)

When you fast:
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When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Mt.6:16-18)

Therefore, the Lord is saying that it doesn't matter what your reason is, don't do it. If you want any kind of benefit/blessing from God, then keep whatever you do between him and you.
Wow. I find you rather rude. I don't think God is petty. Besides, this all started when a friend here mentioned fasting as a way of hearing from God and I thought it would be a good idea. I'm not running around saying, look at me! Look at me! Or anything like that. I've also asked people to help me in my fast by praying. Apparently, that's also a big no-no. Never mind that we're meant to lift each other up in prayer. I'm struggling here and all you have for me is, 'well, looks like you blew it. Try again'. I'm out. Goodbye.
 
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Sometimes I see a dream of something before it happens and the good thing with that is that I am prepared or can cope when it happens.
And that makes me believe that God can speak to me in this way when ever necessary so I don't have to stress about hearing from Him, I believe He can if He wants to.

God bless
 
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Please. Thank you.
I ask him.

Simple.

"God, speak to me. I'm ready."

You gotta open yourself to hear His voice, and prepare to hear it. I read the Word, I put worship music on, and I journal in order to prepare myself. And sometimes, I can't hear Him. But, He is moving. He doesn't always have to speak with words, remember that. I could be sitting in the car with my Mom and we are in total silence. But, I still love her and she still loves me. Doesn't change our relationship. We're just sitting in comfortable silence.

Don't make the silence uncomfortable if you don't hear the Lord. Because it's only "uncomfortable" if you make it uncomfortable. :)

It's all different for people, but.....ask Him to speak and be ready.

"For your servant is listening."
 

Rachel20

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Hey Tintin.

I am sorry you seem to be going through a lot. I understand and wish I could help you out. I've been through this stage too, where I was desperately seeking God out through any means and I probably still am.

I want God to make sense of what's happening in my life - spell things out clearly and JUST TALK TO ME!!

I think though it's not about doing things to make God speak to you. Like other posters have mentioned - if God had something to tell you He would.

Maybe the silence is a period in which God expects you to trust in Him. No matter what happens - what outcome you're dealt with in life you should rest in the peace that God loves you.


And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Romans 8:28



Don't let the unnecessary chatter in your brain drown out the peace that God can give you.

Whatever that is troubling, even if it is just to ask God to speak to you pray but don't be anxious.

Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Philippians 4:6-8



Keep praying. If you must, fast too, but don't look at it like some sort of short cut to get God to hear you. He is the almighty Creator and just trust that He hears you, even your deepest anguish and silent tears at all times.

I've heard from many Christians this adage "During a test, the teacher is always silent."

Perhaps that is what is happening to you.

And don't fear being tested. Just hold on and stay strong.


Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.


James 1:2-4

God has you in the palm of His hands. Nothing is impossible for Him and even the hairs on your head is counted. Be at peace and don't let all this noise and anxiousness trouble you.

So be still and wait on the Lord.

He is a faithful God who never lets down those who trust in Him :)




PS - Isaiah 58:1-12 about true fasting. Do check it out too.
 
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How do you learn to love God again when you don't even trust Him anymore?
It may be safe to say that you have to love yourself first. I'm not saying you don't, but think about it. Once you know this for sure, then its one blessing at a time, being thankful for every single blessing, from each heartbeat to the very air we breathe.

Remember, you're being refined right now like pure gold, but it is often a difficult, troubling process. You have the Spirit of God in you, Brother, everyone here sees it, yet sometimes its those who have been closest to God who struggle as you do.

Will be keeping you lifted in thought and prayer. God bless you. :)
 

seoulsearch

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Yes, I understand and that is exactly the reason that you don't tell anyone, because when you do, you loose your benefit from God, by telling other's. I had a friend who was posting information on another site and he came right out and told everyone that he was fasting for forty days. I told him that it would be a good idea to abort this one and reschedule and that because he lost his benefit with God when he did that. Therefore, brownie points, relationship with God, their both the same. Regardless, Jesus said, keep it between you and God. I'm just giving you some brotherly advise here so that you get the benefit from God.

* Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.


When you give:
"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Mt.6:2-4)

When you pray:
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And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Mt.6:5-7)

When you fast:
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When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you fast, put oil on your head and wash your face, so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Mt.6:16-18)

Therefore, the Lord is saying that it doesn't matter what your reason is, don't do it. If you want any kind of benefit/blessing from God, then keep whatever you do between him and you.
I understand the principles that are being given here but would like to add a few things (I just read all 3 pages of posts so hopefully I'm understanding everything in the right context.)

The main principle that God is after in these verses is PRIDE. As always, He is concerned about the motivation of the heart and is basically saying, "Don't use your relationship with me as a way to gain points in the eyes of the people around you."

Tintin is CLEARLY not doing this in his posts. He's new to fasting, and asking for advice, which is a very Godly thing to do: James 1:5--"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously without fault, and it will be given to him."

One of the ways we ask God for help is by seeking Godly counsel from others in the faith: Proverbs 11:14--"Where there is no guidance, people fall, but there is safety in a multitude of counselors."

Tintin is doing the wise thing by asking those around him. He is clearly not "showing off" or trying to "brag" about his spirituality in any way. If anything, he's humbling himself by talking about his struggles and asking for help.

While I do understand the warning about pride, if the person is clearly not being prideful, one must be careful that they're not needlessly hurling arrows of discouragement all "in the name of God." I was in a chatroom once and a young guy, about 20 years old, wanted to talk about his first missions trip. He was so excited and on fire for the Lord, it was just contagious!!

Until some 46-year-old woman told him to be quiet because, as this post pointed out, he was supposedly "losing his credit with God" by talking about it. But this guy wasn't being prideful at all, he was just eager to share what happened. Even Paul said he would not boast foolishly like the world, but that he would put his boasting in Christ, then listed the many hardships (shipwrecks, hunger, sickness, poverty, beatings) he had gone through during his ministry.

I was so upset, because I WANTED to hear this young man's story. But discouraged (and you can see why), he quietly slipped from the room and I never saw him again. I felt so sad about that.

Ironically, I have found that often--not always, but quite often--people who are the most vocal about "keeping your deeds between God and yourself" keep emphasizing this to others because:
1. They're doing a lot for the Lord and supposedly keeping it secret, so if they can't receive any credit, acknowledgement, or encouragement for all their good works, they don't want to see anyone else being encouraged or given positive feedback either.
2. They're not really doing anything for the Lord (except harping on other people and telling them what they should or shouldn't be doing, which they see as doing a great work for God in itself) and when other people talk about their own service, it makes them feel guilty.
 

seoulsearch

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Tintin,

I also wanted to share a few of my own experiences with fasting. :)

1. Fasting doesn't always have to mean food. For me, it's sometimes meant giving up something I really liked (such as the internet for 3 days... I never knew I was addicted until I tried to quit!) for a set period of time and spending it with God instead (prayer, Bible study, worship, an extra church activity, etc.)

2. The Bible teaches that we should use wisdom and discernment. I tend to have a very extreme and sometimes addictive personality. Several years ago, I decided (and told God) that I wanted to go on a fast for 40 days--I did not eat between certain hours of the day and studied the Bible instead. My head and heart felt so much clearer after that time, that I decided, "Surely even more is better and just imagine how much closer I'll be to God in another 40 days!"

So, I took about 2 weeks off, and started again. Another 40 days. And the feeling kept escalating... so after ANOTHER 40 days, I thought to myself, "This is awesome! I'm just going to keep on going!" And so, after about another 2 weeks, I started AGAIN... ANOTHER 40-day fast.

I very well may have kept on going until one morning I woke up, and I DISTINCTLY heard a voice go off in my head that said, "SEOUL!!!! YOU ARE STARVING YOURSELF." And that shook me back into reality. I was becoming addicted to the supposed spiritual high of believing I was continuously "getting closer to God" through the controlling of my own behavior.

I have a good friend who went on a 30-day fast (NO food) and wouldn't stop. He finally told me about it and I begged him to please speak to an elder (he was afraid God would be mad at him if he stopped), but he refused for weeks BECAUSE OF PEOPLE TELLING HIM, "Keep it between YOU AND GOD OR IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!"

God teaches us balance. We must be honest with ourselves and use that discernment.

From now on, if I ever decided to go on an extended fast again (I haven't since then), I am going to find an accountability partner to check in on me and help keep me focused on the right things.

I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure God isn't going to "discount" my fasts because He's made me aware of this weaknesses and so I would rely on someone else to help keep me from going overboard.
 
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VioletReigns

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I thought I'd surrendered anything.
You can surrender this battle because it's the Lord's. :)

Beloved brother Tintin, remember Job when he went through his ordeal how his friends failed him because they accused him of sinning against God. People don’t know your heart. But God does. And those who know you in the spirit know that you are perfect in Christ. So don’t give any credence to the negatives comments posted.

As for fasting, Jesus told the disciples to fast as a form of dying to self. It’s not a religious ritual to get blessings from God. You are absolutely right – you said God is not petty like that. So you see, you did hear the Lord in your spirit. :D

Those who posted that fasting is a spiritual formula to get God’s attention or get blessed are in delusion. Hopefully they will learn that God isn’t impressed by such activity. Fasting is a personal exercise to help us to stop dwelling on our flesh and to focus instead on Christ. That’s it.

The reason the Lord said don’t put on a gloomy face & tell everyone was so we ourselves would know our motive was personal growth and for no other reason. And you know that because the voice of the spirit of Christ already confirmed it to you. And everyone on this forum knows your motive is spiritual growth and not to boast, Tintin. So just ignore the comments that are contrary to the truth. :rolleyes:

As for your faith hanging by a thread, remember that it is the faith of Jesus Christ that keeps us, not we ourselves. Your faith is secure eternally because God’s love never fails. Even if we doubt, he remains faithful. We may think we let go of his hand, but God will never let go of ours. Nothing can separate us from the love of God, which is secure forever in Christ Jesus. ♥

This battle is spiritual. But we know that Christ fought & won the battle already. He is completing what he started in you and on that, you can rely. The religious delusions and legalistic dogma that we get conditioned with all our lives don’t hold any water. All the legalistic tactics and brain washing is not our reality. Jesus Christ crucified, resurrected and dwelling in us is our only reality.

It is amazing to me and I’m sure to many others, the witness of Christ in you. Nobody on this site can deny that your heart is following hard after God. And because you despise what is not true is even more evidence of the reality of Jesus in you. He is silencing the noisy voices of the world and making his voice the only one you desire to hear. Glory to God!

Be encouraged, dear brother. Like Peter being unshackled from the guards and walking out of that prison into freedom, that’s how I see you spiritually. You are being unshackled from religious conditioning and walking out into the freedom of life in Christ Jesus. You can rest in that reality.

Thank you for sharing your spiritual journey with us. It is so encouraging!!! ♥
 

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Hi Tintin,

I know you already know that we can hear from God anytime we want to, and that is his word to us, its alive and active (Hebrews 4). I think what your going through is something that many christians go through, have done, are going through or will do at some point. can I suggest a couple of resources that may or may not help, I pray they do.

You have had many great posts offering prayer and support which is a good thing about CC. One thing that has taken me through many times when the breakers have washed over is to simply remind myself of the simple message of the gospel...we can become complacent (I do), and forget the power of the gospel message - when we focus our heart and minds upon it and not on ourselves or lifes problem (hard to to do..I know!). this isn't particularily answering you personally but in general to the question - stayed conneced to your local church, keep in community.

https://youtu.be/EMcR5vUiXFE

https://youtu.be/Iy68YXttAvw

Anyhow, prayers are with.
 
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James4redemption

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I struggle to hear from God. I used to hear from Him semi-regularly. Through reading/studying the Bible, through discussion and just hanging out with friends, through church, through prayer and worship group (shot to hell), music and through all kinds of books, movies and TV series. This year has been awfully difficult for me for a number of reasons. I feel I've been hearing very little from God. I've spent long quiet times with Him, tried to listen, to hear what He wants of me, but I don't get much, if anything. The end result is that I'm left terribly confused and frustrated and back further than square one. Much of my faith walk this year has consisted of regularly reading the Bible, singing, earnestly praying through tears and anger and full-on wrestling with Him. I feel I've become less than I was before. Like I have even less resilience and confidence than before. What's the deal? I've been a Christian for as long as I can remember (not just by name but believing), I've always struggled in some capacity, but not like this. I've experienced the dark nights of the soul and wilderness periods. But not like this. This has been going on for a couple years now and I'm so over it. I'm over everything. How do you learn to love to God again when you don't even trust Him anymore?
Bro, I think you said it yourself...you don't trust him anymore. I mean I could be wrong, but I think there has to be a compatibility of hearts to experience Him. You know there is no reason to not trust him anymore, you know that. But maybe something crept in to sever the connection. That would be something to pray for, a discernment for what that may be that has severed the connection.
 
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Tintin

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Ahwatukee, what you said is true and would be helpful if I were prideful, but I'm not. So me stretching out my hand as I'm drowning and then you (basically) pushing me under the water isn't going to help. There's a difficulty here. How do you let people know you're not eating, if, say you live with people or you're going out to tea/dinner or catching up with friends or family? It just doesn't work. That's why these verses must be read it context.

JB, thanks. I'll look into your link.

Spiritlife, cheers.

Shine, thanks, sister. It's good that you can connect to God in this way.

Rachel, good point and thank you. But I can't help thinking, learning to love God more would help in learning me to trust Him again. I don't know. But thank you. You've given me some things to think about. :)

Utah, you're right, brother. I don't know why I find it so difficult to love myself (severe bullying for half of my life certainly hasn't helped matters) but I've been comfortable with who I am and who God's made me all my life (in the sense that I haven't tried to be anyone else). Hmm.... Again, something to think about.

Kim, thank you, thank you, thank you! You understand me! I can always count on you to lend a listening ear and to speak bountiful wisdom into a situation. I have nothing to say other than thank you. Thank you, dear sister. :D

VioletReigns, thank also, dear sister for your words of encouragement and prayers. I need to be reminded constantly that it's God who sustains my life, not me. Thank you. :) The battle is the LORD's and I'm going to give it to Him.

Phil, bless you, brother. Yes, sometimes I crowd my mind and heart with the minutia of the faith, when I should just rest in the truth of the simple Gospel. Cheers.

James4Redemption, I shouldn't have said that. I do love God, but I love Him far less than I should. I'll pray for discernment and godly wisdom in regards to this and as Dino mentioned earlier, ask God to rebuild my trust in Him. Bless you, mate.

Thanks so much to all of you, my brothers and sisters. I'm overwhelmed by your prayers and words of support.
I will say this though, Christendom at large has to pull its finger out and really learn to help people in their struggles.
 
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Tintin

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A funny thing happened last night, I was watching the fourth part of an animated TV series called The Legend of Korra. It's an excellent series but not Christian by any means. That said, God used it for His glory. I can't fault the timing. There were many bits that spoke to me, several things included being your own worst enemy, fighting your demons and not being able to do it on your own (otherwise you'll turn out to be a shell of your former self), trying to fix everything on your own, being still and quieting your mind and heart to hear from God, needing to be surrounded by your loved ones to get through the especially dark times. There was a lot of other stuff to do with the nature of sin and God at work in the spiritual realm, but I can't place them right now (but they were the first four episodes of Book 4). I felt God telling me it was okay, I was to trust Him in this dark time and not to take on this battle for myself. So I guess God is talking to me!

Then, some time later, I prepared for bed and sat and read for awhile. I also read from my Bible. Esther. Not all of it, just a few chapters, but one part was about Esther preparing to meet with the king, without his permission. This was a death-sentence. But Esther, along with her family and handmaidens fasted and prayed for several days before she went in to see the king. And in the end, Esther was admitted and she didn't die and she saved her kingdom, because she trusted God. She took the step of faith required, a step that would very likely have meant her death, but she did it to save her people. God isn't at the fore-front of the Book of Esther, flashing His name in big neon lights, but there's no doubt He permeates the whole book. Thanks, God.

Let's see what He has in store...
 
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James4redemption

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Bless you too tin and enjoy getting back/closer into his presence brother