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Yes indeed. But for some reason, He felt it was all worth it, even knowing that His creation would come into ruin because of sin.
Which also brings us to the question as to why God allowed sin to happen in the first place... There are always a few lurkers who come into Singles and scold us all for not including Jesus in our every sentence. And I always want to tell ask them, "What did Adam and Eve talk to God about in the Garden of Eden every evening before the fall? I guarantee you their conversations weren't about Jesus' death and resurrection..." because it hadn't happened yet.
And that was never even God's original plan. He intended for man and woman to live with Him in eternal perfection.
The God we serve seems to highly value revealing Himself to and through His creations. As the Great Artist, He almost seems incapable of holding His creative power within and, like any of us, has an almost... "need" to express Himself through His creations (after all, we are created in His image.) Without the fall of man, we would not know that we have a God who is willing to sacrifice Himself and die for us.
Now, I'm not saying at all that this reason alone was good enough to allow sin or that God even considered this a reason (I'm prone to asking God, "How can you expect me to be grateful for a life I never asked for?") but for reasons we may never understand, God made the choices He did.
And as humans, we trust that an all-powerful God's choices... are much better than our own...
Which also brings us to the question as to why God allowed sin to happen in the first place... There are always a few lurkers who come into Singles and scold us all for not including Jesus in our every sentence. And I always want to tell ask them, "What did Adam and Eve talk to God about in the Garden of Eden every evening before the fall? I guarantee you their conversations weren't about Jesus' death and resurrection..." because it hadn't happened yet.
And that was never even God's original plan. He intended for man and woman to live with Him in eternal perfection.
The God we serve seems to highly value revealing Himself to and through His creations. As the Great Artist, He almost seems incapable of holding His creative power within and, like any of us, has an almost... "need" to express Himself through His creations (after all, we are created in His image.) Without the fall of man, we would not know that we have a God who is willing to sacrifice Himself and die for us.
Now, I'm not saying at all that this reason alone was good enough to allow sin or that God even considered this a reason (I'm prone to asking God, "How can you expect me to be grateful for a life I never asked for?") but for reasons we may never understand, God made the choices He did.
And as humans, we trust that an all-powerful God's choices... are much better than our own...
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It would not be merciful because there would be nobody to give mercy to.
There would also be none of the good things in this world. It's not the perfect world God made anymore, it has been marred by sin, but there is still a LOT more good than bad. All you have to do is eat a piece of fruit or play with a puppy to see the good.
Have you ever thought that time didn't exist until God started it? And it won't exist any more after God ends the universe? No I'm not off-topic... this has a lot to do with your initial question if you think about it.
There would also be none of the good things in this world. It's not the perfect world God made anymore, it has been marred by sin, but there is still a LOT more good than bad. All you have to do is eat a piece of fruit or play with a puppy to see the good.
Have you ever thought that time didn't exist until God started it? And it won't exist any more after God ends the universe? No I'm not off-topic... this has a lot to do with your initial question if you think about it.
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I have thought about this too at times, but then the following occurred to me,
you cannot deny your true nature and neither can God.
So people who are creative or musical have just got to be creative and make music.
People who are sociable and friendly cannot live in isolation.
People who are intelligent and highly intellectual just have to put their minds to good
use.
God is all these things and much much more. The simplest phrase in the bible
is God is love. Not God learned to love or God gave love etc, but rather
God is love.
Imagine being God with all these attributes and never using them. He created
the universe because he is the creator God, he created us because he is love and
wanted to express that love. The crucifixion was also an expression of that same love
for us.
Here is another example
2 Timothy 2:13 AMP
[13] If we are faithless do not believe and are untrue to Him, He remains true
(faithful to His Word and His righteous character), for He cannot deny Himself.
you cannot deny your true nature and neither can God.
So people who are creative or musical have just got to be creative and make music.
People who are sociable and friendly cannot live in isolation.
People who are intelligent and highly intellectual just have to put their minds to good
use.
God is all these things and much much more. The simplest phrase in the bible
is God is love. Not God learned to love or God gave love etc, but rather
God is love.
Imagine being God with all these attributes and never using them. He created
the universe because he is the creator God, he created us because he is love and
wanted to express that love. The crucifixion was also an expression of that same love
for us.
Here is another example
2 Timothy 2:13 AMP
[13] If we are faithless do not believe and are untrue to Him, He remains true
(faithful to His Word and His righteous character), for He cannot deny Himself.
S
If there were ambiguity then God would not be sovereign.
On a small scale though I haven't met many people who would maintain the perspective that they would rather have never existed then to have existed in an imperfect but redeemable state. Usually the only time I see someone maintain that view is when they are going through a time of tremendous pain and turmoil. Like Job here.
On a small scale though I haven't met many people who would maintain the perspective that they would rather have never existed then to have existed in an imperfect but redeemable state. Usually the only time I see someone maintain that view is when they are going through a time of tremendous pain and turmoil. Like Job here.
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I've actually said this to my mom when I was younger. I feel really bad about how much of a jerk I was growing up. Faking jumping off the stairs, biting myself, or phycological warfare like that. God probably feels the same way when I ask these kinds of questions, but it just happens. My brain over-thinks things (everything) too much, and I have to do something about it, which in turn hurts the people around me.
The truth is, I go through this kind of thinking temporarily. Usually my emotions come in waves. Right now I have a cheerful outlook on life, but in a weeks time I might be at the bottom again with depression. I will also go back and forth from being outgoing and a shy introvert. I'm not sure why I'm like this, but it's sort of a character trait I'd rather not have to deal with. It's gotten a little better as I've gotten older, but I just want to be content. Steady. No crazy ups and downs. Thank you for all of your input on this. I will reference this thread again when I'm feeling down.
The truth is, I go through this kind of thinking temporarily. Usually my emotions come in waves. Right now I have a cheerful outlook on life, but in a weeks time I might be at the bottom again with depression. I will also go back and forth from being outgoing and a shy introvert. I'm not sure why I'm like this, but it's sort of a character trait I'd rather not have to deal with. It's gotten a little better as I've gotten older, but I just want to be content. Steady. No crazy ups and downs. Thank you for all of your input on this. I will reference this thread again when I'm feeling down.