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Tintin

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Yep. So peaceful. So good. Pfffttt.
This 5 minute video isn't tame, but it is good. Unlike Islam.

[video=youtube;Kn9mAb6rYS8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn9mAb6rYS8&feature=share[/video]
 

Dino246

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Thanks Tintin. These are just the largest single atrocities noted. Another scholar puts the total number of people (estimated) killed directly through Moslem conquest at 250 million. Think all of America except Texas, Florida and New York. This is the Islamic version of peace? ... Reminds me of a Bible verse... Jeremiah 8:11.
 

ChandlerFan

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When it comes to dealing with people of other worldviews, I try to stick to one rule of thumb: I should be able to articulate the other person's point of view in such a way that when I repeat it back to them, they are in agreement. Only then do I demonstrate that I have given them the respect and dignity of hearing their argument.

My problem with this video is that I have personally interacted with Muslims who have never once even considered killing another person, and they would very passionately argue that Islam is a peaceful religion in whose name many have committed unthinkable atrocities. The same can be said about Christianity, and people even today wrongly use Scripture to say and do terrible things. To label Islam as a whole as a murderous religion and to label all Muslims this way is way overgeneralizing and shuts all possible doors for conversation and even evangelization of Muslims to happen. Evangelizing Muslims is hard enough. Let's not make it harder.

I also just have to say that it's hard for me to rely on or listen to such an obnoxious and sarcastic person (and he doesn't even quote the Koran anywhere in this video).
 

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When it comes to dealing with people of other worldviews, I try to stick to one rule of thumb: I should be able to articulate the other person's point of view in such a way that when I repeat it back to them, they are in agreement. Only then do I demonstrate that I have given them the respect and dignity of hearing their argument.

My problem with this video is that I have personally interacted with Muslims who have never once even considered killing another person, and they would very passionately argue that Islam is a peaceful religion in whose name many have committed unthinkable atrocities. The same can be said about Christianity, and people even today wrongly use Scripture to say and do terrible things. To label Islam as a whole as a murderous religion and to label all Muslims this way is way overgeneralizing and shuts all possible doors for conversation and even evangelization of Muslims to happen. Evangelizing Muslims is hard enough. Let's not make it harder.

I also just have to say that it's hard for me to rely on or listen to such an obnoxious and sarcastic person (and he doesn't even quote the Koran anywhere in this video).
islam denies Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. It earns no respect from me.
 

Demi777

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HA this thread is lovely. Now lets open the Quoran /and or Handith together and learn about the Religion of peace:
quoran 3:28

Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allah is the final return.

Sahih 101
[h=2]Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment.
Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permitted in order to deceive an "enemy."

Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
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Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Should I go on???


 

ChandlerFan

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There are lots of biblical passages I could pull out that sound quite similar.
 

ChandlerFan

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With respect, this ^^^^ may be the dumbest post I've ever seen.
I don't think there is any way to respectfully call a post dumb. But I would like to see where the Bible says that those who are not Christians are not worthy of our respect. For every verse you can find (no doubt out of context), I could give you several that talk about loving others and that give a theological framework for why we are instructed to do so.
 
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I don't think there is any way to respectfully call a post dumb. But I would like to see where the Bible says that those who are not Christians are not worthy of our respect. For every verse you can find (no doubt out of context), I could give you several that talk about loving others and that give a theological framework for why we are instructed to do so.
Yes but it also does not say be a doormat and let islam walk over your face, rub their poop on you and toss you aside (all things a doormat has to suffer) I don't hate islamic people b/c they are deceived but I have every right to hate islam as a belief/concept because it is anti-christ by denying the deity, resurrection, and Son of God that Jesus really is....

I can't believe how passive Christian have become due to the idiocy of the media telling everyone islam is peaceful and that you MUST tolerate it and embrace it! Screw you media they get the finger to that....Im not going to be a doormat Christian and embrace islam...it can go to hell where it belongs....

You can respect the person but not the belief system....case in point...you can respect an athiest but not atheism to respect athiesm is a way of condoning it which is completely contrary to Christianity.....
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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When it comes to dealing with people of other worldviews, I try to stick to one rule of thumb: I should be able to articulate the other person's point of view in such a way that when I repeat it back to them, they are in agreement. Only then do I demonstrate that I have given them the respect and dignity of hearing their argument.

My problem with this video is that I have personally interacted with Muslims who have never once even considered killing another person, and they would very passionately argue that Islam is a peaceful religion in whose name many have committed unthinkable atrocities. The same can be said about Christianity, and people even today wrongly use Scripture to say and do terrible things. To label Islam as a whole as a murderous religion and to label all Muslims this way is way overgeneralizing and shuts all possible doors for conversation and even evangelization of Muslims to happen. Evangelizing Muslims is hard enough. Let's not make it harder.

I also just have to say that it's hard for me to rely on or listen to such an obnoxious and sarcastic person (and he doesn't even quote the Koran anywhere in this video).
I agree.

I don't understand the point of this thread.

Is it to speak against Islam?

Why does the OP feel compelled to speak out against Islam?
Does this thread lead one from the Islamic faith to the Christian faith?
No, I think it simply condemns Islam.
 

ChandlerFan

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Yes but it also does not say be a doormat and let islam walk over your face, rub their poop on you and toss you aside (all things a doormat has to suffer) I don't hate islamic people b/c they are deceived but I have every right to hate islam as a belief/concept because it is anti-christ by denying the deity, resurrection, and Son of God that Jesus really is....

I can't believe how passive Christian have become due to the idiocy of the media telling everyone islam is peaceful and that you MUST tolerate it and embrace it! Screw you media they get the finger to that....Im not going to be a doormat Christian and embrace islam...it can go to hell where it belongs....

You can respect the person but not the belief system....case in point...you can respect an athiest but not atheism to respect athiesm is a way of condoning it which is completely contrary to Christianity.....
Thank you for a thoughtful response. I am not saying in any way that we should be a doormat, though you have to weigh those words with what Jesus says when he commands us to turn the other cheek when stricken on the first. By all means, Islam is a false religion that promotes lies about God, Jesus Christ, salvation, etc. I am in no way saying that we should accept it as valid. I do believe, however, that biblically we must keep in mind that Muslims are simply lost and are seeking the same thing that we are all seeking. They are aware of their own sinfulness and are seeking for salvation from it. The problem is that they are looking in the wrong place. By shouting them down, using language and rhetoric that alienates them, or by refusing to have a two-way conversation with them, we are throwing away our opportunity to share the Gospel with them and give them an opportunity to find true healing and forgiveness of sins.

Respect the person, discard the worldview absolutely. Just keep in mind that when a person so closely attaches their identity with their worldview, you have to address the person and the worldview both in such a way that you don't alienate the person even as you argue against their worldview. Speaking the truth in love is what it is all about.
 
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Ultimatum77

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Yep. So peaceful. So good. Pfffttt.
This 5 minute video isn't tame, but it is good. Unlike Islam.

[video=youtube;Kn9mAb6rYS8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn9mAb6rYS8&feature=share[/video]
Excellent video, I have never heard of some of the statistics but as far as historical facts he was right on with what actually happened all over the world.... Rep points for that!
 

Utah

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I don't think there is any way to respectfully call a post dumb. But I would like to see where the Bible says that those who are not Christians are not worthy of our respect. For every verse you can find (no doubt out of context), I could give you several that talk about loving others and that give a theological framework for why we are instructed to do so.
Re-read my post. I said islam earns no respect from me, not muslims. Astronomical difference.
 

Utah

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You can respect the person but not the belief system....case in point...you can respect an athiest but not atheism to respect athiesm is a way of condoning it which is completely contrary to Christianity.....
That's exactly my point. Well said, Brother.
 

ChandlerFan

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Re-read my post. I said islam earns no respect from me, not muslims. Astronomical difference.
It's true, the difference is huge. I think the problem is that the person is not always so neatly separated from their worldview, and if you aren't willing to listen to the person in regards to their worldview, you can never rightly expect them to listen to you in regards to yours.
 
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Ultimatum77

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Thank you for a thoughtful response. I am not saying in any way that we should be a doormat, though you have to weigh those words with what Jesus says when he commands us to turn the other cheek when stricken on the first. By all means, Islam is a false religion that promotes lies about God, Jesus Christ, salvation, etc. I am in no way saying that we should accept it as valid. I do believe, however, that biblically we must keep in mind that Muslims are simply lost and are seeking the same thing that we are all seeking. They are aware of their own sinfulness and are seeking for salvation from it. The problem is that they are looking in the wrong place. By shouting them down, using language and rhetoric that alienates them, or by refusing to have a two-way conversation with them, we are throwing away our opportunity to share the Gospel with them and give them an opportunity to find true healing and forgiveness of sins.

Respect the person, discard the worldview absolutely. Just keep in mind that when a person so closely attaches their identity with their worldview, you have to address the person and the worldview both in such a way that you don't alienate the person even as you argue against their worldview. Speaking the truth in love is what it is all about.
True, I agree, we should not bash them with the Bible so to speak, but we should research their religion so that we know what they believe and can speak the right words to lead them in the right direction...

That being said, I don't know about turning the other cheek to islam b/c if you give it an inch it will take 10 miles....just look at detroit where there is now shariah law above the local law....this is outrageous and you could say the detroit people turned the other cheek (the face and their behinds lol ;P) and got trampled and overtaken....

Before talking to muslims one should be stone solid about their own salvation/Christianity b/c muslims may try to manipulate you saying "oh our books both say similar things so we worship the same god excuse" This is a complete lie and not true at all....I've shared in other threads about that so in order to keep on topic I will skip this for now.... but a lot of them will use that excuse to get you to "accept" islam and have that as an excuse not to accept Christ b/c "we worship same god" ...some believers here have even fallen for this deception and even when presented with the truth about it are brainwashed into thinking Allah = YHWH which is not true at all...anyway be sure about your salvation what you believe and don't ever compromise it for any religion always stand firm!
 

Utah

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It's true, the difference is huge. I think the problem is that the person is not always so neatly separated from their worldview, and if you aren't willing to listen to the person in regards to their worldview, you can never rightly expect them to listen to you in regards to yours.
I'm not going to listen to their theological views because they're literally dead wrong regarding Jesus. Now if they want to talk about America being an imperial nation imposing its will on others, yes, I'll listen to them because I understand there is some truth in that. However, America is still great, and its greatness can be embraced for others to enjoy.
 

ChandlerFan

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True, I agree, we should not bash them with the Bible so to speak, but we should research their religion so that we know what they believe and can speak the right words to lead them in the right direction...

That being said, I don't know about turning the other cheek to islam b/c if you give it an inch it will take 10 miles....just look at detroit where there is now shariah law above the local law....this is outrageous and you could say the detroit people turned the other cheek (the face and their behinds lol ;P) and got trampled and overtaken....

Before talking to muslims one should be stone solid about their own salvation/Christianity b/c muslims may try to manipulate you saying "oh our books both say similar things so we worship the same god excuse" This is a complete lie and not true at all....I've shared in other threads about that so in order to keep on topic I will skip this for now.... but a lot of them will use that excuse to get you to "accept" islam and have that as an excuse not to accept Christ b/c "we worship same god" ...some believers here have even fallen for this deception and even when presented with the truth about it are brainwashed into thinking Allah = YHWH which is not true at all...anyway be sure about your salvation what you believe and don't ever compromise it for any religion always stand firm!
I would be careful about where you get your information. I have personally walked the streets of Detroit rather recently and have not seen any evidence of Islam even externally existent in the city. If Sharia law were held above local law, things would be significantly different than they are.

Props to you for wanting to know other viewpoints and have conversations. That's the way to be! And yes, we must be careful to avoid but also have an answer to the pluralistic assertions (like that the Muslim and Christian God are the same) that we see being made more and more nowadays.