Loneliness as a Single Vs. Loneliness in Marriage?

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seoulsearch

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Hey Everyone,

Many singles here talk about their loneliness and/or sexual temptations, and we often believe that marrying as soon as possible will clear up both of these issues.

Could it be though, that in order for God to truly prepare some of us for our marriages, He has to take us to even deeper levels of loneliness, instead of lightening the load?

Something I've thought about a lot over the years is, how much time do we all expect to spend with our future spouse? Do you expect that you will be together every evening? I think most people would expect that. But how well would you cope if you and your spouse had to spend extended amounts of time apart?

For example, what happens when:

* A spouse feels a calling to go into the military. How well would you cope with having your spouse on tour for 6 months or a year at a time?

* What if one spouse (or both) has to travel for work, meaning that they will apart several for several weeks, or even months, out of the year? I've known some couples in which the wife feels like a single parent because she has just about raised their children alone. Ladies, do you want a man with a "good" job? What if that means you will hardly ever see him? I don't know many people with "good" careers who haven't sacrificed a good portion of their home lives in the process.

* What if one spouse (or both) feels a strong calling into a certain area of ministry, and this winds up devouring most of his/her time? We all say we want a "strong man/woman of God." What if that's person's calling is going to cut into the time he or she can dedicate to you, and your time together will seem more like an afterthought?

* What if a couple has opposite working hours? I know many couples who are like this: Spouse 1 works 7AM to 3AM, and Spouse 2 works 4PM to midnight--they barely see each other in passing, and usually never have the same days off. Even if they do have a day off, it has to be spent on grocery shopping, errands, cleaning, and the kids' activities. Many couples who have children have to arrange schedules like this on purpose in order to make sure someone is always there with the kids.

Many times, these situations are uncontrollable and not something that can easily be changed. The couples I know who rarely see each other did not start out that way, but if they want to pay the bills, save on childcare costs, and keep getting promoted at work, their time together is the first thing that has to be sacrificed.

What if God knows that you will someday be in a marital situation in which you might go through times of hardly ever getting any alone time with your spouse?

- How would this affect your willpower to stay faithful?
- What impact would it have on the strength of your marriage?
- Would you tough it out, or would you decide this couldn't possibly be God's best for you... and you needed to go looking for another situation that is?

Over the years, these are the questions I've come to ask myself about my own singleness. What if the best way for God to prepare us for marriage... is to first take us through even more intense levels of loneliness and temptation, not less, because He knows that we are going to need to learn how to cope with this (and defeat it) before we get married?

Please DO NOT feel as if you have to answer all the questions in this thread--I simply used them as examples of very real situations we may all find ourselves in someday.

So many of us struggle with loneliness right now as singles...

Have you ever considered that God may using this to cope with the times we may feel alone in a marriage as well?
 

Dino246

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Seoul, I like the way you think. :)

I'm looking forward to the responses on this one. As I mentioned in the other Loneliness thread, I've experienced my share. Oddly though, I think the loneliness I felt when I was married did a lot to prepare me for being single again. For several reasons, my ex was away a lot when we were married. I got used to her absence, so when we separated and subsequently divorced, the sting of loneliness (in and of itself) was minor compared to what I had already experienced.
 

CatHerder

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I think that how the stress of extended time apart or different work schedules will vary from couple to couple. Some will find creative ways to make time for each other. Some will arrange for lunch dates or creative little surprises for their traveling partner. And some may not, but also not have as much need for that sort of thing as other couples.

However, knowing who you are in Christ is really the important thing. Your spouse will not complete you. Time apart in a marriage for the reasons you described eventually happens and can even be healthy. We must understand that with Christ, we are never truly alone.

I would urge singles to cultivate their relationship with Christ first, and don't settle on any mate based on:
no one better is coming along
your biological clock
desire for guilt-free sex
all your peers are already married
family/societal expectations

also don't expect perfection and throw away a great, godly catch because he/she only satisfies 17 out of 20 things on your list of things you desire in a mate.

Having said all that, do not ignore red flags. There is nothing more lonely than to be married to someone who is in any way abusive. It's far better to be married to someone who you wish you could see more often than to be the only one trying in a horrible marriage.

Missing your spouse and being lonely for him/her is a gift.
 

Tinkerbell725

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The husband and wife should be together and raise a family together. That is the ideal but the world has deceived us into thinking that career and comfortable living is more important than the family being together. Many marriages have failed because of the pursue of bigger incomes, houses, fancier cars etc. Family should come first, money comes and goes but family once broken, it would be very hard to rebuild. Whether married or single, loneliness will be there for without it how can we appreciate joy?
 

tourist

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Seoul, I like the way you think. :)
I do too, she is one exceptional human being in her humble service to the Lord. She starts the best thought provoking threads too. Definitely a class act. Would make quite a catch for that special someone.
 

seoulsearch

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Missing your spouse and being lonely for him/her is a gift.
This is an AMAZING insight!!! :eek:

The husband and wife should be together and raise a family together. That is the ideal but the world has deceived us into thinking that career and comfortable living is more important than the family being together. Many marriages have failed because of the pursue of bigger incomes, houses, fancier cars etc. Family should come first, money comes and goes but family once broken, it would be very hard to rebuild. Whether married or single, loneliness will be there for without it how can we appreciate joy?
I understand what you're saying and I do agree that creature comforts certainly shouldn't be our main focus.

But for some people, having schedules in which you never see each other is a means of survival. In one of the situations I was thinking about when I wrote this thread (people I know personally), the husband works at a retails store (early morning), and gets home from his job with about 1-2 hours to spare before his wife goes to her job at a fast food restaurant. This couple has 3 young children, and cannot afford outside childcare.

They're not after "the latest or greatest"--they're trying to keep up with their rent and keeping their kids fed.

I do too, she is one exceptional human being in her humble service to the Lord. She starts the best thought provoking threads too. Definitely a class act. Would make quite a catch for that special someone.
Tourist, thank you so much for your kind words.

It kind of generates an "Aw, shucks," reaction (as I shyly kick the ground) because I greatly appreciate the encouragement.

I can assure you that in real life, however, I'm really just kind of ornery and stubborn and sarcastic... :) And my "deep thoughts" probably borderline on being more of a continuous mental tic! :D
 

seoulsearch

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Seoul, I like the way you think. :)

I'm looking forward to the responses on this one. As I mentioned in the other Loneliness thread, I've experienced my share. Oddly though, I think the loneliness I felt when I was married did a lot to prepare me for being single again. For several reasons, my ex was away a lot when we were married. I got used to her absence, so when we separated and subsequently divorced, the sting of loneliness (in and of itself) was minor compared to what I had already experienced.
Thank you for sharing this, Dino. I'm very sorry for the pain and loneliness you've experienced.

When I was younger, I was a man's worst nightmare--clingy, needy, and probably on the verge of being a stalker. Though my relationships fell apart drastically, I can take full responsibility for my own contributions to the mess.

As I've gotten older, God has changed me immensely. I often wonder now if maybe God has kept me single in preparation for a situation such as a spouse who is in the military (someone who goes through extreme situations and is gone for long periods of time), but I have to confess that I don't know if, at this point, I would willingly WANT to marry into such a situation.

I do believe God has given me the strength and tools to handle something like that (and I have a full resume of living as a single for many years as proof), but I can admit that my actual will to do so would probably need quite a bit more work.
 

Tinkerbell725

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I understand what you're saying and I do agree that creature comforts certainly shouldn't be our main focus.

But for some people, having schedules in which you never see each other is a means of survival. In one of the situations I was thinking about when I wrote this thread (people I know personally), the husband works at a retails store (early morning), and gets home from his job with about 1-2 hours to spare before his wife goes to her job at a fast food restaurant. This couple has 3 young children, and cannot afford outside childcare.

They're not after "the latest or greatest"--they're trying to keep up with their rent and keeping their kids fed.
Financial struggles are part of the challenges of being married. There are situations that leave us with few options. But no matter how hard the situation is, it will change because God always gives a way out even to the seemingly most hopeless situations. When God gives a way out we should grab it. It could be in the form of a new job that would let you have more time with your family. Anything that takes your time away from your family should only be temporary or else it will slowly deteriorate.
 
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I think being lonely in a marriage would be worse because then its like being in a prison. I'd rather be lonely because I have no one, than be lonely because another human being doesn't care about my needs or feelings..
 
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coby2

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With my first ex we were always together. He worked at home and in church. I only worked 4 days. Once a year I went out alone with a female friend a few hours. Never went alone to things, neither did he.
Second marriage was horribly lonely. He sat in one corner of the room playing WOW with head phones 'cause I couldn't stand the roaring monsters, I in the other with head phones listening to Hal Lindsey or gospel which he hated and reading rapture ready. Yes!! 2 weeks to go! Then Jesus comes rapture me out of this misery.
When he left I was sooooo happy.
Divorce was great. We were both happy we were delivered from it.
 

AsifinPassing

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Hey Everyone,

Many singles here talk about their loneliness and/or sexual temptations, and we often believe that marrying as soon as possible will clear up both of these issues.

Could it be though, that in order for God to truly prepare some of us for our marriages, He has to take us to even deeper levels of loneliness, instead of lightening the load?

Something I've thought about a lot over the years is, how much time do we all expect to spend with our future spouse? Do you expect that you will be together every evening? I think most people would expect that. But how well would you cope if you and your spouse had to spend extended amounts of time apart?

For example, what happens when:

* A spouse feels a calling to go into the military. How well would you cope with having your spouse on tour for 6 months or a year at a time?

* What if one spouse (or both) has to travel for work, meaning that they will apart several for several weeks, or even months, out of the year? I've known some couples in which the wife feels like a single parent because she has just about raised their children alone. Ladies, do you want a man with a "good" job? What if that means you will hardly ever see him? I don't know many people with "good" careers who haven't sacrificed a good portion of their home lives in the process.

* What if one spouse (or both) feels a strong calling into a certain area of ministry, and this winds up devouring most of his/her time? We all say we want a "strong man/woman of God." What if that's person's calling is going to cut into the time he or she can dedicate to you, and your time together will seem more like an afterthought?

* What if a couple has opposite working hours? I know many couples who are like this: Spouse 1 works 7AM to 3AM, and Spouse 2 works 4PM to midnight--they barely see each other in passing, and usually never have the same days off. Even if they do have a day off, it has to be spent on grocery shopping, errands, cleaning, and the kids' activities. Many couples who have children have to arrange schedules like this on purpose in order to make sure someone is always there with the kids.

Many times, these situations are uncontrollable and not something that can easily be changed. The couples I know who rarely see each other did not start out that way, but if they want to pay the bills, save on childcare costs, and keep getting promoted at work, their time together is the first thing that has to be sacrificed.

What if God knows that you will someday be in a marital situation in which you might go through times of hardly ever getting any alone time with your spouse?

- How would this affect your willpower to stay faithful?
- What impact would it have on the strength of your marriage?
- Would you tough it out, or would you decide this couldn't possibly be God's best for you... and you needed to go looking for another situation that is?

Over the years, these are the questions I've come to ask myself about my own singleness. What if the best way for God to prepare us for marriage... is to first take us through even more intense levels of loneliness and temptation, not less, because He knows that we are going to need to learn how to cope with this (and defeat it) before we get married?

Please DO NOT feel as if you have to answer all the questions in this thread--I simply used them as examples of very real situations we may all find ourselves in someday.

So many of us struggle with loneliness right now as singles...

Have you ever considered that God may using this to cope with the times we may feel alone in a marriage as well?
So many responses to this... so many... but which to actually type...serious or funny? Heartfelt or sarcastic... Analytical or more emotional...hmm...

To start with, *my gut response to solely THE TITLE of this thread*:

Hmm, checklist comparison?

Lonely & Single:

-go or don't go wherever I want (within legal ramifications)
-do or don't do whatever I want (within legal ramifications) which is including but not limited to cleaning, personal hygiene, food choices, recreational choices, pet choices, sleep patterns, good or bad habits, active and passive times of day or seasons, travel choices, financial decisions, noise/quiet levels, lifestyle choices, hobbies, and a long extended list of continuing variables
-am answerable to no one and responsible for no one except myself (and as a Christian, God)


Hmm...primary benefit of singleness despite being lonely and other drawbacks, selfishness/self-indulgence/perception of 'freedom' and 'autonomy'


Married & Lonely:

-Tax breaks
-potential second income
-potential meal assistance
-potential janitorial services

BRIEF MESSAGE FROM OUR SPONSORS(*bear in mind at this point, I'm not saying you're planning on treating your spouse as a servant... I'm taking it from the standpoint of having to do everything by/rely only on yourself vs having a two-person team...potentially)

-potential conversational partner
-potential sexual benefits
-potential physical touch (not necessarily sexual, but barred in from others... F.E. Back rub, holding hands, cuddling, etc)
-potential continuation of family line (for those into bloodlines)
-potential video game, dance, travel, etc partner



Hmm... so the primary benefit, potentially, of married and lonely is the potential addition or fulfillment of things otherwise not available when single...


Hmm...potentially, I'd rather be married and lonely than single and lonely...but back to the reason of thread now, not just the title...



Aww...Kim...you just HAD to bring reality into the conversation... ^_~ People always accuse me of being a 'doom-sayer' when I do that. =p Maybe we should start a club.. 'Keepin' it Real' lol


So...*Many singles here talk about their loneliness and/or sexual temptations, and we often believe that marrying as soon as possible will clear up both of these issues. *

Well, I mean...unless both you and your spouse are highly (and continuously so) interested in/gratified by sex, then that's probably not a realistic expectation. (Usually men are more interested than women...not always, but we're comparing oceans to ponds...so, we each have to square with that someday depending on our situation (or not even despite our situation).

So, it stands to reason that loneliness is the same. Disheartening as it may be, perhaps in the same way so many people thought getting married would mean having sex all the time (and thus, in that thinking, not having it be an issue anymore), but were sorely mistaken when faced with the reality... perhaps in the same way, a friend, dating partner, or spouse will not be the answer to our desire for deeper, more constant connection, affection, fulfillment of loneliness, etc...

Tough pill to swallow, Kim, but a good point to bring up nonetheless.

Could it be though, that in order for God to truly prepare some of us for our marriages, He has to take us to even deeper levels of loneliness, instead of lightening the load?

Yes, it could, as all things are possible, but if that possibility is more of a probability...then I wonder just how deep the rabbit hole goes, Kim. =/ ._. I know God graciously took my loneliness from me (which I've shared a few times), because at whatever depth of it I had reached (whether shallow or deep)... I didn't want to live anymore. So, what does that mean for those sinking deeper? How deep can we each really go before either drowning or being crushed by the pressure? (Sea analogy, for those of you who may not have gotten it...)


Something I've thought about a lot over the years is, how much time do we all expect to spend with our future spouse? Do you expect that you will be together every evening? I think most people would expect that. But how well would you cope if you and your spouse had to spend extended amounts of time apart?

I think it depends on the person/couple in question. There are some song lyrics that I always liked in that regard:

"Now that I'm far away it doesn't seem to me to be such a pain.
To have you hanging off my ankle like some kind of ball and chain."

"You can be my Yoko Ono. You can follow me wherever I go."

Now, again, this is an issue of expectation vs reality or desires and compromises. To some, perhaps that would seem 'clingy' and be a turn off, and to others...they'd eat it up like a dog with some good food.

I actually had a friend that would feel lonely and strained in our relationship if she didn't see me every day or hours, and yet from my perspective, seeing her a few times a day with 5-30min interactions was enough.

There are some people who would say 6 texts or messages of some kind is nothing, and others who might be creeped out by it thinking, "Slow down! Leave me alone. You're flooding me."

So, there's those different desires/perceived needs to deal with... then you hit your questions about work and military and ministry, etc...

Well, as for me, if I loved her (and God approved *see another frequently told story*), then I'd tough it out no matter what that took or how long or painful it was... I'm a sacrificial type in that sense...

...and others may opt out because they are tired, unhappy, unfulfilled (etc) and don't want to be that way any longer...

My thing is... I'm not looking for fulfillment, completion, etc...from anyone but God. I just want someone I can love in multiple ways who will love me in multiple ways, and our relationship be one that God approves of.

(This is different than the soul mates idea. I found a girl I wanted to marry, but was convicted by God about our relationship. So, I want a relationship sort of like what I had in sense, but that's in God's plan.)

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Now, believe me, I understand work, studying, ministry, and many other things... I live it. I was born into that life, so... let me say, a lot of THAT is priorities and conviction.

I've seen ministers/workers who sacrifice everything (like their family) to achieve whatever work/ministry they have to do. Then, I've also seen ministers/workers who sacrifice their job or their ministry for their spouse.

When you really sit down and look at it...feel it...experience it... neither one of those options seems like the right choice.

There's scripture to back up either argument, but it's not about arguments. Among all the things that have been said in scripture, even by Jesus, isn't the recurring theme love?

Did Jesus Himself not say the greatest commandments...the thing the entire old testament is hanging off of... Love God with everything, and love your neighbor & yourself the same way?

So, then we get to these sorts of issues...and what is the REAL issue? Jesus said where your treasure is, there you heart will be also. So, what do we spend our time, effort, energy, resources, etc on? We each decide what our treasure is.


I'm not faulting 'you' (as in the general 'you', not a specific person) for making a choice. We all have our choices to make, but am I a priority? In a relationship, I think I need to say/decide/believe & act on, "She is one of my top priorities." ...and I need her to say/decide/believe & act on, "He is one of my top priorities."

I can't tell you how many people I've seen over the course of my life ( and me no even ordained or anything yet...) that have happy or broken marriages. I've seen some of the most miserable marriages in 'devout' Christian homes, and I've also seen some very wonderful marriages in pagan homes. So that brings me to this:

- How would this affect your willpower to stay faithful?
- What impact would it have on the strength of your marriage?
- Would you tough it out, or would you decide this couldn't possibly be God's best for you... and you needed to go looking for another situation that is?


I think the answer to those questions depend solely on what you choose. Will you choose to be faithful? Will you pray and fight to have a strong marriage? Will you tough it out *in sickness and health, good times and bad* if it's not what you had in mind or thought you wanted?

Everything we do and everything in existence is the result of a choice.

Have you ever considered that God may using this to cope with the times we may feel alone in a marriage as well?

Yes. I'd also like to ask, though... Has anyone considered things like our loneliness, happiness, sexual drive, etc... not having anything at all to do with whether or not we marry?

I had an old friend put it like this to a group in his office at the college once (I was among them, obviously...):

"We are not animals. Animals eat because of hunger. They sleep because of fatigue. They have sex with whatever mate comes around because of the impulse to. We, as human beings, however, created in the image of God, have choice. We don't have to act on our impulses, no matter their strength. We can choose to live or die. We can choose to feast or starve. We can restrain ourselves. We can reason. We can be or do or desire anything we so want.

...so then, why act like an animal...when you're not one. Think. Live thoughtful lives. God is the source of all Knowledge and Wisdom, so seek Him out to live Knowledgeably and Wisely. You were created to do so."
 
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coby2

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I think being lonely in a marriage would be worse because then its like being in a prison. I'd rather be lonely because I have no one, than be lonely because another human being doesn't care about my needs or feelings..
Yes when I was really single I did feel a bit lonely sometimes but I had all these friends. After my second divorce I was jealous of my brother who stayed single all his life. But the good thing is: you get kids, so now I'm not lonely.
 

Tinkerbell725

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[video=youtube_share;irfd74z52Cw]http://youtu.be/irfd74z52Cw[/video]

Marriage market? What is this? I don't even...
 

AsifinPassing

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[video=youtube_share;irfd74z52Cw]http://youtu.be/irfd74z52Cw[/video]

Marriage market? What is this? I don't even...
Ouch. Thanks for the kind words Mom...Dad...and Society...



Hm...I thought about many other comments...but maybe I'll go with,

"Hm...maybe I should just go back to accepting arranged marriages..."

Why? Well, if lots of us decide to be happy being single...and then we all die... what does that mean for the future generations? ._.

Hmm...perhaps I need to have lots of children and train them all to be superheros...
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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I think being lonely in a marriage would be worse because then its like being in a prison. I'd rather be lonely because I have no one, than be lonely because another human being doesn't care about my needs or feelings..
This is so true, Zero.

There were many times when I was married that I felt as if I were serving a Life Without Parole Sentence... and the only way out was to die.

At least in my current single life, I can hold on to a glimmer of hope that someday something might change.
 

Lynx

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Hmm... All I can contribute to this thread is that I remember a couple that stayed together for more than 30 years... then the husband retired and they divorced because they discovered they couldn't stand each other. Sometimes marriages only survive because they aren't together a lot. :p
 

seoulsearch

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Hmm... All I can contribute to this thread is that I remember a couple that stayed together for more than 30 years... then the husband retired and they divorced because they discovered they couldn't stand each other. Sometimes marriages only survive because they aren't together a lot. :p
There's a lot of truth to this.

I used to work with a woman whose husband was retiring--she was used to having her kids as a buffer, but they were now grown and had left the nest--and she said she was absolutely terrified of having to be at home with her husband all the time, because it's something they'd never done.

I worked with another woman whose husband had made the military his career and had been absent their entire marriage, but she said she knew when she married him, even at a young age, that this was how it was going to be. She pretty much raised their kids alone.

But now he was retiring and would be home all the time, and they were already going to counseling in order to learn how to live together as a couple, because it was something they'd never done.
 
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GraceRevelation

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Being married to the wrong person...no thank you. I'd much rather be single in desire for a great relationship. I've been in a unsatisfying marriage before I was so happy when I got out.