Gossip and helping a friend

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BurlyCarl

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I recently made new friends with a new employee. He is a younger guy. He was attending a local church. He has been struggling with dating. I have been coaching him on where he is messing up and doing what I can. After months of giving him advice. I asked what was he doin? He mentioned that the girls he was trying to date. Were telling each other rumors about him that were not true. Flocking together and throwing dirt on his reputation. I have asked him is he being rude or stalkerish. He said no. Which he is because he is buying complete strangers flowers. Its a nice gesture but its creepy at the same time. I told him to knock it off.

He explained that just because he asked a couple of people out at church. They are spreading rumors about him. Sayin "I love how church girls claim they are all holy holy holy. Then talk about me. Tell me straight at church that I am a fake and flirt". I asked him are you flirting or actually taking action? Are you thinking about it or are you actually doing something?

So here it is months down the road. With two more failed attempts and me telling him that he needs to work on presenting himself as more of a catch. Getting career in line, working out, stop worrying about locking someone down immediately. Love in such a way that the other person feels free. Love should flow and not be forced or restricting. Which he is doing all of this. I believe he is not even getting to know them. He is only thinking about it and not taking actions.

I asked him the other day. Do you love yourself? Uhhh No. I said well you need to do that first. How can you expect to love someone else or expect them to take the reigns. Its not on them to do it! Its on you to love you first. When a man is in his natural masculine state, successful, happy with a smile on his face. You present yourself more attractive to someone. I even criticized him on he never smiles and hangs his head. A good friend will be honest. I told him his presentation, goals as a man is completely a turn off and looking mad and sad is not gonna attract anyone.

So yesterday... He comes in. He said he had, had enough. He quit his church because of his failed attempts with and the gossip at his church. The girls calling him out. So I said look, you can come to my church. I gave him an invitation card for my church. I told him that if he comes its not for girls its for God. So I handed it over.

Out of all of this and actually praying for the poor guy. He is nice but needs a lot of work. Needs more exposure. Rookie.

I was thinking after reading bible study.

When is it OK for women to spread rumors about a guy that are not true within the Church? I understand that you can not make someone like you. But when is it ok in a manner of Christian stance to throw stones in a glass house? Push someone down? When he said this I got the thought of people who do this are hypocrites. And now the guy has left his church and they are chasing him on Facebook now. Come back and we love you.... After busting up a glass house.

Im sorry I would leave too.

When did this become ok to treat people like this? Its bullying and not every Christian like.
 

cinder

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When is it OK for women to spread rumors about a guy that are not true within the Church? I understand that you can not make someone like you. But when is it ok in a manner of Christian stance to throw stones in a glass house? Push someone down? When he said this I got the thought of people who do this are hypocrites. And now the guy has left his church and they are chasing him on Facebook now. Come back and we love you.... After busting up a glass house.

Im sorry I would leave too.

When did this become ok to treat people like this? Its bullying and not every Christian like.
Never. I believe there is a commandment against bearing false witness which I would say certainly covers untrue rumors. Has he been honest with people there about why he left his church? Might be the best thing for him to do but sometimes it's also right to make some waves and let people know exactly what they are doing wrong. From a girl perspective though, especially if we're approached by a guy we don't know well, we're going to want to check him out with other people and see if they know more about him. And if he was coming across as desperate (which if the girls start talking and realize that you've asked several of them out in the same couple of weeks, that starts to look either desperate or extremely impersonal), well that impression probably did spread. Did someone tell him what people were saying about him, or is this all conjecture on his part?
 
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BurlyCarl

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Never. I believe there is a commandment against bearing false witness which I would say certainly covers untrue rumors. Has he been honest with people there about why he left his church? Might be the best thing for him to do but sometimes it's also right to make some waves and let people know exactly what they are doing wrong. From a girl perspective though, especially if we're approached by a guy we don't know well, we're going to want to check him out with other people and see if they know more about him. And if he was coming across as desperate (which if the girls start talking and realize that you've asked several of them out in the same couple of weeks, that starts to look either desperate or extremely impersonal), well that impression probably did spread. Did someone tell him what people were saying about him, or is this all conjecture on his part?
Has he been honest with people there about why he left his church?

From his own words. He explained to the Leaders why he is leaving. The gossip and the spreading rumors. That his words.

I have also explained what you have
mentioned. He needs more exposure as I mentioned. Yes I completely agree "desperate". I told him that he can not come off like that. Which when he does talk about those he is interested in. He shows a desperate display, clingy and unattractive. Advice of It goes in one ear and out the other when I told him he needs to come off as he values his time and his value is scarcity. Which that follows your comment of being desperate and impersonal. Believe me I have told him that many times! He also does not understand "be himself" Which in turn means he may not love himself. Which he mentioned he does not. So he needs to work on that.

Did someone tell him what people were saying about him, or is this all conjecture on his part?

Apparently from what he has said. They are straight forward about it. He has mentioned he is tired of being friend zoned.

I explained to him that not every single lady he encounters is going to like him. Fall desperately over him. It has never happen like that for me lol. He needs to get used to the word no. Stop placing so much feeling behind it. Its not like being lead on for years of being used. He is getting worked up over a simple "NO". Rookie
 

Pipp

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Sometimes the harder you chase the harder they run... maybe he ought to stop chasing for a while...and be the kind of person a lady would want to date. I'm not trying to attack his personality cause I dont know him at all. I'm just saying maybe if he does spend more time learning to love himself and respecting himself others will love and respect him more too.

It's never right to treat people like those girls have.... gossip can be very hurtful and is often not even true. They'll have to give account of those actions before God one day.
 
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BurlyCarl

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Sometimes the harder you chase the harder they run... maybe he ought to stop chasing for a while...and be the kind of person a lady would want to date. I'm not trying to attack his personality cause I dont know him at all. I'm just saying maybe if he does spend more time learning to love himself and respecting himself others will love and respect him more too.

It's never right to treat people like those girls have.... gossip can be very hurtful and is often not even true. They'll have to give account of those actions before God one day.
People will only do to you. What you allow them to.

I agree. He needs some self esteem work. I have invited him to the gym so we can get swollen like boulders. Just to get his mind off of it. He will feel better too getting the stress off.

I know if it were me. I would not associate. Which I do understand about people spreading rumors. Which I have had that happen in my own life. I don't make room for these kind of people. It makes no sense to me or him to continue to go to these types. When you are met with negativity.
 

JonahLynx

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The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.
 
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Ultimatum77

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I've had crap like that happen to me. So called Christians are the worst when it comes to this....as they find ways to legalize it as not gossiping when it is (i.e. spreading prayer requests you want kept on the low, talking about others failures/mistakes.) It's a form of gloating that sick people use to feel better about themselves at the expense of others. I consider people who do gossiping as a hobby vile! I try my level best to never do it b/c how would I feel if I'm on the receiving end of the barbs people throw out? (and believe me I've heard a lot of junk from people about me that wasn't even the slightest true).

I think your guy needs to get his life straight as you said before pursuing anyone. A guy that looks and acts a mess is a mess...No sane woman would ever go near him. It takes God to rebuild a person from scratch to make them another's true catch! Ha that rhymes lol....
A guy's self-image is very important....it dictates his emotions and interactions with others....Also buying flowers for strangers comes across as seriously clingy/desperate. It says "hey I'm emotionally unstable" will you be my significant other? No girl would do that (at least ones I know). Right now he needs to get by himself and seek for emotional healing/rebuild image of self by praying and keeping a positive attitude.

I would know b/c I used to have a very poor self-image b/c a lot of people said a lot of stuff and tore me down. But God helped me heal, become more confident, and a lot more mentally/emotionally tougher b/c of the hardships....Now I don't give a rat's butt cheek who says what about me....I know who I am inside! Best feeling ever! Hope this helps brother BurlyCarl. you gave him sound advice he should stick to it....with the addition of backing off relationships till he fixes himself.
 
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renewed_hope

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Sometimes the harder you chase the harder they run... maybe he ought to stop chasing for a while...and be the kind of person a lady would want to date. I'm not trying to attack his personality cause I dont know him at all. I'm just saying maybe if he does spend more time learning to love himself and respecting himself others will love and respect him more too.

It's never right to treat people like those girls have.... gossip can be very hurtful and is often not even true. They'll have to give account of those actions before God one day.
Amen sista.....;)
 
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BurlyCarl

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I've had crap like that happen to me. So called Christians are the worst when it comes to this....as they find ways to legalize it as not gossiping when it is (i.e. spreading prayer requests you want kept on the low, talking about others failures/mistakes.) It's a form of gloating that sick people use to feel better about themselves at the expense of others. I consider people who do gossiping as a hobby vile! I try my level best to never do it b/c how would I feel if I'm on the receiving end of the barbs people throw out? (and believe me I've heard a lot of junk from people about me that wasn't even the slightest true).

I think your guy needs to get his life straight as you said before pursuing anyone. A guy that looks and acts a mess is a mess...No sane woman would ever go near him. It takes God to rebuild a person from scratch to make them another's true catch! Ha that rhymes lol....
A guy's self-image is very important....it dictates his emotions and interactions with others....Also buying flowers for strangers comes across as seriously clingy/desperate. It says "hey I'm emotionally unstable" will you be my significant other? No girl would do that (at least ones I know). Right now he needs to get by himself and seek for emotional healing/rebuild image of self by praying and keeping a positive attitude.

I would know b/c I used to have a very poor self-image b/c a lot of people said a lot of stuff and tore me down. But God helped me heal, become more confident, and a lot more mentally/emotionally tougher b/c of the hardships....Now I don't give a rat's butt cheek who says what about me....I know who I am inside! Best feeling ever! Hope this helps brother BurlyCarl. you gave him sound advice he should stick to it....with the addition of backing off relationships till he fixes himself.

Agrees! :D
 
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BurlyCarl

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2nd that. I think the self esteem and how he is feeling in loving himself is the stumbling block. His answer is no. And his Physcial and some other actions I will speak to him on our next conversation here at work.
 

Fenner

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That's really sad Carl. I hope things turn around for him.
 
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BurlyCarl

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That's really sad Carl. I hope things turn around for him.
I wont see him until tomarrow. Talked him off his high horse. He had agreed to come and give my attending church a try. Have not had an opportunity to talk to him about this discussion. Stand by.
 

Fenner

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Hope he gives it a chance. He should come to my church the only single woman I'm aware of there is close to being 90. She's hysterical though, and she still drives, I'm not sure if that's a good thing but she does.