Women God chooses

[Blueberry]

I am starting this thread to highlight a couple of things that have disturbed me looking over some of the posts and attitudes on this forum.

It appears there are some men who have this preconceived idea of what sort of woman they will only date or marry. Apparently single parents, divorced women and sometimes even foreigners are not welcome on that list.

Well here is a little surprise and insight for you all. I gain great strength and dignity when I read this passage in the Bible. I am honored that there are things in this passage that are pointed out just especially for the reader. This is a list of the genealogy of Jesus, remember Gods son. Now you would think God would want His only Son to come from a dignified blood line? Well apparently this is not the case.

You will see in the genealogy where it is pointed out qute frequently whose mother bore the child and if we look back in the Bible, these mothers were not your typical beautifully presented allround vessels of purity.

One example.

Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab...hello? whats that a prostitute was in the blood line? wow. Now remember whose child Boaz spawned? Obed. Guess who his mother is? Ruth. Whats that?? a foreigner? Now Obeds line went down to David!! and there the list follows with more verses of whose mother was whom.

Well it appears to me God has no problem using broken unpure vessels in his bloodline to get Jesus.

My question is to all you men. Who are you to say and demand to God who did all this what sort of so called pure woman you will only touch? Personally I feel you are living in a box, and missing out on something that God just might trying to be telling you.

Here is the genealogy.
1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2Abraham was the father of Isaac,
Isaac the father of Jacob,
Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar,
Perez the father of Hezron,
Hezron the father of Ram,
4Ram the father of Amminadab,
Amminadab the father of Nahshon,
Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab,
Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth,
Obed the father of Jesse,
6and Jesse the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,
7Solomon the father of Rehoboam,
Rehoboam the father of Abijah,
Abijah the father of Asa,
8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram,
Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9Uzziah the father of Jotham,
Jotham the father of Ahaz,
Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh,
Manasseh the father of Amon,
Amon the father of Josiah,
11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12After the exile to Babylon:
Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud,
Abiud the father of Eliakim,
Eliakim the father of Azor,
14Azor the father of Zadok,
Zadok the father of Akim,
Akim the father of Eliud,
15Eliud the father of Eleazar,
Eleazar the father of Matthan,
Matthan the father of Jacob,
16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

 

[loveschild]

I've noticed the I only want the pure ones also. I also thought of the unpure ladies who were in the blood line. God is no respector of persons.
I'm glad you said something!

 

[Sharp]

Its a matter of personal choice. No-one is forced to marry anyone.

 

[seoulsearch]

Its a matter of personal choice. No-one is forced to marry anyone.

Blueberry--I can completely understand your point of view and I also agree 100% about God using anyone, even people with the most troubled pasts. My best friend is a man in prison who is serving a sentence for murder.

But I do have to agree with Sharp as well about some leeway in personal choices... For example, I've never touched illegal drugs (actually, I've never even taken a drag off a cigarette) and would prefer to marry someone who's made the same choice (it's ok if he's tried a cigarette once but definitely not ok if he smokes... already tried dating a smoker... trying to be "open-minded"... and it was horrible.)

I have also told God I don't want to marry someone who has had more sexual partners than I've had--not because I somehow think I'm better or perfect, but because I would otherwise personally feel like a number in a lineup. ("Do you love me as much as number 5? Do I rate better or worse than number 16? Are you SURE number 27 was just a fling and didn't mean anything to you???")

I dated a "good Christian guy" (everyone can see my experiences with dating good Christian guys on this forum) a few years ago and he couldn't even remember how many partners he'd had... he said, "It's somewhere around 23..." and he was only about 27 years old at the time (I was younger then, too.)

I may be overly stuffy for thinking this... but sorry... no thanks. And if that means staying single... well... I've been that way for seven years and it hasn't killed me yet (though I admit, there are times...)

I also get a lot of flack for stating I have a preference to marry someone without children, seeing as I don't have any children (men tell me God is going to judge me, etc.) but the reason I say that is because I've already been in a long-term relationship involving a ready-made family (gain, trying to be open-minded) and because of that, know that I personally do not mold well to that particular situation.

I know it hurts a lot sometimes to see guys saying, "I don't want this, I don't want that..." and the reason our feelings are so hurt, of course, is because, ultimately, we know that we "don't make the cut" and "don't fit their standards"... (Many men will not be interested in me because I was married and divorced) but the real truth is... we all have our preferences to some level... (If we didn't... we'd all be saying things like, "Sure, I'll marry that coke addict!! No problem!!")

I understand what Grace was saying in another thread about getting to heaven and asking God why we stayed single... and what if God tells us... I sent you someone but you rejected that person...

I've told God... if you have someone for me who is outside my personal requests, please change my heart in order to allow him in... and vice versa... because I do realize that it's possible God might have chosen someone for me who would be absolutely horrified at the thought of marrying a divorced woman.

So... if that's the case... I'll just try to go with whatever God has for me...

After all, He's been known to have a few backup plans in His day.

 

[Pheonix]

How about the broken and impure men in that line?

David was a murderer and horribly blood soaked. Thus the reason he wasn't allowed to build the temple. He did however get everything ready for building it.

Solomon strayed later in life as a result of his foriegn wives.

Solomons son Worshipped idiols.

As did most of his childrens children until Josiah who restored the temple and the law.

Then entire line after david until the captivity was broken and impure.

 

[Pheonix]

After all, He's been known to have a few backup plans in His day.

Gotta love plan F

 

[seoulsearch]

Gotta love plan F

These days, it feels like Plan Z!!

 

[Blueberry]

How about the broken and impure men in that line?

David was a murderer and horribly blood soaked. Thus the reason he wasn't allowed to build the temple. He did however get everything ready for building it.

Solomon strayed later in life as a result of his foriegn wives.

Solomons son Worshipped idiols.

As did most of his childrens children until Josiah who restored the temple and the law.

Then entire line after david until the captivity was broken and impure.

Thanks for pointing that out Pheonix. Very good! It shows you that God uses anyone who is broken but has a heart after Him. I know that David and Bathsheba's first baby died, but they had another one and God loved him (solomon). I love seeing the mercy and grace of God in there. God can take anyone and use them if their heart is after Him.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I am starting this thread to highlight a couple of things that have disturbed me looking over some of the posts and attitudes on this forum.

It appears there are some men who have this preconceived idea of what sort of woman they will only date or marry. Apparently single parents, divorced women and sometimes even foreigners are not welcome on that list.

It appears there are some men who have this preconceived idea of what sort of woman they will only date or marry.

Some women don't like guys with muscles, don't like fat guys, like fat guys, like big guys, guys with long hair, guys with short hair. What you are really saying in this post, is that you don't believe guys like me should have a choice of what they want and don't want.

Why can't a person choose what type of person they want to marry?

If they are caucasian, they might not want to marry an asian or an african if they don't want to. Maybe they want to keep their children white.

What is wrong with that view? Anyway I know for a fact if you as a white man try to marry an asian daughter, her asian family probably will have a problem accepting you into their family as well.

 

[Jennifleur]

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought the purpose of this thread was edification and encouragement? Then again, I'm often wrong. Maybe I just need sleep.

 

[Blueberry]

It appears there are some men who have this preconceived idea of what sort of woman they will only date or marry.

Some women don't like guys with muscles, don't like fat guys, like fat guys, like big guys, guys with long hair, guys with short hair. What you are really saying in this post, is that you don't believe guys like me should have a choice of what they want and don't want.

Why can't a person choose what type of person they want to marry?

If they are caucasian, they might not want to marry an asian or an african if they don't want to. Maybe they want to keep their children white.

What is wrong with that view? Anyway I know for a fact if you as a white man try to marry an asian daughter, her asian family probably will have a problem accepting you into their family as well.

Mahogany, my only point in this thread was to point out that God chose the broken and impure to use for the blood line for Jesus. He did not automatically use the most perfect of human beings to accomplish this. I felt like men were doing the same thing by saying there would only be certain women they would go near. To be honest after reading some of the replies in here I agree, people do have their own dislikes and likes in certain people.

I guess the point I wanted to make was that broken people are ok too. People outside your comfort zone can be the very ones God is speaking through to you, or by ignoring them you might be missing the greatest blessing in your life. I guess I felt hurt that in the christian world as a single parent I was being automatically thrown in the too hard basket.

Just think if Joseph went through his divorce with Mary. He would of missed out on the great blessing of being Jesus' step father and seeing the son of God grow up.

What if Boaz ignored Ruth and didn't redeem her? She was a foreigner. He could easily have said no way. He didn't and he became the great-grandfather of David.

I apologise if I have offended anyone in here. We are all free to choose whomever we are attracted to.

 

[zeroturbulence]

If someone wants to wait for that perfect, pure christian...so be it. More power to them! Just umm...don't hold yer breath waiting.

 

[MahogonySnail]

This topic raises all sorts of issues regarding attractiveness and God's will.

Some believe that God causes us to be attracted to those He has for us. That the desires and likes and dislikes you have are God-given.

Others believe God might want us to marry someone we aren't attracted to for "His will's sake". In this respect we must lay our desires aside and pray and seek His.

 

[grace]

I don't have a lot of time to fully put all my thoughts down about this....BUT...one thing that keeps coming to my mind is when people say; "God knows the desires of my heart, so of course He will give them to me...that is what scripture says."

Over time I have thought....as christians, the foundation of our faith is to fully trust and rely on God to know what is best for us and accept the things in our lives and fully submit them to Him so he can complete the good work He has begun in us.
BUT...it does appear that when people use the words 'never', 'always', 'not negotiable' etc....this creates a barrier that is man-made. YOU have decided these things. God may have a different plan.

What if in, God knowing the desires of our hearts......AS WELL AS, knowing what is best for us, is prepareing our hearts to accept the blessings He has for us in the future that we may not be ready to accept now?
But I guess if we have it decided already for our lives (personal preferance or not) that we will not date a certain person because of background, race, status etc.....that surely can limit God in changing our hearts and renewing and transforming our minds. (which is just as much a part of scripture as God knowing the desires of our hearts)
Also remember...we are to die to self.

I am not saying these things to any way say that a persons personal preferances are not legit or anything like that....I am just saying that with all decicions there are consequences. Sometimes good consequences, sometimes not so good. With having the mindset of 'never', 'always', and 'not-negotiable'....a person may find themselves single when they have truly desired their whole life to be married.

Anyway...just a few thoughts on the subject.
Be Blessed in Him today!

 

[ChristianGuru]

I am starting this thread to highlight a couple of things that have disturbed me looking over some of the posts and attitudes on this forum.

It appears there are some men who have this preconceived idea of what sort of woman they will only date or marry. Apparently single parents, divorced women and sometimes even foreigners are not welcome on that list.

I believe we should be more open minded. I don't welcome single parents. Divorced women would depend on who this particular woman was and foreigners as well.

If men don't want to welcome certain women. They completely have that right as an individual. If you don't like this fact. Then find a guy who doesn't feel this way. Again, I think it's important for everyone to remember, to date or marry one person, we don't need the whole gender under our submission.

I don't need to attract or get the approval of every woman on Earth before I can date or marry a woman. I'll just find a woman who I can gel together with. I'm not going to spend my time trying to convince every woman to change their views and preconceived ideas.

To each his own.