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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    He desires that all turn from their sin, repent, and believe That's pretty big, right there. Can you imagine a world free from sin? I dare say we would not recognize such a world.
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    People With Plans:

    1. If we took a few moments, we could think of many more people in scripture... for each of whom God said he had a plan, or purpose.

    2. So, if God had plans and purposes for all of those people... how is it he has no plan or purpose for you or me?



    Justness of Plans:

    1. If God DOES have plans for some people, then he considers it MORALLY JUST to direct people's lives according to his plans

    2. If it is MORALLY JUST for God to direct people's lives according to his plans... why is it somehow NOT morally just to direct YOUR life according to his plans?
    Every decision we make in life was known. Where the planets and stars would be in the sky today was known the day were set in motion. Life is a gift. What we do with that gift is up to us. I struggle with AT LEAST how the Bible we have today is interpreted and at most if it was corrupted by the designs of men. It fosters so much criminal thinking in the hearts of men. We Christians live under the same system of phony righteousness that the Pharisees did.... that Jesus came to upend. Don't you think? Church buildings and tithing and blah blah corporate this corporate that blah blah blah. Then you have church leaders giving people this false hope that if you just do the right thing and love God just so He will bring someone to you on a silver platter and all will be well.


    Like I said earlier. It's not what a man prays for that he receives, but that which he justly earns. And we attract to ourselves that which we are.

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    Instead Christians are like. Wow, the perfect blue sky is pretty and all but I want a rainbow or I won't be happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirk View Post
    I think he also knows it isn't realistic for everyone to turn from their wicked ways. It's one of the reasons I don't believe in an eternal hell. I knew a kid once whose mother drank like a fish while he was in the womb. He was a really jacked up kid and totally not his fault. And on top of that...he will likely never get anything right in his life...and again...totally not his fault.
    What has been forgiven? Everything but blasphemy of the Holy Spirit of God. I realize it is difficult to keep our eyes focused on the world to come when we are caught in the here and now, and yet the promise is that every tear shall be wiped away, and no more shall death or mourning or crying or pain be given any room, for every sorrow shall pass with the abolishment of sin, and the passing into the second death of those who clung unto their first death to their pride of life. Everything is to be made new. The world we will know then will not be anything like the world as it is now, where all is tainted and none are free from the ravages of sin. Even our own culpability shall be forgotten, for the old order of things shall pass away and be remembered no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephsDreams View Post
    I love the simplicity of the Word.
    Me too


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    Quote Originally Posted by Born_Again View Post
    James 1:17English Standard Version (ESV)

    17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.[a]


    Simply stated: Everything good in your life comes from God....


    Matthew 6:33English Standard Version (ESV)

    33 But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

    You have to read back about 6 verses for this to make sense. This is in regards to provision. No special favors. Simply stated "Dont worry, Gods got this."

    Neither of these verses say anything about getting specials just because you want them. This is completely out of context.

    Show me where it says favors....

    Even our salvation is God's big favor that we don't deserve. Nothing can beat that kind of favor. All other favors are just icing to the cake. But most people prefer the icing than the cake itself. Everytime God blesses your plans it's a special favor. When you make a choice that glorifies God, what kind of father will not be pleased? God was very pleased with David, although David always messes up but he repented and got it right with God again. When we suffer it does not always mean God is not pleased, it is also for our own good. So give God credit because He is a big God and He gives special favors because those favors are nothing compared to what He has already given which is Himself and His life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell725 View Post
    Even our salvation is God's big favor that we don't deserve. Nothing can beat that kind of favor. All other favors are just icing to the cake. But most people prefer the icing than the cake itself. Everytime God blesses your plans it's a special favor. When you make a choice that glorifies God, what kind of father will not be pleased? God was very pleased with David, although David always messes up but he repented and got it right with God again. When we suffer it does not always mean God is not pleased, it is also for our own good. So give God credit because He is a big God and He gives special favors because those favors are nothing compared to what He has already given which is Himself and His life.
    Sigh....*Face palm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell725 View Post
    Even our salvation is God's big favor that we don't deserve. Nothing can beat that kind of favor. All other favors are just icing to the cake. But most people prefer the icing than the cake itself. Everytime God blesses your plans it's a special favor. When you make a choice that glorifies God, what kind of father will not be pleased? God was very pleased with David, although David always messes up but he repented and got it right with God again. When we suffer it does not always mean God is not pleased, it is also for our own good. So give God credit because He is a big God and He gives special favors because those favors are nothing compared to what He has already given which is Himself and His life.
    Can you define what you mean by "special favor"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rachelsedge View Post
    Can you define what you mean by "special favor"?
    ****special favor comes from God especially when we get to know Him as a friend-----first salvation-----then a disciple------then a servant----next a friend-----have you ever had a friend do something special for you because of your friendship----God surprises us with blessing and expected things at time Supernaturally and through people---align yourself for favor---start connecting with the Lord for favor----draw close to Him----He may have something special for you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sc81 View Post
    there seems to be this idea in christianity today that God plays matchmaker between christians and he'll bring someone into your life, apart from a few exceptions in the Bible where people were brought together for specific reasons like mary and joseph there is no evidence God plays cupid.
    I saw this post on the list of recent posts, and I wanted to comment, even though I am married. God does not 'play cupid', since Cupid was one of the false gods of the Greeks from the pagan days. Abraham said that the LORD would send an angel before his servant to find a bride for Isaac.

    God certainly can direct and lead people in finding a spouse. There are all those wonderful promises about praying in faith and receiving in the Bible, and those apply to pray for a spouse as well.

    On the other hand, I sympathize with you, and I do believe some groups promote an extreme view on this.

    The Bible does not teach men to be passive if they want to have a wife. The Bible says that he who finds a wife finds a good thing and receives favor from the Lord. Finding can take some effort. In the Old Testament Jeremiah tells Israelites to take wives, and to take wives for your sons and to give your daughters in marriage. Parents were even to be involved in it.

    American culture and some other western cultures don't have any kind of social customs for helping children get married. Friends don't help much, and accepting such help can be looked down on. When you have preachers telling people God will make it just happen, that doesn't help much. In some countries, pastors may try to help match people up. In the US, in (a small minority of churches), there are pastors saying not even to look for a spouse.

    I can't say I've come across preachers preaching this doctrine, but I've run across individuals who seemed to think God makes marriages just happen without any effort on our part.

    In my case, I was looking for a wife. I was living in Indonesia, and spending a Christmas over there caused me to desire to pray more intensely for a wife. I'd been praying, but I prayed for the Lord to speed things up. I prayed all kinds of things like that, many of which happened. I felt like the Lord... maybe we telling me.. I met my wife in February. I'd meet my wife that month. My wife was praying that the Lord would just hurry up and send her her husband.

    I visited a Bible college. A missionary who worked there suggested I go to the library and see the English books. I had this conversation with a beautiful young woman there. She told me later, she knew I was the one she'd been praying for when she met me. She didn't let on. Actually, we were both fishing for hints while talking on the phone after we met. I went home praying whether this woman was supposed to be my wife after I met her. We both had a sense of it.

    I didn't cause myself to meet her. God answered that prayer. But I did put forth some effort to get to know her.

    The Bible says "if you marry, you have not sinned." A Christian who is legitimately allowed to marry (e.g. not married to someone else) who marries another believer who marries in a right and honorable way, has not sinned. He doesn't have to get some kind of vision that this woman has to be his wife. There doesn't have to be lightening bolts from heaven.

    But God can direct believers in this area of their lives as well, just like any other area. And if we pray and ask for God to direct us, he certainly can. I remember praying for the Lord to send an angel before me to find my wife, too.


    It's unethical to promote this idea he does because it can cause christians who've ended up in abusive or terrible marriages to blame God for matching them with that person even if that person was a claimed christian.
    I don't think this is a legitimate complaint. If someone says "God told us to marry" and God did not, that person is making a false claim. That might qualify as a false prophesy as well, and/or bearing false witness of God.

    If a couple has a bad marriage, that doesn't mean God did not direct them to marry, either. Two people can get married, and then not do their part in treating each other right.

    I am more concered with people who say if God did not tell two people to get married by some supernatural means that they aren't really married. I haven't heard that idea from the pulpit, but I did see some bearded fellow on YouTube who had a lot of viewers who seemed to have an idea like that.

    For men especially telling them to not actively pursue relationships will result in a girl never approaching you either unless you are model good looks.
    I agree that is an irresponsible thing to teach. Why put rules and restrictions on men? It probably wouldn't hurt men who are extremely social and charming and talk to everyone a lot. That can turn into a relationship.

    I am getting close to 40 and I was fed the lie of not pursuing a relationship and just waiting on God for a relationship and it never happened.
    'Ora et labora' is Latin for 'pray and work'. Are you actively looking for a wife? You can look for a wife. But it can be really hard to find one who likes you who you hit it off with who is godly with the appropriate values and temperment to be a good partner. That is especially the case for those who are particular about who they marry. And we do need God's help finding someone like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly View Post
    This article says singles 'can and should' seek a mate. Yet in my Bible Paul, who wrote the bulk of the NT, says we should avoid marriage except for people who can't control their sexual desires. So this magazine article says we Should pursue marriage, yet the bible discourages seeking marriages.
    My thought is I'm going with the bible and not the magazine that referred to Trump as 'being anointed as a wrecking ball' and for 'disrupting the spirit realm' by being elected. This magazine seems to have little credibility so far.
    I agree that Charisma can post was kind of weird, fringe sounding stuff. I am going more by the occasional article on their website for which I see a link posted on a Pentecostal forum where people comment on weird it is. They do have at least one sensible contributor whose articles make for good reading. Sometimes they are commetnary on the type of weirdness typified by the other articles in their online magazine.

    There are 'pro-marriage' verses in the Bible, especially the Old Testament. If a Christian young person has decided on marriage rather than celibacy, it makes sense to be proactive about it, especially for males. The Old Testament teaches parents to play an active role in it, and in the New Testament fathers give their daughters away in marriage. More parental involvement is a good thing, but that is a problem with the system.

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    I noticed this thread when I was browsing. I understand that it may be difficult to realize God's power in relationships, or to assume or believe that He doesn't play matchmaker. But He had played matchmaker from the beginning, by creating Eve from Adam. In Genesis 2:18, "The Lord God said, 'It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.' " It follows on to say in Genesis 2:21-23, [21]"So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and then closed up the place with flesh." [22] "Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man." [23] "The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man.' "

    It's not that God isn't or is a matchmaker. It is that we need to meet him halfway. In James 4:8, the Word says, "
    Come close to God, and God will come close to you. Wash your hands, you sinners; purify your hearts, for your loyalty is divided between God and the world."

    He has a plan in our life, for every facet and every relationship, and everything within our lives. But we cannot just believe that he will give us what we want, without meeting Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rachelsedge View Post
    Can you define what you mean by "special favor"?
    Special favors are things given to your favorites. God is very wealthy because He owns everything and He is also very generous. He gives generously and does not hold back to those close to His heart. Even in the old times, God plays favorites. David was one of His favorites. But God's provision follows a particular purpose. That's why when we give thanks to God's favor, we should also ask Him God, what is this for? An example is if God has given you a spouse it is a favor according to the scriptures but it is also a responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell725 View Post
    Special favors are things given to your favorites. God is very wealthy because He owns everything and He is also very generous. He gives generously and does not hold back to those close to His heart. Even in the old times, God plays favorites. David was one of His favorites. But God's provision follows a particular purpose. That's why when we give thanks to God's favor, we should also ask Him God, what is this for? An example is if God has given you a spouse it is a favor according to the scriptures but it is also a responsibility.
    But anyone can become His favorite by having unyielding faith like David and Job.
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    But anyone can become His favorite by having unyielding faith like David and Job.

    Yes because without faith it is impossible to please God.
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    It is wrong to say that God does not play matchmaker. Paul implies that being a false witness of God is a bad thing. We are not to bear false witness. We should be careful when we say what God does and does not do.

    God matched up Adam and Eve. Consider also Isaac and Rebecca. Could the sovereign work of God have been involved in the case of Boaz and Ruth? We don't read about any of them seeing a vision or hearing God's voice? God could work to put people together even if nothing spectacular seems to have happened to them.

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    Matchmaker??? my God ain't no matchmaker. He knew it before it was formed, for it is a rib that perfectly fits somewhere
    all man gotta do is look out for it. what's yours, u will always know when U find it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinkerbell725 View Post
    Yes because without faith it is impossible to please God.
    But!!!!! You assert that if someone has great faith, they can be favoured.... Hmm, not correct.

    Matthew 17:20English Standard Version (ESV)

    20 He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”[a]

    That alone debunks your theory. I read some of these posts and wonder if some of you can even discern the bible, if you read it at all... Really, some of you just make it up as you go because it sounds good to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Born_Again View Post
    But!!!!! You assert that if someone has great faith, they can be favoured.... Hmm, not correct.

    Matthew 17:20English Standard Version (ESV)

    20 He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”[a]

    That alone debunks your theory. I read some of these posts and wonder if some of you can even discern the bible, if you read it at all... Really, some of you just make it up as you go because it sounds good to you.
    The verse you quote doesn't debunk his theory. If one with faith as a grain of mustard seed can move a mountain, we can expect more of someone with greater faith.

    None of this deals with the issue of one with greater faith has more favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by presidente View Post
    The verse you quote doesn't debunk his theory. If one with faith as a grain of mustard seed can move a mountain, we can expect more of someone with greater faith.

    None of this deals with the issue of one with greater faith has more favor.
    Okay, then show me in scripture where your side is backed up....

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