What to post and not to post on the internet

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Jun 24, 2017
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So, due to a thread I saw recently I'm going to talk a little bit about operational security (OPSEC) as it pertains to the internet. The first, most important thing you should know is, if you post something on the internet it NEVER GOES AWAY. Really, it frequently gets told here that our posts are searchable by Google and that is quite true. Also all of your media accounts such as FB, IG, and Twitter. Not only that, but what other people say about you online is also available along with anything you post on other forums (for the most part). And if the page where some information about you no longer exists, it could be cached on a search engine such as google and will still turn up in searches.

One you're fully aware that your information never goes away the next consideration is how much do you want people to know about you? Do you even care if people know exactly who you are and where to find you? I've seen this trend where almost everyone who makes money from social media/youtube does not conceal their name or location or maybe even their specific house. On the other hand, if you would rather not want the CC'ers who ask for money in PM's before they've even made a post to have your information, your going to want to watch what you say.

The first bit of info to be tracked is your user name. If you've used it other places open to the web it can be googled to find the information you've put up there. So for example, you only have divulged your age and a picture of you on CC, but somewhere else you've got an account under the same user that you've posted a post with your first name. Now a person could have access to age, name, and what you look like which is one step away from finding your FB. The only other thing that would make it easy is your location. But you don't necessarily need these certain bits of information to find you. Maybe I have your picture and I know the name of the co-ed softball team you play for. Maybe there's a website with a team picture and names for each person. Then I know your name(possibly first and last), what you look like, and probably the area you live in (wherever that team is located.)

And you have to be careful about what you say. Suppose you wanted to withhold your location. You would also want to not mention the name of you're city's baseball team, or a restaurant or landmark that is specific to only your city. OR ESPECIALLY the name of your college. Likewise you wouldn't want to post images of yourself that are publicly available else where. It works the same as if your trying to find a catfish. I can reverse image search your picture and if it comes up that the picture is from a pornstar (this is actually a common usage) then I know it's fake. On the other end of the spectrum. If I search your image, if it's publicly available, your Facebook might show up instead.

Lastly you need to know that there is information floating around about you that you didn't put out there yourself. Maybe someone reviewed the restaurant you work at and mentioned by name that you were a really good server. Or maybe you bought some land and now your name is attached to a specific address. Or maybe you underwent litigation. Or maybe you were put in a local paper for something good you did. What these sources of info say about you needs to be taken into consideration when you're trying to understand what people can see about you. As you can see OPSEC is exhausting, and it may be that, after some consideration you decide it's not worth it to try and keep track of every scrap of personal info you've put out there. I'm sure that you are aware what people can do with such information and so it's up to you to weigh the risk/reward factor in that.

If anyone has anything to add, because I know that there are some people here more savvy than I, please do so.
 

blue_ladybug

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Honestly, some people just don't care whether their personal info is public or not. They air every other detail of their lives, so why not their info too.. Fakebook is just too public for me, even though my sister who's on it, says I would have "so much fun" if I got on there.. Me don't think so.. lol
 

Lynx

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The only way anybody online will ever learn anything about me is in a private message, and only if there is a reason, and only if I am certain I can trust you. So it doesn't happen very much. Not because I don't trust anybody, but because there is rarely a valid reason to give out that information.
 

seoulsearch

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Is it ok to use your first name and post a picture? I sometimes wonder if I should have just stayed as anonymous as possible from the beginning.

I recently had someone ask me, "Why do you have a picture up--don't you know that's dangerous?" but my line of thought is that I've been on dating sites for years on and off (currently off), and if you're on one of those, a picture is mandatory, so it's not like people haven't seen what I look like.

Do you think it's safer to just not post any pictures at all? (Though as I said, if one joins a dating site, it's no longer an option.)

For all the precautions some people take, I've seen cases of well-meaning people who've made very public postings of things like family trees. It was kind of horrifying to see how much detail they went into: people's first and last names; direct relatives; birth dates; specific locations.

There was also no contact info to be able to connect with the persons responsible and ask them to take down one's information. Seeing how much detail some of these records went into literally made my skin crawl.

So even if WE control what WE post about ourselves... there's no way to control what OTHERS post... For example, if they snap your picture a family event and then post it all over THEIR social media with bold, screaming headlines as to who you are ("Look, everyone!!! My baby sister Carla is 35 on this very day!") GRRR...

On the other hand... CC has also had some "big name" catfishes come through, which is why I always speak out against it. I haven't been catfished myself, but I've listened to hours (and hours) of dialogue from people who have, and they had their hearts utterly crushed.

So what are the lines between being genuine, and if it comes down to it, proving who you are, vs. using "operational security" as an excuse and a means to create an altogether different (and non-existent) identity?

There have often been times when I've actually said a little "extra" prayer... Just to ask for additional protection from the juggernaut of today's overexposed world.
 
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seoulsearch

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I had wanted to mention this while it was happening, but didn't see a good time back then to try to cut in...

I know we recently had an instance here in Singles of a very pretty young woman who wrote an introductory thread that just exploded before she was banned very quickly. I don't know anything about who she was or what her story was, and I wish her well. But I admit to watching with some curiosity.

A long time ago, we seemed to have a wave of young women (20's to early 30's) with extremely beautiful avatars and profile pictures here in Singles, and it was interesting to watch all the men trip over themselves in order to try to befriend them. You could tell because the same group of men (all ages and social statuses, including married) would post about how beautiful these girls were and then all appear on all these girls' friends lists within the first day or two.

One of the guys who fell for one of these girls was someone I used to chat with regularly. I had a feeling something wasn't right, but when I tried to say something, he said, "Oh no, no, Seoul... You're just jealous is all," claiming this girl had appeared on camera for him... but interestingly, didn't show her face.

One by one, all of these girls disappeared from the site. I don't know how many people were behind them, and they probably weren't ALL connected, but the guy I had contact with found out that one person was pretending to be at least 4 of these girls (I don't know how it all went down but one of the mods had informed him of this.)

He was completely crushed and felt it was totally out of left field, but to me, at least, there seemed to be some pretty obvious warning signs. (This young man isn't here on the site anymore and I've lost contact with him, or I wouldn't be telling this story.)

I'm certainly not trying to say anything bad about men or women, either, seeing as something like this can certainly go both ways, because I've talked to women who were catfished by a handsome face and empty promises as well.

So, I'm always pondering things such as, how much should one be allowed to protect themselves ... vs. how much should we be able to find out about a person immediately, to keep ourselves from falling for people who don't really exist?
 
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I don't necessarily say you have to create an alternate identity (though you could) as much as I would advocate for being a personal information black hole. Something like, every one knows your username and your personal hobbies and issues ect. but no one knows anything about who are where you are. That's probably the holy grail standard (other than just not being online).

As far as assumed risk when getting to know someone online, I use mostly the same protocol I would in the real world. (Which is bad procedure, but I'm not going to spend the energy it takes to meet the holy grail standard.) You can have the city I live in because everybody I meet in my city knows where I live. That's a lot of people. Names can be exchanged after a few private messages as I would normally do so IRL. This however is where things get tricky. A girl might give a guy she likes her phone number after knowing him for less than a day irl. On the internet I try and be wary of that sort of information, but I've been prone to similar flights of fancy myself. It's certainly not public information and it depends on the level of investment/trust you have in a person. Not every situation is the same and if you're going to try and get to know people online in that way, you're going to have to use your judgment. The other side of that is all of the kinds of information that can be used against you can be used against them as well and you can try and make sure their story matches with what you find about them.
 
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I learned some really valuable lessons about posting private information online. I have always been a curious child, you see.

When I first got introduced to the internet, I was overwhelmed with all the possibilities (of being able to find out just about anything and everything). However, it didn't really occur to me that I'm also making myself available for everyone to see.

When you're young and eager to showcase yourself to the world, you can kinda predict what happened. Other than the tons of photos I had on my public Picasa albums and just about every social network ever created, I got into domain buying too. Things escalated, then. I had to purchase domains online and for online use so there was no escaping it, I had to put even my parents phone numbers, complete addresses and so much more.

Little knowledge really is dangerous.

Out of curiosity, I searched myself on Google and was shocked at how many pages of Google Images had my face! To be honest, though, I was more concerned about how unflattering they were. :D But, that was the start of my almost-paranoia internet security habits. For many, many weeks, I had to go through the tedious process of "cleaning up". Had to download all my stuff and deleted them from the face of the internet planet. Learned about domain privacies (which I doubt really is privacy but that's how e-commerce works, oh well). I think the best thing was when I finally learned about network security, which is kinda part of my job as a network engineer.

After that stunt, I wondered. "Why would anyone want my information anyway?" I had no idea about catfishing at the time, but I thought about some internet black market where people sell information. I thought it was farfetched but, hey, I was right. Just the fact that we get spam emails is proof (of our emails being sold off to marketers, etc).

It doesn't end there, though. I learned that knowing about the dangers of the internet was not enough but I gave up before I could even think of ways to avoid them.

Because, in all honesty, the amount of online stuff we have to use daily just keep increasing. We're living in this world and if we don't adapt, we're the ones who will have to suffer in the end.

Like, I use food deliveries. They're online. Of course they got my address. I use Uber and Grab for transport, there's another security hole. There's online shopping, online communities (Facebook, CC), etc. I could go on and on. There's no escaping it. Unless you live in a cave and have no family, you're bound to post something about you on the internet.

So, there, I gave up trying to deal with it. Instead, and I think this is the best solution. I started seeking God for wisdom and favour in all my dealings (which covers basically everything including online) and started trusting that He will deliver me. With all the knowledge I have about internet security, I know what not to post but that doesn't mean I'm still safe (for reasons I mentioned above). However, knowing that God's on my side, I may leave footsteps behind that can easily be tracked, He can and will deliver me from all harm.

That's all there is to it, really, for me. I can live freely without having to be paranoid all the time and enjoy the internet for all the good things it brings!
 

Lynx

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Thanks for the reminder Abigail. All day I've been meaning to ask God's advice on what to do with a certain situation, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

After God's spirit itself, the best thing God ever gave me was not financial blessing, healing or anything else one might be able to point at as a miracle. Best thing I ever got from God was sound advice. It is priceless. Of course I've seen my share of miracles too, but the advice is better.
 

rachelsedge

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I'm probably way too blase with this. I just figure if someone wants to find me, then they're going to find me. I'm obviously not going to put my address or sensitive information out there, but you can find out so much on someone from one minute detail.

I went on a date with a guy back in January. We had exchanged numbers, and he typed my number in on Facebook, found my page, found a post I had made about Christmas lights on my house, and from there managed to find out my exact address by matching the front porch (using my photo I took in the DARK) with recent houses sold in my town. I didn't feel scared or anything, I was slightly impressed but mainly irritated, I think he was trying to prove how savvy he was (and I didn't talk to him for much longer after that, but for different reasons), but it did confirm that you can look up just about anything from something small (my phone number), if you're determined.

I guess I just don't hold my cards too close. I don't have much to hide and I don't think someone would have a reason to physically come find me (and if they did, my dog's bark would probably make them think twice before hanging around my house). Not that people that choose to not reveal much of themselves have things to hide or anything, I just...am not that concerned for myself?

I also feel like it's not much different than real life. There are people who come into work that know my name and where I work (obviously, if they're coming in to my workplace LOL), and could find out several things about me from there, who are probably more likely to do harm than from strangers by what I put on the internet. Again, I don't flaunt my bank account, address, SSN, etc. But my mindset is, like I said above - if someone wants to find out information on me, they're going to.

ETA - Not that I'm shooting down your suggestions, just simply I guess raising my hand to say that I am one of those who don't really care about what may or may not be out there on me. :cool:
 

JosephsDreams

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It might be my age and/or the way I was raised, but I am no fan of all this personal exposure on the net.
For that matter, the older I get the less I want to talk about myself in any arena.
 
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joefizz

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what's so bad about my face on the internet?lol
unless it's someone from highschool chances are good that I'm not in danger of someone knowing my identity,the exception being facebook but no big deal.
 
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joefizz

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though people possibly seeing my email address has been an annoyance but I fixed it on settings on some sites.
 
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I don't like to talk about my problems publicly! A lot of people talk about about what's going on in there life and ask of advice etc. There's nothing wrong with that. That's just not who I am. For example there's stuff I'm dealing with right now, but I don't want everybody knowing what I'm going through and give me there unwanted thoughts comments and opinions. If I need advice I'll ask the few people I trust behind closed doors.
 
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The first bit of info to be tracked is your user name. If you've used it other places open to the web it can be googled to find the information you've put up there. So for example, you only have divulged your age and a picture of you on CC, but somewhere else you've got an account under the same user that you've posted a post with your first name. Now a person could have access to age, name, and what you look like which is one step away from finding your FB.
It does not follow...

If you google "Harkins" you may find this username on some other forum (I don't know, I've never googled it to date). There is a chance that you may even find a person who is 39 who provides a picture.

Now you think you have me. Unfortunately for me and for you, you just made some huge assumptions that, if acted on, could have horrible consequences - as the person who is typing this has never used the username "Harkins" before in their life (excepting this message board, of course)

But let's say I had used it somewhere else - and not only that - I posted a picture. Here again, an assumption is being made. How do you know the picture is of me? I could have borrowed it from somewhere (doesn't have to be the net either), or if I had art skills, I could have made it from scratch. How would you know?

So then, you might think you would have to go on something else. Writing style, perhaps. Triggers, passions of the person. Unfortunately, even if you knew these things, and you see an account express them somewhere - on the face of it, you cannot know for certain it is that person.