The Emotional Black Hole, Part 1 -- When Nothing You Do is Ever Enough.

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seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Hey Everyone,

Do you have anyone in your life, or have you been around anyone, who is an "Emotional Black Hole"? It doesn't have to be a significant other--it could also be a family member, acquaintance, or friend.

When I say, "An Emotional Black Hole," I'm talking about the person who believes that EVERYONE hurts them, EVERYONE will let them down in some way, they've had it SO MUCH WORSE than anyone else in the world, and because of this, EVERYONE owes them something. ALL they can see is their own pain.

While I have definitely experienced this in relationships, I'm thinking of a particular "friend" I had once who was exactly like this. Now granted, she'd been through a lot of bad things in her life, and despite this, she was hard-working and responsible. But she also felt that she had Suffered More Than Anyone Else In the World, and because of that, she was always taking from people in some way (but in her mind, SHE was doing THEM a favor), and nothing anyone did was ever enough.

I had liked this person a lot--I admired her fiery attitude, razor-sharp wit, and incredibly tenacious work ethic. I really wanted to try to bring some joy into her life. I used to invite her out sometimes, and, knowing she was going through a hard time, would sometimes offer to take care of whatever it took for her to attend. I also enjoyed bringing her small gifts I knew she would like, and tried to listen on the many times she needed to rant about how unfair life always was to her.

But nothing was ever enough, and she never had a good word to say about anyone. Everyone was against her; everyone thought they were better than her; and everyone, she thought, should be doing more to help her. The final straw for me was when I heard her call the very people who helped her the most "fat, lazy (and several other things)" to me and to others around us. I told God, "I don't even want to know what she says about me, and I'm not going to stick around to find out."

One of the reasons why I'm single is because I've ran into this in my dating life as well. I'll meet someone who's been really hurt, and I feel a lot of sympathy for them, and want to try to help. But then I start to realize that nothing I ever do is going to make up for the 20 other women that betrayed them in the past, and nothing is going to make them any less bitter about the 300 life events that happened before meeting me that they're still angry about. They're always going to punish me for someone else's sins against them, and then they'll just accuse me of being another person who "wasn't strong enough" to push past their 8 million defenses and let them down.

It took me many years and lot of wrong turns, but I finally realized I can't fill an emotional hole that only God can deal with.

When thinking about the people like this that I've encountered throughout my life, two songs come to mind:

"What in the world can make a brown-eyed girl turn blue... When everything I ever do, I do for you?" -- Roxette, "The Look", and:

"I am everything you want, I am everything you need, I am everything inside of you that you wish you could be.
I say all the right things, at exactly the right time...
But I mean NOTHING to you, and I don't know why." -- Vertical Horizon, "Everything You Want."

I know these are secular songs and someone out there is going to say, "Well no wonder--you need to put JESUS first and not expect everything you need to come from someone else," and OF COURSE this is true.

But these two song lyrics perfectly embodied the way I felt when I was endlessly giving of myself, trying to both fill and yet pull myself away from a swirling vortex of emptiness that no one person was ever meant to fill by themselves.

* What experiences have you had with people who have Emotional Black Holes? (For the sake of privacy, you don't have to tell us who they were, and if you want, you can even say, "I saw a friend deal with someone who..." or something inconspicuous like that.)

* How did you handle it (or how are you still handling it), and what lessons have you learned?

I'll let this thread stew for a while before dropping the second part.

Thank you for sharing and God bless!
 
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I'm in an emoional black hole right now but it has nothing to do with past relationships or anything like that. It has to do with not having a single soul to talk to and watching all the fun things I used to do slip away because they have changed and are no longer fun or available to me...that includes all the fun I used to have here at CC. Things have changed in the last few years and I've found myself not in kansas anymore... (a reference to 'the wizard of oz')...

At least I can still sing on my phone. I even have 51 followers, but I can't talk to them or anything..

Me singing Goodbye Girl by David Gate/Bread:
https://www.smule.com/recording/david-gates-goodbye-girl/704754269_1551750554


 

Lighthearted

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Part two huh? Interesting thread.
Yes, I had a friend like that. This person not only nearly sucked me into the blackness, but I watched as she sucked everyone down around her. I realized I was tired of being on eggshells because if she felt negative about something or someone, she expected others to as well. Sure, I can be passionate about certain things in life and feel the need to voice my feelings...but I don't do it with venom or malice. I'm more about education. I cut myself off from this person because I don't want to be a Needy Negative Nancy...
 

Lynx

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You meet a lot of professional takers when you work in church ministry, people who have elevated "needy" to an art form. Their main survival skill is using guilt as leverage.

What is sad is, nobody sits down and makes plans to be a professional taker. You don't buy a book on how to be needy. This is something they learned from the experiences of their lives, over their whole lifetimes to date. They learn from experience that making people feel guilty gets them what they want, and they learn how to more effectively make people feel guilty.

When I identify somebody as a professional taker I put some distance between us, but I can't help feeling sorry for him. I don't feel sorry in the way professional takers want people to feel sorry for them, but I do pity them.
 

WineRose

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Wow, seoulsearch actually made a quite serious thread! That feels a little weird...lol.

But yes, 2016 has been one of the most dark and edgy years of my life. I almost became atheist and I was very confused about the subject of self worth, and when I try to look up the Internet for answers, it gets even more confusing, since it seems to be 50/50 about the subject. Some sources say that we're worthless and insignificant, while others say that we're like the most important and significant things in the world. And both of these opinions came from Christian websites! What's up with that?! Eventually, though, I just stopped being concerned about the subject and just continued to live my life as a Christian. :/
 

tourist

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These type of people will eventually suck the life out of you. That does not mean that you should avoid them but that your time around them should be in measured doses.
 

Lynx

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Wow, seoulsearch actually made a quite serious thread! That feels a little weird...lol.
Whataya mean weird? That's par for the course for seoulsearch. She's always making threads that make me think, and she KNOWS thinking makes my head hurt. Grrrr!

I should start charging her a monthly bill for my ibuprophen cost.
 

Pipp

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I deal with it daily with a client of mine, but seeing as she is mentally disabled her black hole deals with food. If I take her to lunch , instead of saying thank you usually while she is still eating she's already saying ...I was thinking ...maybe we could get dessert? And if I get dessert for her she'll say something like...this is good and all but maybe we can get a drink and snack on the way home ?



Now I know that doesn't sound like a big deal at all, but nearly 11 years of it mentally takes a toll on you. There's a sense of "this person is never pleased, no matter how much I do for them!"
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Wow, seoulsearch actually made a quite serious thread! That feels a little weird...lol.

But yes, 2016 has been one of the most dark and edgy years of my life. I almost became atheist and I was very confused about the subject of self worth, and when I try to look up the Internet for answers, it gets even more confusing, since it seems to be 50/50 about the subject. Some sources say that we're worthless and insignificant, while others say that we're like the most important and significant things in the world. And both of these opinions came from Christian websites! What's up with that?! Eventually, though, I just stopped being concerned about the subject and just continued to live my life as a Christian. :/
I'm glad God helped you through it, Rose.

And yes, serious threads are actually what I like best, as people who've be been here a while know. I have a notebook filled with thread ideas I jot down continuously, and 99.9% of them are all dead serious. I have a very dichotomous personality, split between laugh-'til-you-cry funny and cry - because you're really crying - serious.

But I know fluffy, funny threads are usually what most people like best because everyone likes (and needs) to laugh, and that seems to be what's usually in fashion, so I often refrain from throwing too many serious conversation-starters out there.

Every now and then, though, I can't resist. :)
 

Lynx

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Go ahead, throw some out. Hit us with your best shot.

(I don't have a thing in the world to do tonight and I need something to think about.)
 

Magenta

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These type of people will eventually suck the life out of you. That does not mean that you should avoid them but that your time around them should be in measured doses.
Yes, I immediately thought "parasite" :(
 
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I'm in an emoional black hole right now but it has nothing to do with past relationships or anything like that. It has to do with not having a single soul to talk to and watching all the fun things I used to do slip away because they have changed and are no longer fun or available to me...that includes all the fun I used to have here at CC. Things have changed in the last few years and I've found myself not in kansas anymore... (a reference to 'the wizard of oz')...

At least I can still sing on my phone. I even have 51 followers, but I can't talk to them or anything..

Me singing Goodbye Girl by David Gate/Bread:
https://www.smule.com/recording/david-gates-goodbye-girl/704754269_1551750554


Wow! That really WAS you singing. Pretty good!
 
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toinena

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I'm in an emoional black hole right now but it has nothing to do with past relationships or anything like that. It has to do with not having a single soul to talk to and watching all the fun things I used to do slip away because they have changed and are no longer fun or available to me...that includes all the fun I used to have here at CC. Things have changed in the last few years and I've found myself not in kansas anymore... (a reference to 'the wizard of oz')...

At least I can still sing on my phone. I even have 51 followers, but I can't talk to them or anything..

Me singing Goodbye Girl by David Gate/Bread:
https://www.smule.com/recording/david-gates-goodbye-girl/704754269_1551750554


Well. I still think you are very funny. And I hope you will get some joy back in your life very soon. I know it just seems like an old meme... But count your blessings first. And then your lonliness suddenly feels a tiny bit less burdensom.
 
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toinena

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I deal with black holes every day. I feed them with irregular verbs. They seem to chew on it. And somehow it is lost the next day. I try to feed them adjectives. Same thing happens. Are they black holes, or am I a bad teacher?

Yes. This thread is about emotional black holes. But isn't the trick anyway to help the person lift his/her head and change perspective. I remember the year i got my diagnosis. I was overwhelmed by the prospect of wheelchair, homecare..... It was all about me and my own suffering. I could of course also complain about my job or especially my husband. I had a long list of things to complain about that time. One day my physio therapist complained about her tooth ache. Hey! I wasn't alone in this world. There are other people suffering. And that was what was needed to make my perspective change.
 
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P3nnywise

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If I had cancer, I'd try extracting it asap.
 
Aug 2, 2009
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Wow! That really WAS you singing. Pretty good!
Thank you, Willie. It's really me. :)

Well. I still think you are very funny. And I hope you will get some joy back in your life very soon. I know it just seems like an old meme... But count your blessings first. And then your lonliness suddenly feels a tiny bit less burdensom.
Thank you Toinena. I've been adjusting and I am counnting my blessings. :)
 
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Galatea

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I deal with black holes every day. I feed them with irregular verbs. They seem to chew on it. And somehow it is lost the next day. I try to feed them adjectives. Same thing happens. Are they black holes, or am I a bad teacher?

Yes. This thread is about emotional black holes. But isn't the trick anyway to help the person lift his/her head and change perspective. I remember the year i got my diagnosis. I was overwhelmed by the prospect of wheelchair, homecare..... It was all about me and my own suffering. I could of course also complain about my job or especially my husband. I had a long list of things to complain about that time. One day my physio therapist complained about her tooth ache. Hey! I wasn't alone in this world. There are other people suffering. And that was what was needed to make my perspective change.
About the teaching- it seems like they forget, and you find yourself repeating things over that you thought you explained. The miracle is, some of it actually sticks. I have a student this year, that I had last year. We have a small school and I teach two grade levels. She remembered I told them they could be anything they wanted to be and she asked me last year if she could be a unicorn, and I told her "Yes, you can be a unicorn." Such a silly, off hand thing she remembered.

It is "taking" whether you can see the results or not. :)
 
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Galatea

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If I had cancer, I'd try extracting it asap.
People aren't cancers. People have souls. People have value. We are called to be poured out for others.
 

JosephsDreams

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I have had clients like that.
And also a friend who I am praying about and thinking that I may put alot of distance. It's just to much after a while, and it seems like nothing I have done or said is going to make any diff in his salvation.
As far as dating someone like that, no way. I'd run far and fast.
 

garet82

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Time will heal.
Even its hurt but giving forgiveness is best medicine for the breaking heart. By the time you will heal. Move forward dont let your pass become bitter but make you better person to move for next level of mature oerson in live.
Its not easy thing to do but when you apply that you make yourself stronger than before.