Does Anyone Else Suffer from a Persistent Case of "Christian Guilt"?

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I'm sure that every Christian has struggled at times living in this fallen World and trying to reconcile all the things we feel God is calling us to do. I think it is worth thinking about true and false guilt. Am I feeling guilty because I have not done what God required or because of the expectations of others? When Jesus was here on earth he knew his physical limitations and he took time to rest, to invest in a small group of people and focused on what God was asking him to do each day. We should also be aware of our own limitations and abilities and not beat ourselves up because we can't be everywhere and do everything.
 

Lynx

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Amen! I know sometimes I fall into that category of consulting with others and I've been doing my best to run to God. It really bothers me when someone gets offended when they get referred to look in the bible and pass the blame, I view it as denying who God is and what he is capable of and that is a very dangerous game to play around with. He is the answer of every thing we deal with and those that still ask questions are immature in the faith and to be honest it's okay to ask questions, but we need to know to go to our God in answering them
I disagree with multiple things here.

1. Offended? Who got offended? There's a difference between annoyance and offense. We are dealing with annoyance, the kind of annoyance someone has when he asks a question about a computer program and the only answer he gets is "read the manual!"

2. I know a few people who always just quote scripture instead of giving a real answer. It does get annoying. You get the feeling they don't really understand the scripture they are quoting or why it matters - it's just a line they spout in certain circumstances, like a robot reading off a program.

3. Immature? I know some people who have been christians for more than half a century and know more about the Bible than I, and they still have questions.

renewed_hope I believe you may not realize what you have done here, so I'm trying to be polite. Do you realize you just accused seoulsearch of being immature and of denying who God is? And you really made this accusation just because she registered annoyance at a "read the manual" answer?
 

blue_ladybug

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I think RH meant "someone" in a general sense, and not Seoulsearch in particular... :)


I disagree with multiple things here.

1. Offended? Who got offended? There's a difference between annoyance and offense. We are dealing with annoyance, the kind of annoyance someone has when he asks a question about a computer program and the only answer he gets is "read the manual!"

2. I know a few people who always just quote scripture instead of giving a real answer. It does get annoying. You get the feeling they don't really understand the scripture they are quoting or why it matters - it's just a line they spout in certain circumstances, like a robot reading off a program.

3. Immature? I know some people who have been christians for more than half a century and know more about the Bible than I, and they still have questions.

renewed_hope I believe you may not realize what you have done here, so I'm trying to be polite. Do you realize you just accused seoulsearch of being immature and of denying who God is? And you really made this accusation just because she registered annoyance at a "read the manual" answer?
 

Lynx

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I think RH meant "someone" in a general sense, and not Seoulsearch in particular... :)
Even better! We're calling EVERYBODY who has questions "immature" and we're saying EVERYONE denies God if they get annoyed by a "read the manual" answer.
 
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Guilt? All the time!

I could have given more to charities. I could have prayed more and with more sincerity. I could have read my Bible more. I could have given to the beggar outside the gorcery store. I could have picked up the phone and called my friend that I know is struggling. I could have done a better job at work. I could..........

Yes. The Holy Spirit can prompt us to do something for others. And you should act on that. Anyway I always feel I could have done more and excelled in what I do. For His glory.

I feel guilty just reading these posts. .... I guess the lutheran in me is putting me in the naughty corner.
 

blue_ladybug

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That is NOT what RH or I, is saying at all..

I think every one of us can admit that we're somewhat immature in our faith. And people DO get annoyed when the ONLY answer they get is "read the manual"...


Even better! We're calling EVERYBODY who has questions "immature" and we're saying EVERYONE denies God if they get annoyed by a "read the manual" answer.
 
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What manual?? They like to refer to the Bible as 'the manual', but I see it more as an encyclopedianical source of eternal wisdom and enlightenment... :rolleyes:

 
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That is NOT what RH or I, is saying at all..

I think every one of us can admit that we're somewhat immature in our faith. And people DO get annoyed when the ONLY answer they get is "read the manual"...
Thank you, Blue! That is what I was trying to say. I even admitted that I too struggle with things. I never once admitted I was perfect or mature in my faith. Having questions is normal, but when we do have questions we must turn to our bibles which is our training manuals until we are called home. I know sometimes I do word things the wrong way and I do apologize for that and I do appreciate Blue that you recognized my heart in my post and that I never meant to accuse anybody because I meant it in a general sense.
 

blue_ladybug

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You're welcome.. :)

Thank you, Blue! That is what I was trying to say. I even admitted that I too struggle with things. I never once admitted I was perfect or mature in my faith. Having questions is normal, but when we do have questions we must turn to our bibles which is our training manuals until we are called home. I know sometimes I do word things the wrong way and I do apologize for that and I do appreciate Blue that you recognized my heart in my post and that I never meant to accuse anybody because I meant it in a general sense.
 

seoulsearch

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Hmm... After catching up on the posts...

Maybe I should explain that the reason I said something several posts back is because I felt it was an observation I had made over a very long time and throughout many other threads I had written in the past, so I know my comments might have seemed to come out of nowhere.

I stand by what I said, but I apologize that it came out in rough form. I probably should have taken a minute to ponder and edit my thoughts.

Lynx--I appreciate that you always take the time to ask me to clarify my perspective because you want to know where I'm coming from and why.

RenewedHope--I also appreciate your taking the time to explain your viewpoint as well--after reading all your subsequent posts, I have a better understanding of what you were trying to say.


For anyone who might think I run to people instead of God, I'm sure I struggle with this as much as anyone else. But as I said in the beginning post, I spent the rest of my time on the treadmill talking to God about what was going on. However, people are always allowed to have their own opinions, and I understand that--especially being part of a public forum.

Now, sometimes, not always, but sometimes, if I'm not sure I'm understanding an answer that God is trying to give me, I do ask other people because they have other thoughts, experiences, and remember Bible passages I've forgotten that are very helpful.

For example, Cinder's post about being led by God's Spirit and not just people's needs REALLY spoke to me.

And I hope the answers here are also helping anyone else who has struggles in this area. :)

Thank you all for your replies.
 

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Hi Soulsearch,
You make me think of when I determined to spent 10 days in silent retreat to seek the Lord and ended up talking on the Phone with a woman I met on this site every day; who became possessive and triggered me to fantasise. Then waking up from a dream that exposed me has still having a divided spirit: failing to seek the Lord with my whole heart. This was day 7, I had resolved to accept my failure and go home the next morning, 2 days early. That evening felt the need to cry to the Lord in repentance (much like you, except at different ends of the spectrum, me completely unwound and cough up with fantasy; you, wound up and needing to get away from fantasy), so cried to the Lord before going to sleep. Then woke up at midnight and the Lord asked me: What is your purpose for being here? I replied: to find my purpose. He said: Seek first the Kingdom of God and all these things will be added to you. Then took the opportunity to ask Him a few questions: Should I continue my study? He said: Don't forget your purpose, then among other things asked: Should I go home in the morning or stay? He said: Continue to appear before God. These 2 question and His 3 answers are connected. Our purpose is more important than what we do and is ongoing. I did stay the next 2 dais leaving with a melancholy feeling that I will never walk where I was there again and that 5 minute conversation that made it so much better than worth it to have been there: still vulnerable to take for granted but my attitude is changing. No longer about trying to achieve, but ongoing. Lol Cheer up all of you this is ongoing and awesome even wen we stumble along.
In my perspective (from a man that was poor and needy, like the man who came along to you). What you could do differently is admit that you also came to unwind like the man who walked away (from Him), but to offer to pray for him for his need to be met as you left and give Him a hug in parting to cheer him. But trouble is, leaving with a clear conscience you don't get to cry to the Lord, don't get to do this post, don't get our replies mm scrap that idea for now lets leave well enough alone, we learn as we Go: as we walk in the light we have we get more light. We may have to caution you about being good, He came for the sinners and my humor also still needs help.
We are still friends and agreed with her counseling to avoid fantasy, we will not meet for a while and another while.
 

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Hey sis! Just reading your post, I felt the large weight on your shoulders. You know I love ya, your friends here love ya, and Jesus loves you. We are all here to help bear one another's burdens...here and with brothers and sisters around us in this crazy world.
In situations that you're talking about, if I don't feel or hear the Holy Spirit urging me to lend of myself in a situation, I ask myself, ok...what would Christ do?
You shouldn't feel guilty for taking some rest for yourself, after all, we must rest for Him to renew our minds, bodies, and spirit daily.
If you're really feeling guilty, which I find unnecessary, because I know you walk in the Lord's works as you feel Him lead you, spend some extra time praying about it.
You can't be everything to everyone. Thats Jesus' job! What we can do when we know someone is in need...is say a quick prayer for them and let the Lord do His thang gurl! Lol
Love you...
 

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When pride and defence goes, this is fantastic as a helpful solution unto itself. There's not a problem that any of us can experience that isn't found in the bible, His word and its corresponding solution. Anytime we have an issue with anything at all, before running to others, the first thing we should do is pray about it.

As Ephesians 6:11 says "Put on God's whole armor that you may be able to successfully stand up against the strategies and the deceits of the devil." We are called to be soldiers in the army of God. Paul told Timothy that no soldier gets entangled with civilian affairs, but "his aim is to satisfy and please the one who enlisted him." Likewise, as we serve the Lord, we should focus on His work, not our own obsessive, petty concerns. If we want to be a witness of God's power, we must first do what HE says to do, and show others the fruit that comes from serving Him. We do this by keeping our minds constantly on Jesus Christ. We must still handle the business of everyday life, but we are not to let the affairs of the world pull us down.
Before leaving for work in the morning I always pray for God to equip me with the whole armor of faith to prepare me to do battle in the day to day world.
 

JosephsDreams

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Hey Everyone,

As singles, we are always told to use our time and resources to do what we can to serve the Lord, because it's assumed that we must of plenty of everything to spare.

But how do we know if what we're doing is "ever enough", or if we are constantly "missing the mark"?

I was up early this morning in order to try to hit the gym; after working a few extra shifts this week, I haven't been able to go in a couple of weeks, and so I was very much looking forward to a relaxing hour of just walking on the treadmill and reading. I've had a lot going on lately and so I really needed that time to be able to be lost in my own head and just decompress from the stresses of life.

Seeing as it was 5:30 in the morning and all the treadmills were deserted, I picked one off to the side so that I could just kind of curl up in the corner and try to stop the spinning in my own head. And then... even though every other treadmill was open, an older gentleman (probably around 65) specifically picked the one next to me.

I knew what was going to happen.

I was very much just trying to read an article that I've been trying to finish for a week as it is... But the gentleman started asking me what I was reading, and then tried to open a conversation by stating that he was frustrated with the fact that no one ever wants to just talk. He said he'd just tried to start a conversation with a guy near the locker rooms but the guy had given a one-word answer and walked off. He then immediately went into a dialogue about how he had been overseas for the past 6 months and that Americans don't know how good they have it... and was trying to launch into an all-out verbal campaign of his social and political views, if only I'd listen.

And all I wanted to do was work out. I felt so bad because it sounds like this person really needed to talk, and normally, I would have gladly listened. But one of the things I was trying to calm down from was a week's worth of trying to leave work when my time was done but always being caught up by people who needed to vent for 20 minutes straight before I tried to go home.

I politely excused myself from the conversation and the gentlemen told me to have a good day, and promptly left. He had gotten on that treadmill just because he wanted to talk to me, and I felt bad for what I'm sure he saw as me snubbing him.

I wound up spending the rest of my time at the gym repenting. I told God, "I'm really sorry that I failed that man, Lord. But please, isn't it ok... that I really needed this time for myself? Because I feel empty and you know I'm trying very hard to find something that pushes my own 'reset' button..." After all, we can't give to others if we're not taking care of ourselves. But how do you find a balance?

I find myself struggling with this all the time. If I have $10 in my pocket, I wonder if I'm allowed to keep it, or spend it on something frivolous, or if God wants me to give it away to someone (and this is after I've paid my regular tithes and offerings.) I've been in situations where I'll meet mothers in domestic violence situations and have wondered if I should let them and their children stay with me (a male Christian friend once scolded me for not doing so, and for "not doing everything I could" to help a person in that situation.) Praise God for the counsel of a wise Christian woman who pointed out that this is not a very smart thing to do at all, seeing it would have made me another target for the abuser.

I am constantly second-guessing myself, and to be honest, I feel worn down, because there are some things in my life I'm trying to cope with as well, and I don't know how to balance my own needs with those of others.

As singles, we are often told that we have more time and resources that should be used for the good of the Kingdom, and of course, I agree with that.

But does anyone else out there find themselves constantly questioning if they're doing enough, or whether or not God is convicting them to do more?

How does one tell the difference, and when do you know you've found a healthy measure of in-between?

Thanks in advance for your answers. I'm looking forward to learning how others manage these challenges.

(Our married friends out there are welcome to post as well--I'm sure that everyone out there has some good tips to share about how to balance the demands of life, and I'd love to hear them all.)
I think a lot of us wonder if we are doing enough, seizing the opportunities, and are being sensitive to our Lords voice and prompts.
 

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I think a lot of us wonder if we are doing enough, seizing the opportunities, and are being sensitive to our Lords voice and prompts.
The bible does say in the book of Hebrews to beware, that you might be entertaining angles unawares. It may seem annoying when a stranger intrudes on your space for a few minutes but it also may be an opportunity to minister to the least of your brothers and sisters. Besides that, it may be an angel sent to comfort you and give you a message from God. Either way, the Word of God is not returned void, and someone will benefit for the ultimate glory of God.
 

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*Waits for the Not By Works arguments to spawn in this thread*

Oh wait, they're already here, aren't they?
 
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*Waits for the Not By Works arguments to spawn in this thread*
The Singles Forum is the new Not by Works thread...should I be adding a smiley?

Nah....

Doesn't help...lol
 
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*Waits for the Not By Works arguments to spawn in this thread*

Oh wait, they're already here, aren't they?
Like someone so wisely put it once on here...if you don't want to go to the BDF Forum, the BDF Forum will come to you.
 
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toinena

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One scary night the singles will be invaded by the BDF-ers!

And they will discover the deeper conspiracy lurking around in this forum.

Who is behind this conspiracy? It has to be the multi national companies pushing their food here.