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Lynx

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Boy, really wasn't in this for a fight.
No fight intended. I was just saying you REALLY misunderstood what Kim was saying. But she explained it, and you understood what she was saying, so it's all good now.

I'm not usually in it for a fight either. Bad for my blood pressure y'know. :cool:
 
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Susanna

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#82
No fight intended. I was just saying you REALLY misunderstood what Kim was saying. But she explained it, and you understood what she was saying, so it's all good now.

I'm not usually in it for a fight either. Bad for my blood pressure y'know. :cool:
No fight? What am I supposed to be doing here today, then?
 
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MissCris

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#84
Just some curious feedback-- you raise kids and all the full-time work of maintaining a home, something that, in this world, is priceless-- most people just send the kids to daycare and don't care, or understand how important it is to give them a sense of security, a house, as well as emotional; and you are worried about being a "burden" to your husband? and not being a "hindrance?"

you should be canonized, not criticized-- he's lucky to have someone like you IMHO-- it might help to help him value you more, and help you to value yourself more--
we're all in the same boat, it seems-- as Christians, we are the salt of the world, and heroes, and shouldn't let the world, or the spiritual enemies put us down, or put ourselves down.
just a thought--
wonderful thread!
Thank you for this :) But I should have clarified- my husband doesn’t feel like or treat me as though I’m a burden at all; those are just my own feelings, what I personally try to avoid. I’ve seen too many cases where the wife stays home, presumably to be a homemaker and raise the kids, but then doesn’t actually DO anything.

My own sister was/is like this (I can’t say for sure she is now, as we no longer speak). Her husband had a high-paying job that allowed her to stay home with her daughter. I stayed with her for a couple of weeks at one point, and...it was just crazy. She didn’t spend any time with her child; the kid was sent to her room to watch tv. This kid’s room was knee deep in toys, clothes, blankets, and garbage. I cleaned it for her once- and the joy on her face at being able to use her room for playing broke my heart. The rest of the house was just as bad, and I spent my days cleaning everything while my sister sat in front of her computer or slept. And then the money she would waste...I overheard several arguments between her and her husband about money. It was just a sad situation all around.

So my concern for myself not being that way is not because of my husband- I take it on myself to do most of what I do. I just wanted to clarify that :)
 
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#85
No fight? What am I supposed to be doing here today, then?
Go to the ice hockey game on the site -- BDF. You know, just as surely as there is a hockey game breaking out during fight-on-ice, there is Bible discussion breaking out during the fight-on-site.
 
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#86
maybe be nice and politically correct for once :p
That's like juggling a tractor-trailer and a banana. I might be able to juggle one, but I can't juggle both at the same time. (And, just in case you're thinking it anyway, yes, I can juggle a single banana about as well as I can be nice. Hard, but possible. lol)
 
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Miri

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#87
That's like juggling a tractor-trailer and a banana. I might be able to juggle one, but I can't juggle both at the same time. (And, just in case you're thinking it anyway, yes, I can juggle a single banana about as well as I can be nice. Hard, but possible. lol)
I juggle tractor trailers all the time at work, it’s easier than it sounds. Lol
 
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Susanna

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#88
Go to the ice hockey game on the site -- BDF. You know, just as surely as there is a hockey game breaking out during fight-on-ice, there is Bible discussion breaking out during the fight-on-site.

I'm not Bible smart enough to dish out valid insults there. LOL
 

Lynx

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Go to the ice hockey game on the site -- BDF. You know, just as surely as there is a hockey game breaking out during fight-on-ice, there is Bible discussion breaking out during the fight-on-site.
True, this is. I went to a fight once, and a hockey game broke out. Then another fight I went to, a BDF argument broke out.
 
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[video=youtube;DDkCe2cUHAA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDkCe2cUHAA[/video]
 

HeraldtheNews

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#93
Thank you for this :) But I should have clarified- my husband doesn’t feel like or treat me as though I’m a burden at all; those are just my own feelings, what I personally try to avoid. I’ve seen too many cases where the wife stays home, presumably to be a homemaker and raise the kids, but then doesn’t actually DO anything.

My own sister was/is like this (I can’t say for sure she is now, as we no longer speak). Her husband had a high-paying job that allowed her to stay home with her daughter. I stayed with her for a couple of weeks at one point, and...it was just crazy. She didn’t spend any time with her child; the kid was sent to her room to watch tv. This kid’s room was knee deep in toys, clothes, blankets, and garbage. I cleaned it for her once- and the joy on her face at being able to use her room for playing broke my heart. The rest of the house was just as bad, and I spent my days cleaning everything while my sister sat in front of her computer or slept. And then the money she would waste...I overheard several arguments between her and her husband about money. It was just a sad situation all around.

So my concern for myself not being that way is not because of my husband- I take it on myself to do most of what I do. I just wanted to clarify that :)
sounds good! sad that you and your sister are not speaking-- and the way things are in her house. it would be great if you could mend fences for the sake of being a good role model for your Neice--
and good that your husband appreciates your hard work-- if he saw your sister's place he might even more!
 
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What makes him masculine is his wife or wives understanding their role and fulfilling that role and him knowing his and fulfilling it ,,,
 

HeraldtheNews

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Well I’m glad I can multi task.

Without me there would be no one to do the gardening.
Oh and this is what I mean by gardening, last year I got a saw and sawed through
several thick branches up a ladder over a wall, cut them all up and dragged the garden
waste bin to the top of the Street ready for collection.
:p


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Without me there would be no one to go to work and bring
home the bacon.

Without me there would be no one to unblock drains.

Without me there would have been less people to help put up
tents and camp beds when I volunteered for a children’s camp
every year.

There would have been only one lady instead of two ladies to drag
loads of boxes of tracts, bibles and Christian literature out of an attic
for a Christian charity I did some volunteer work for.

There would be no one to lug all the heavy stuff around in the house, clear the
snow, do all the bending, lifting carrying around the house generally, painting,
telling the plumbing, electrician, what to do when they come (I hold my hands up
I can’t do these jobs lol),


But I’m still fluffy and dye my hair purple and still have all the added extras a woman
should have. (Just saying as these days with 5 genders ya never know. :D)
That's awesome! There were women Deacons mentioned in the Bible, even by the Apostle Paul, who wrote about the patriarchal culture then-- and I've heard it said that Mary was the lady in charge of the servants at the Wedding at Cana, and the Bible supports that--
"His mother said to the servants, 'do whatever He tells you.'" (John 2:5).

Your garden looks like it has a great start!
You might have heard the story of the preacher and the farmer--old one...

The preacher said to him, “My good man, God has certainly blessed you with a magnificent farm.” And then, there was a pause as the farmer took off his cape and shifted in the tractor seat to take a look at his pride and joy. He then looked at the preacher and he said, “Yes, He has, and we’re grateful. But you should have seen this place when He had it all to Himself.”

"Every farmer along this road and in this country has been blessed with the same land, pretty much, and the same opportunity. Each has worked his farm according to his nature. Every farm, every home of every family in the country is the living reflection of the people who dwell in it. He understood that the land we’re given was not the acres we buy for our farm or the lot on which we build or buy a home, but rather the life we give it, what we do with what we have. Our lives are our plots of ground, and that’s the land we sow and from which we are then obliged to reap the resulting harvest. And the way we’ve sown will be reflected in every department of our lives."
(copyright: nightingale.com; "The farmer and the preacher;" 2013)
 

HeraldtheNews

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Whoa-- better not re-post Shania there-- Canada country gone wild--she probably couldn't sing that in church! I've heard that song, just never seen her sing it--her story is inspiring although distressing.
Let's give Shania Twain another chance-- looks like maybe Shania needs to let "Jesus take the wheel" ?--

this is a more mellow version of another one of her songs--

[video=youtube;vRI5A0YraQI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRI5A0YraQI[/video]
 
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Miri

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That's awesome! There were women Deacons mentioned in the Bible, even by the Apostle Paul, who wrote about the patriarchal culture then-- and I've heard it said that Mary was the lady in charge of the servants at the Wedding at Cana, and the Bible supports that--
"His mother said to the servants, 'do whatever He tells you.'" (John 2:5).

Your garden looks like it has a great start!
You might have heard the story of the preacher and the farmer--old one...

The preacher said to him, “My good man, God has certainly blessed you with a magnificent farm.” And then, there was a pause as the farmer took off his cape and shifted in the tractor seat to take a look at his pride and joy. He then looked at the preacher and he said, “Yes, He has, and we’re grateful. But you should have seen this place when He had it all to Himself.”

"Every farmer along this road and in this country has been blessed with the same land, pretty much, and the same opportunity. Each has worked his farm according to his nature. Every farm, every home of every family in the country is the living reflection of the people who dwell in it. He understood that the land we’re given was not the acres we buy for our farm or the lot on which we build or buy a home, but rather the life we give it, what we do with what we have. Our lives are our plots of ground, and that’s the land we sow and from which we are then obliged to reap the resulting harvest. And the way we’ve sown will be reflected in every department of our lives."
(copyright: nightingale.com; "The farmer and the preacher;" 2013)
Its not farm size, just feels like it sometimes. Lol
 

Rachel20

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Thanks for putting this across. This is well written and true. We should strive for faith in God.


I'd like to throw a wrench into this conversation, since it's a topic I've been dealing with for awhile.

King Saul was described as possibly the "manliest-man" of Israel at the time, became a warrior-king but was ultimately rejected because he trusted himself rather than God. David was a scrawny musician who trusted God more than himself. Who was more masculine... does it even matter? The whole contrast leads up to the famous verse about God looking at the heart whereas man looks at the outside. So evidently a man should strive to be like David rather than Saul, from he perspective of inward devotion. Physicality is irrelevant.

A similar case happened with Esau and Jacob - the first being a rugged outdoors-type, whereas the other stayed in the tents all day with his mother. Yet Jacob was the one who was blessed and became Israel, not Esau. Jacob was faithful to God, not Esau.

And then you have Moses, who was so "meek" (actual word used) that God agreed to use his brother to speak for him. Would you view your pastor as masculine if he was afraid to go up on stage and speak? Yet I don't think anyone can dismiss the significance of Moses's leadership. Clearly masculinity is not outward, or if it is, it is irrelevant to serving God effectively as a man. The underlying theme with all three of these people was faith in God over themselves.

So youthfulness, fairness, meekness... typically feminine qualities, used to describe three of the most influential men of the OT.

I haven't done as extensive a study on feminine qualities, but maybe most obvious counters to the "status-quo" would be Esther, Deborah, and Ruth. Again, all of these demonstrated traits opposite the traditional view of womanhood (boldness, leadership, independence).

What we should strive for is faith in God rather than faith in our gender role - whatever that is
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Tinuviel

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I keep thinking of Genesis when I read this.

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Male and female/masculine and feminine are important distinctions in these days of gender confusion and perversion. However, the main thing is that both men and women are made in God's own image :)