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DABEARS85

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Ok... so this post is at least a BIT different than the usual! Usually, all I see is "God will find me my husband/wife, I have faith, I have been waiting forever, how do I attract the opposite sex, blah blah blah". I don't really have that problem, insomuch as I have a problem with being content with who I have now.

Let me explain, because it wasn't always like this. I think I'm just jaded. I've dated way too many girls/women, and... all of my relationships have ended, obviously. Not all of them ended on bad notes, but a lot of them did. That's usually what happens when you break up. Someone's feelings get hurt, and bad things follow.

Anyway, my last relationship probably messed with my head more than the rest of them. I've dated, and almost married, a few girls by now. None of them worked though. I lived with a girl for close to a year before, and almost married her, but she ended up being unfaithful. That was my lone experience with cheating, but it's whatever. I'm far past that, and that really didn't affect me so much. I kind of assumed it would happen to me at least once in my life, and well... it did. (edited content)

Anyway, that was the past. My last relationship just really messed with my head. I think it was because the girl was bipolar (lol not kidding). I didn't even know that til the end of it, but it explained a lot of stuff. She was hot and cold all the time, and one day I was the best person in the world, and the next I was the worst! I think... overall... that relationship was the biggest bunch of mindgames/relationship games I've ever dealt with. I know HOW to play them, I'm pretty good at them... but I also hate them. I hate how all relationships usually turn into a big relationship push/pull game. If you give too much of yourself, the other person pulls away. If you pull away, they will get closer and closer, giving too much of themselves. I think it's the old "want what you can't have" type of thing, and it always seems to hold true.

Well, needless to say, my last relationship ended badly. I'm not sure how many times I've truly been in love, but she was one of them, and I think that really made me second guess getting into another relationship now. Physically, she was gorgeous... heads turned when she walked into a room. Emotionally, she was a train wreck. It didn't help that she was in the military, and so she had this Army girl hardcore bad-mindset. It was attractive, but not exactly good for a relationship. It was like a constant hassle *(edited), because I think she was a feminist as well. Anything I could do, she either tried, did, or at least wanted to do better.

This is my problem with feminism I guess. A man needs to know that he is good at being a man, and when a woman tries to upstage him, especially one he cares about, problems happen. Women should act like women, and men should act like men. Don't yell at me if I want to open a door for you, or if I want to pay for your dinner. Don't act like anything I do, you could do better, simply because you are a woman and hear you roar! Blahhhh. It's SO unattractive. I guess... I like the girly girl. It's great when a girl loves sports and things like that, but... you really aren't one of the guys no matter how hard you try, and if you are... you aren't someone I want to date. I have my guy friends and my girl friends for a reason. If I want to hear about someone's relationship or talk about mine, or if I want to hear or speak about emotional issues, I have a girl friend (chick friend, not GF) for that. If I want to talk about sports, women, alcohol, and who has a faster car, I have my guy friends for that. My actual girlfriend... I want to be intimate and close to... speaking about emotions and life and everything in between... I don't wanna talk about how fast your car is, how many pushups you can do, or how you are the greatest thing on earth next to sliced bread (or pop tarts)!

That being said, basically, my last relationship sucked. It started great, I loved the girl, but it just wasn't going to work, and it didn't. That's the long story short. My point of this whole post is, that I feel jaded now. I want to be in love with a girl, and yet I'm not so sure I'm able to at this point. I kind of want a girl that is gorgeous, and yet amazing at everything else too. I can't handle another emotional train wreck girl, and I'm not really into dating a girl that I'm not attracted to physically. I just can't help not liking some girls. There are plenty of girls that don't like me too, and they don't apologize for it. I just feel like some girls chase me simply because I don't show interest in them, but I don't exactly want to break their hearts either. Most girls know that I'm interested in them, because I am completely straight up and honest. I will tell them. Some girls however... they just simply don't get the hint.

Anyway, my point is, I feel so jaded that I don't have the same.... willingness and wanting to get into another relationship now. I'm far past my old ex... it's been almost 4 months? now, and I'm not stuck on her, but I feel like she sort of ruined me in terms of being the hopeless romantic type that I used to be. I used to crave being in love... I would look for it, or at least hope for it... but now... I just feel like I'm biding my time for nothing. I have all these girls chasing me, but I don't really find any of them attractive, or up to standards I may have set for myself now. There are a few that I'm interested in (no I won't name who lol), but... I just don't seem to have the same drive as I used to.

I'm not sure what it is. I guess... I need to find someone that really sweeps ME off MY feet now. I feel like I just don't care to do that for another girl anymore. I don't want to be that guy anymore. I've done it to probably every girl I've dated, and yet... they've always ended up badly. I usually put everything I could into it, and yet they end based on the female's mistakes. Not once has a relationship really ended because I cheated or was abusive or wrong on some level. I always feel let down by the girls I date (which is probably my problem, none of them were really great Christians, yeah yeah, I know), and it just makes me feel less than excited to get into another relationship now. I'm jaded, plain and simple.

Also, it seems... every one of my exes that actually were important... every one that lasted longer than a month or two... they have ALL wanted to marry me. I mean like... go straight to Vegas or the courthouse and get married immediately type of thing. Every single one of them has attempted that with me. Even the last ex tried it. I always tell them I have a rule. I need to date a girl at least a year, and I want an actual real wedding. I don't want to get married 3 months into a relationship and then be divorced after 5 months. Divorce scares me more than anything, and so I'm careful. I just don't understand how all these girls want to marry me at some point. I also don't understand how they all want to marry me, and yet... eventually... they want to break up! lol! Also, almost every ex, beyond the last one, has tried to get me back after the break up. At least, all the girls that break up with me want to. I'm not sure what it is, but everyone seems to realize what they had AFTER things end. It's so annoying, and I refuse to re date any girl that breaks up with me. They all do it for selfish reasons, thinking maybe there is someone better (because I'm too nice, or I'm too this or that, or maybe I'm not "too much" of something lol), and yet they then realize maybe I was better than they thought. I don't know. It's all flattering to have these girls want to marry me, or want me back, but it's also completely depressing at the same time.

Anyway... so after all of these experiences.. I find myself jaded. I find myself unable to want to sweep a girl off their feet. I find all these women, who I once found amazingly attractive, and would count my lucky stars to date them... I find them less than what I want now. Sure, some of these girls are gorgeous... very attractive... and yet they are emotional train wrecks. Some of the girls are average looking, but amazing personalities... and then I just think... this girl is chasing me to the point of being a stalker... and it's a turnoff. Also, none of them really make ME chase THEM now. I don't know why, because I really think that's how it should be. A girl that chases me harder than I chase her just seems less attractive. I don't know...


I don't even know what I'm getting at with this post. I just feel jaded, and it sucks. I wish I wouldn't be. I miss being innocent with all my hopes and dreams about a wife in front of my face. I miss viewing women in a better light, instead of just remembering all these bad experiences I've had with them. Don't get me wrong... I LOVE women, but I've been disappointed by every single one. No matter how much I do for them, they always find ways to not appreciate me until it's too late. I can name a thousand stories where I've done something really special, and yet it never get's appreciated until AFTER we break up. When the girl comes chasing me after things are over, she tells me how great I was and how special I was. The thing is... no one seems to appreciate things when they HAVE it. It's always after it's too late. I just can't respect that...

I just don't feel like I need to be mr white knight in shining armor anymore. All you women can thank other girls for ruining that spirit in me I guess. I just feel like it's going to take a GIRL to sweep ME off my feet now. I know the stereotype is for the guy to do that for women... but I think women have ruined it for us men now, at least me anyway. All you women take everything so much for granted, and then you wonder where all the nice guys are. The problem is, you ruin all of the attractive nice guys before you even start. You all go for the bad boy types, and then when you WANT the nice guy to settle down with, they aren't there anymore. That's the main problem in and of itself. I can be both, and I admit I have been both, but I have never found an attractive "nice" girl that actually could live up to it. They always do something scandalous in the end. I think one problem is I've never dated a real "christian" girl in the fullest sense. Everyone "claims" to be a christian, but they couldn't quote very much, let alone live up to the values, to save their lives. Also, I'm not exactly into trying to meet a girl from a church lol. I go to church to worship, not to find a date. I'm too old for a youth group as well, and I would probably be uncomfortable there anyway. I'm not exactly the perfect christian myself, but I at least keep those values pretty deeply instilled in myself. I guess it's just impossible to find another girl that has that as well... at least not one close to me or one that is attractive in any sense of the word. Girls that are pretty... they know it... and they flaunt it... and use it... and it seems ALL of them are scandalous and bad in a lot of ways because of it. I feel like... if I am going to marry a real christian girl, I'm going to have to marry an unattractive borefest of a girl. I'm fine with not having sex until after marriage, because sex always complicates and ruins things somehow (not to mention is a sin outside of marriage), but all these "christian" girls close to me all seem to be weirdos in some way. I don't know.


What was the point of this post? I don't know. I guess I'm venting. I'll take constructive criticism or advice with an open mind, just don't be too harsh :)
 
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DABEARS85

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Also, I just hate how this world is so fake. I am always upfront, honest and real. Always. I am honest, even brutally sometimes, but I at least tell the truth. I don't try to act like someone I'm not. I try to be exactly who I am, and I own it. The problem is, no one else in the world seems to be able to do that. I don't try to act cool to impress people. I don't try to make up stories, or act like I'm better than I am simply to impress a girl. I act exactly who I am, I say exactly what's on my mind, and I am brutally honest. I wear my emotions and my heart on my sleeve, and it gets me in trouble all the time, but I refuse to change. I just wish there was SOMEONE else in the world that was anything close to that. Every girl I meet is fake in some way. It may even be innocent, just trying to impress me somehow, but I just want someone that is REAL. This world is so fake and "plastic" and it makes me sick. Is it so much to ask that I want a girl that is 100% upfront, honest, and real? I guess it is, considering all the other girls I've dated :(

Ahhhh... more venting from me! :)
 
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lil-rush

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There is nothing wrong with meeting a girl at church as long as you don't intentionally go to church searching for a girlfriend. Sometimes it just happens. You befriend a girl at church, and eventually end up dating. Don't sweat it if it happens.

As you pointed out, a main problem is that you are dating girls that aren't strong Christians. Of course they are going to be trouble. I don't really know what went wrong in your relationships, but I'm willing to wager there was at least some flaw on your part. In which case, examine yourself and find out how you can become a better man. Maybe instead of focusing on girlfriends, you can focus on self-improvement at the moment. Figure out how to make yourself a better man, a better Christian, and better able at attracting the right sort of woman.

Next time you do feel ready to date, don't date a girl you know is not strong in the Lord.

Just like guys are always saying "There are plenty of nice guys out there, so don't be jaded when a bad boy treats you wrong" the same advice with the genders flipped works for you. There are plenty of nice, Godly girls out there, so do not feel jaded because a girl with issues did you wrong.

I know pretty Christian girls. Most of them are in relationships at the moment, but pretty Christian girls do exist.

Question: do you befriend girls before you date them?
 
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lil-rush

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Is it so much to ask that I want a girl that is 100% upfront, honest, and real?
Yes, it is. It's a defense mechanism for people to not act completely like themselves around people they are not comfortable around. Most people think I'm a sweet quiet girl, because I'm shy and socially awkward. It doesn't make me fake. It just means I am not comfortable around people I am not friends with.
 
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DABEARS85

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As you pointed out, a main problem is that you are dating girls that aren't strong Christians. Of course they are going to be trouble. I don't really know what went wrong in your relationships, but I'm willing to wager there was at least some flaw on your part. In which case, examine yourself and find out how you can become a better man. Maybe instead of focusing on girlfriends, you can focus on self-improvement at the moment. Figure out how to make yourself a better man, a better Christian, and better able at attracting the right sort of woman.
This is where I think you are wrong. The "flaws" on my part were only flaws in the sense of the push/pull theory, if anything. In the past, if I really loved a girl, I was willing to give everything I could. While in the navy, I dated a girl from back home. She was in Chicago, and I was stationed in CT. I was around 19 or 20 at the time. What was my flaw? I would try my hardest to see her as much as I could. Every couple of weeks, I would get off of an 18 hour work day at 8 pm on a friday, and I would drive around 1500 miles I think it was? just to see her for the weekend. This was somewhat illegal in the military sense, since you aren't allowed to go beyond 300 miles at any time, although I was never caught. I did it anyway. I would leave at 8 pm on Friday with everything packed beforehand, and get home on a Saturday morning. I would sleep for a couple hours and spend the day with her. Then, I would leave sometime in the afternoon on Sunday, and get back just around 4 or 5 am in the morning on Monday, to be at work at 6 am. That is how much I was willing to give to a girl that I loved, and I guess that is my "flaw" if I have any. I give all of myself when I am in love. The problem with that, is the whole push/pull theory. The more you give, the less you get back. The easier you are to attain, the less attractive you are. The more you do for someone, the less they will appreciate it. That is a flaw in human nature, not exactly a flaw in myself. I've sense not done that as much, if only because I've gotten used for it, but it was just an example of how far I was willing to go for a girl I cared about. Girls just do not appreciate things like that, plain and simple.

I think, for you to think I have a flaw on my part, instead of the other way around, really shows the problem with the world. If I have flaws, I admit them. I'm not afraid of not being perfect. I just know my own situation, and I know that things never ended because of myself. Things go bad from selfishness on the female's part, because society dictates you females are perfectly fine to act less than honorable in relationships. You girls never give more than you get, period. Ever. I think you proved my point by just blindly assuming I have flaws in myself as a reason for my relationships ending, instead of inquiring and realizing other things. If I truly have a flaw, it's either that I'm not mr gorgeous Brad Pitt type, or it's that I haven't dated completely great "christian" girls. The problem is, they are all "christians", but they don't live up to the values. No one does. That being said, I find it completely impossible to find a real christian girl in the first place. If there exists any, perhaps they are on this website, but then again... none of you live close to me :)





Next time you do feel ready to date, don't date a girl you know is not strong in the Lord.
Perhaps I am ready, I just don't really feel like I want to date any girl I've come across yet. As I've stated, I'm jaded enough where I need a girl to sweep me off my feet, instead of the other way around. That being said, it's very hard to find a girl that's strong in the Lord AND is attractive AND close to me, beyond online dating through christianchat.com lol. Things are far easier said than done hun :)

Just like guys are always saying "There are plenty of nice guys out there, so don't be jaded when a bad boy treats you wrong" the same advice with the genders flipped works for you. There are plenty of nice, Godly girls out there, so do not feel jaded because a girl with issues did you wrong.
I'm jaded from my past, but it just opened my eyes more than completely shut me off. I just expect more from women at this point than I did in the past. I refuse to be unappreciated basically. My standards are higher, because I feel that I don't need to get into another relationship if I don't know if they are able to live up to the standards I need to be happy with. I guess... I just miss being innocent and hopeful with it! The story I mentioned previously, about me driving thousands of miles just to see my ex girlfriend for a single day... I miss having that drive out of love. The problem is, girls seem to be unable to appreciate such things. That is just one story out of many, but I guess it doesn't matter.

I know pretty Christian girls. Most of them are in relationships at the moment, but pretty Christian girls do exist.

Question: do you befriend girls before you date them?
I know there are pretty christian girls, I've just yet to meet any that are close to me and single :) This post was a huge rant/vent more than anything lol.

To answer your question, yes I do. I wouldn't get into a relationship with a girl before I'm able to be friends with her, because friendship is one of the biggest keys of a successful relationship in the first place. Your spouse should be your BEST friend, period. They are the ones who are closest to you, know you the best, and care about you the most. It's mutual as well. I'm not even sure how you could date a girl if you aren't friends with them?

I mean... I've gone ON dates with girls before I knew them. That's an obvious thing... but actually being in a relationship? That takes time.
 
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DABEARS85

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Yes, it is. It's a defense mechanism for people to not act completely like themselves around people they are not comfortable around. Most people think I'm a sweet quiet girl, because I'm shy and socially awkward. It doesn't make me fake. It just means I am not comfortable around people I am not friends with.
I find that as an excuse almost. I'm not saying it's wrong, but to not be honest and upfront is wrong in my eyes. I speak my mind, say exactly what I'm thinking and feeling, and I don't lie about anything. I understand it's a defense mechanism, but I just don't understand how people refuse to drop walls once they know someone. I'm not saying you are fake for having walls, but... being honest and real isn't something that is difficult to do. Being yourself isn't difficult, nor is it asking a lot. I can completely agree that before you know someone, you aren't completely upfront and don't show ALL of yourself. I'm saying... when you date someone that you care about... you should be able to be 100% upfront, honest, and real.

I understand that when I get into a relationship, there are a lot of walls that I have to break down in the girl. I do it, and I'm fine with it, but eventually all those walls need to go away. It's a trust issue, and without trust, you don't have anything. You have to go into things being trustful. It isn't something you can really earn, and once it's lost, it's gone forever. That's why once someone cheats, things are over forever. You simply cannot gain that trust back, and so you have nothing left.
 
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DABEARS85

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You know... even though I've said all of this... I still know what I want....

I want love. I want real, true, amazing love in all it's glory. I wanna love with a passionate burning fire. I want love like the Song of Solomon described so well. I want to be burning with passion with my wife, to burn with a love that doesn't end, despite age or how long I've been with her, despite anything and everything life throws against us. I want to desire my wife like I've never desired anything before. I don't mean all of this in just a lustful way either, but in a sense of true caring, a passionate, burning desire for intimacy, caring, devotion, faithfulness, and each others' company. I want a girl by my side, and me by hers. I want to feel a love so strong that I would die for her, be willing to give her my last breath over take it myself. I want a girl where it would be me and her against the world, against all odds, to the point where she makes me better, pushing me beyond my normal limits, allowing myself to reach my full potential as a man, and vice versa. I need someone that will really challenge me and give me the motivation to strive to be completely everything of a man I could possibly imagine and more. I want to be able to give that to her as well.

That's what I want. That's what I feel I've lost. That's why I don't feel like myself, because that is the type of hopeless romantic that I used to be. I want to gain it back, but I also want to gain it with someone that is WORTH it. I want someone that would appreciate all of those things, and even give some of it back for me as well. Is it impossible to find? Maybe... but life seems so dull and pointless without that type of passion. I don't want to marry a girl that I'm not passionate about that strongly, and I know I'm capable of it. When I say I need a girl that sweeps me off my feet... that's what I mean. I need a girl that is capable of making me feel like that for her, because that's what I really need to be completely happy. Despite the man and the person I could be by myself, I want someone that will help me move past the normal limits, and to really become someone that I couldn't on my own. That is what true love can really do for you, and that is what I really miss in my life. I don't miss a girlfriend. I don't miss an average girl that won't push me to be anything more than I am. I don't want a girl that will not appreciate who I am, let alone who I could be, and I don't want to a dull and boring life, void of intimacy and passionate caring for each other.

I guess that is what makes me sad. I feel like I've lost that just a little bit through being jaded, and I don't want to lose that. That passion is what makes me who I am, and without it, I feel like I'm a shell of my former self. I feel like I'm not exactly the man I used to be, because girls that didn't deserve my attention sucked some of my life and passion out of me. I want to gain it back, despite how impossible a task it may seem. I want real love like that... despite how much of a fairy tale it is, because I know how capable I am in doing it, so I refuse to accept that there is no one else in the world that is just as capable as well.
 

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This is where I think you are wrong. The "flaws" on my part were only flaws in the sense of the push/pull theory, if anything. In the past, if I really loved a girl, I was willing to give everything I could. While in the navy, I dated a girl from back home. She was in Chicago, and I was stationed in CT. I was around 19 or 20 at the time. What was my flaw? I would try my hardest to see her as much as I could. Every couple of weeks, I would get off of an 18 hour work day at 8 pm on a friday, and I would drive around 1500 miles I think it was? just to see her for the weekend. This was somewhat illegal in the military sense, since you aren't allowed to go beyond 300 miles at any time, although I was never caught. I did it anyway. I would leave at 8 pm on Friday with everything packed beforehand, and get home on a Saturday morning. I would sleep for a couple hours and spend the day with her. Then, I would leave sometime in the afternoon on Sunday, and get back just around 4 or 5 am in the morning on Monday, to be at work at 6 am. That is how much I was willing to give to a girl that I loved, and I guess that is my "flaw" if I have any. I give all of myself when I am in love. The problem with that, is the whole push/pull theory. The more you give, the less you get back. The easier you are to attain, the less attractive you are. The more you do for someone, the less they will appreciate it. That is a flaw in human nature, not exactly a flaw in myself. I've sense not done that as much, if only because I've gotten used for it, but it was just an example of how far I was willing to go for a girl I cared about. Girls just do not appreciate things like that, plain and simple.

I think, for you to think I have a flaw on my part, instead of the other way around, really shows the problem with the world. If I have flaws, I admit them. I'm not afraid of not being perfect. I just know my own situation, and I know that things never ended because of myself. Things go bad from selfishness on the female's part, because society dictates you females are perfectly fine to act less than honorable in relationships. You girls never give more than you get, period. Ever. I think you proved my point by just blindly assuming I have flaws in myself as a reason for my relationships ending, instead of inquiring and realizing other things. If I truly have a flaw, it's either that I'm not mr gorgeous Brad Pitt type, or it's that I haven't dated completely great "christian" girls. The problem is, they are all "christians", but they don't live up to the values. No one does. That being said, I find it completely impossible to find a real christian girl in the first place. If there exists any, perhaps they are on this website, but then again... none of you live close to me :)


For a relationship to be good, there is NO way it can be good because of just one of the people. For a relationship to go badly, there is also NO way it can go badly because of just one of the people.

More often than not, the scales weight more in one direction than another where credit or criticism is due...BUT, to say that one has no fault (flaws) to speak of in a relationship going downhill or ending badly is just silly.
It would be equally silly to take all the credit for having a fantastic relationship.

One of the qualities I appreciate in someone the most is humbleness. I don't think it take a lot for someone to take responsibility for their actions or part in things. It is equally as unattractive to see somoen constantly playing the blame game and playing the *woah is me* about things without seeming to take into consideration their role in how things turned out.

I recently had a relationship end, and it would be VERY easy to blame him for many wrong things that took place and choices he made. But, I would rather live with a clean consciance knowing that I truly evaluated my heart knowing that I am willing to learn and grow from my part in things. I look back and can see instances where I was not true to myself or made bad choices myself. Had I made different choices at those times, things could have and more than likely would have been different.

It takes two to tango as they say. :)

 
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DABEARS85

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It takes two to tango as they say. :)
Perhaps, but it takes one person to lead! Also, I think you are wrong. It is very possible for one person to ruin a relationship on their own merits, rather than it be two people. One person can try as hard as they can, and the other not respond, and thus... things end :) I'm honest when I do wrong, but I will also not make up things that aren't there just to take equal responsibility!

As I've said, not ALL my relationships have ended badly. Just a few of them did. One even ended simply from her going to join the peace corp, and I refused to hold her back from her dreams. It was as simple as that. She wanted to quit and come back for me, and I said no, because I didn't want to be the reason she didn't pursue what she wanted to do in life. Things like that are what they are.
 

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DABEARS85;346579 Also said:
Of course you do. I was expecting you would. I have read many of the things you have written on the forums, so I had a decent idea of the type of response I would get from you by posting my thoughts.

Best to you in your future relationships.[/color]
 

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I don't usually read posts that are longer than about 4 paragraphs but I made an exception here because you tend to post some really good stuff.

My advice, or observation really, is that you're too enthusiastic to be in love. You're both similar and different to alot of the dudes on this site - similar in that you really really want a woman, but different in that you actually have the ability to get one.

In my opinion, your life is too focused on finding love. I don't know you or your life of course, but I'm just basing this on the nature of your posts on this site and the part of the site in which you tend to post most of them. I really think you need to take an extended break from pursuing women or being pursued by women - I mean years as opposed to months. Put some time between these bad relationships you've had and your next womanising phase. Getting another woman now is too soon for you to recover from your jadedness - you'll just bring it all into your next relationship.

I haven't had a real relationship in 5 years - partly by choice, partly because of failed or half-hearted attempts. I think I'm a bit similar to you in that the relationships I had were with girls who were "semi-Christian" (which is impossible), i.e. not Christians but claimed to be. I also was optimistic about their conversion potential, but I also did not understand the Chistia faith enough to know that I was leading a very worldly life. I look back on these events and because of the time that has elapsed it appears as a distinct phase of my life, inconsistent with my current goals and objectives and vastly different to the way I now spend my time. I would suggest that you take a similar approach and close the chapter of your life that involves you being in relationships with non-Christian women, and just leave the whole subject of women alone for a while. Train yourself not to need one. It may be difficult. As cliched as it may sound, have as the main focus of your life and the defining feature of your character the pursuit of the kingdom of God, then as Jesus says, all these things will be added unto you. I'm sure that you're much more likely to find (and be more appealing to) the "nice" girl you're after if at any given point in time you've spent the last few years of your life studying the bible and leading a Godly life rather than being in failed relationships with non-Christian women.

I'm sorry if any of this is offensive or patronising.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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My Opinion

Good points about your post: You said pop tarts.


It seems your standards are unattainable. That No girl is good enough for you. In your current mindset, i dont believe any woman should be pursing you or dating you. You said in one post you would not change how you are. What woman wants a man totally unwilling to change anything about himself. Relationships are all about compromising. Not, Sorry this is how i am either get over it or get out.

Sometimes being brutally honest is not a good thing, it can hurt people. At the end of your first post you said, Don't be to harsh, but if i was brutally honest about how i felt about your post, i would probably come across as harsh, but because i want to be considerate of you and how you feel about this subject, i want to word my self in such a way that its respectful. You said in your second post, You say exactly what's on your mind, yet again you say, don't be too harsh. Why give brutal honesty and saying exactly whats on your mind, when you cannot yourself receive it?

Some fakeness as you call it is needed. Sometimes its necessary to protect someones feelings. I'll take being fake any day over just spouting off exactly whats on my mind, and potentially really hurting someone i care about.
 
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lil-rush

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I think, for you to think I have a flaw on my part, instead of the other way around, really shows the problem with the world. If I have flaws, I admit them. I'm not afraid of not being perfect. I just know my own situation, and I know that things never ended because of myself.
I think it is highly improbable that you, a mere human, are flaw-free. I don't think the girls were flawless. I am sure they had issues, but that doesn't mean you are perfect. My suggestion was that you figure out what your flaws are -however small and insignificant you think they are- and work on them. If your flaw is that you are too willing to give, then work on holding back some. There is nothing wrong with a giving spirit, but if people abuse that giving by stepping all over it you need to learn to stop giving so much to them.

Things go bad from selfishness on the female's part, because society dictates you females are perfectly fine to act less than honorable in relationships. You girls never give more than you get, period. Ever. I think you proved my point by just blindly assuming I have flaws in myself as a reason for my relationships ending, instead of inquiring and realizing other things. If I truly have a flaw, it's either that I'm not mr gorgeous Brad Pitt type, or it's that I haven't dated completely great "christian" girls. The problem is, they are all "christians", but they don't live up to the values. No one does. That being said, I find it completely impossible to find a real christian girl in the first place. If there exists any, perhaps they are on this website, but then again... none of you live close to me :)
First, I did not blindly assume anything. The probability of you being flaw-free are slim to none. As such, I was saying if you had flaws, work on them.

Brad Pitt isn't gorgeous, but I get what you're saying. Dating the wrong type of person is definitely a bad foundation for a relationship.

Perhaps I am ready, I just don't really feel like I want to date any girl I've come across yet. As I've stated, I'm jaded enough where I need a girl to sweep me off my feet, instead of the other way around. That being said, it's very hard to find a girl that's strong in the Lord AND is attractive AND close to me, beyond online dating through christianchat.com lol. Things are far easier said than done hun :)
Let me rephrase my previous statement, then. Next time you are in all actuality ready to date, find a woman strong in the Lord. A jaded man should not try to date, because you will end up hurting a woman who is not jaded.

Personally, I would not want some man pursuing me when his opinion about women was less-than favorable. That is unfair to me, and a selfish thing to do on the man's part. I have never done anything to hurt a man, and so I deserve better. Likewise, any woman you decide to pursue, deserves better than a jaded you.

I never said it was easy to find an attractive, Godly person. It is possible, though.

I'm jaded from my past, but it just opened my eyes more than completely shut me off. I just expect more from women at this point than I did in the past. I refuse to be unappreciated basically. My standards are higher, because I feel that I don't need to get into another relationship if I don't know if they are able to live up to the standards I need to be happy with. I guess... I just miss being innocent and hopeful with it! The story I mentioned previously, about me driving thousands of miles just to see my ex girlfriend for a single day... I miss having that drive out of love. The problem is, girls seem to be unable to appreciate such things. That is just one story out of many, but I guess it doesn't matter.
Your standards are higher, but are you still willing to date girls that are not Godly Christian women? If so, forget it. Your standards will do you no good if you continue to date the wrong sort of women.

Women appreciate being the object of affection. You're just dating the wrong women. In relation to your story about driving hours to spend time with that one girl, maybe next time you should find a woman that would be more concerned with your job than with spending time with you. I can't help thinking it was selfish of that girl to allow you to repeatedly risk your job just to spend time with you. I don't think that is romantic. I think it was unduly risky.

Maybe you should find a girl who is more pragmatic, a little less romantic. That way she can keep you grounded while you float away in your romantic feelings.

I know there are pretty christian girls, I've just yet to meet any that are close to me and single :) This post was a huge rant/vent more than anything lol.
Mkay.

I find that as an excuse almost. I'm not saying it's wrong, but to not be honest and upfront is wrong in my eyes. I speak my mind, say exactly what I'm thinking and feeling, and I don't lie about anything. I understand it's a defense mechanism, but I just don't understand how people refuse to drop walls once they know someone. I'm not saying you are fake for having walls, but... being honest and real isn't something that is difficult to do. Being yourself isn't difficult, nor is it asking a lot. I can completely agree that before you know someone, you aren't completely upfront and don't show ALL of yourself. I'm saying... when you date someone that you care about... you should be able to be 100% upfront, honest, and real.
I guess it depends on what a person is withholding. I don't know what you are talking about that was held back, though, so I can't fairly say whether it was necessary or not. There are times, though, when there is absolutely nothing wrong with people not being an open book. If it serves no purpose to tell a friend something, then I don't think you need to be honest about it.

I understand that when I get into a relationship, there are a lot of walls that I have to break down in the girl. I do it, and I'm fine with it, but eventually all those walls need to go away. It's a trust issue, and without trust, you don't have anything. You have to go into things being trustful. It isn't something you can really earn, and once it's lost, it's gone forever. That's why once someone cheats, things are over forever. You simply cannot gain that trust back, and so you have nothing left.
I really don't know what type of walls you are talking about exactly. Are you talking about her becoming comfortable to act herself around you, her telling you all her deepest darkest secrets, her telling you all her feelings, what?

Trust can be gained back. Everyone makes mistakes, and everyone has failings. To say trust is gone forever once lost isn't true. Trust is hard to earn back, but when both parties are working to rectify a situation, it can be returned.
 
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Have you thought of including God in your relationship decisions? Never know He might offer some good advice :)
 
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seetheunseen

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I have read your post I went from moderately impressed in your values to thinking your kind of an egotistically very self-centred in himself. What do you want? You say you are into apparance yet you do not like girls that are pretty because there into themselves you say you want a christian woman yet you bash most christian woman calling us ugly and boring. My issues with these statement is that mind set in guys ignore girls like me(not me girls like me I can care less if your interested in me or not). One problem with this mindset is that your looking for the wrong type and your refusing to see that, your also are not listing to God. You say you put his values first yet you are choosing your mate based on unGodly standards no were did it say in the bible outside appearance matters. Its fine you want to date a woman that you are attracted too I would not date a man I am not attracted to but attraction is not based on appearance and it seem you are basing your decisions on it. As well how can you clam the world is plastic when you seem into the plastic world that is a hypocritical statement. I am taking none of what you say offensively it is just frustrating to hear such words and blame being put on woman(woman are far from perfect but so is man). Your not prefect no human is maybe the girls you dated did have flaws but so did you its great you like love and try to wow them off there feet and you wanting them to be more woman and less manly is understandable, but my best suggestion is take this time of uninterest and listen to what God would like in a woman for you and stop blaming everyone else since it does not matter if they are at fault. Its not a good or Godly mindset to put the blame on others, and I now this from personal experience I dated someone when I should not have and I blamed him when it ended, yes he was wrong in more things than I was but that thinking gets you know were. Once I stopped thinking like that it did me wonders I was able to better myself, and I could not be happier for it.
 
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Jennifleur

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Perhaps I am ready, I just don't really feel like I want to date any girl I've come across yet. As I've stated, I'm jaded enough where I need a girl to sweep me off my feet, instead of the other way around. That being said, it's very hard to find a girl that's strong in the Lord AND is attractive AND close to me, beyond online dating through christianchat.com lol. Things are far easier said than done hun :)
Ooh, nice save, lol.

So, what you're saying is, you're tired of chasing after girls, and you want one who will chase after you? Well, DABEARS, I'd chase after you, but I'm a slow runner and you'd probably outrun me. :D Lol.

Maybe the reason why you do not have the desire to pursue a woman right now is because God is working on your heart. As you said, you've been hurt in your past relationships, and experienced a lot of things you wish you hadn't. Maybe you have no interest in pursuing a relationship right now because God wants you instead to focus on who He wants you to become. Several of these periods of time occur in our lives, where God further molds and shapes us.

I can't really offer much advice, because I have always had the opposite problem. No one has ever seemed interested. I have to laugh, because people always inquire as to why I'm not dating, and I even had a patient at work yesterday, an old man in his 80's, tell me that he didn't mean to waste my time (I was in the middle of doing some tests for the doctor), but he told me I was a lovely young lady and he couldn't help but notice that I wasn't wearing a ring, and wondered why I wasn't married. I wanted to tell him, "Your guess is as good as mine!" lol, but instead I just told him that it must not be God's timing for me to be married yet, and I was sincere when I said it. I don't know what God's plans are for me, but in the mean time I am doing my best to keep an open mind and trying to grow in the areas in which He is stretching and maturing me.

For all you know, you've already met that woman who will be perfect for you, but you're just not at the point where you're ready to pursue a relationship. I can definitely understand your frustration with mind games and being fake. This is one of the reasons why I'd rather get to know a guy as a friend first. There's no pretense, and they are comfortable being themselves, flaws and all, instead of being focused on putting on an act to win your heart, before THEN showing their true colors. True love does exist, I've seen it. It may just be a while longer before the right woman comes along.

Dang, I hate being one of the "average" looking ones. So much more pressure to have an amazing personality... Lol, just kidding! ;)
 
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DABEARS85

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I think I need to stop posting stuff.

I get:
So... I have a... July 18th, 2010 04:11 AM Tastless and full of ego :(



negative rep points for being honest. I didn't realize I was being tasteless or full of ego... but... well I appreciate the feedback everyone! I'll stop posting things like this I guess. :(
 
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DABEARS85

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DABEARS85;346579 Also said:
Of course you do. I was expecting you would. I have read many of the things you have written on the forums, so I had a decent idea of the type of response I would get from you by posting my thoughts.

Best to you in your future relationships.[/color]
Well, perhaps I am wrong, but I guess I don't always see it that way :) Thus is human nature! Well, I am not perfect in any sense of the word... I was just saying... my last relationship is what I was thinking of... and I didn't do wrong there. She just did a lot of shady things, and it messed up my head a lil bit.

As far as reasons why other relationships have ended? Sure, I'm sure I've done things wrong. My last one though? I won't blame myself for that. I'm sorry if you disagree. It isn't ego talking... it's just me being honest with how I view things. Perhaps you see differently though, and I respect though... although you also have no idea what went on :)
 
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DABEARS85

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I'm sorry if any of this is offensive or patronising.
It isn't at all. Don't worry! I think... as you have said... being single isn't a bad thing, I'm just not exactly wanting of it either. I agree that perhaps I'm the same as a lot of men on this site, but also not. You may be right with the whole "dependancy" thing, although it's not like I've never been single before. I just don't see myself as getting any younger either, and I don't know if years of being single will help. I do understand exactly what you are saying though, because after a few years of being single, I won't be jaded anymore!
 
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DABEARS85

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My Opinion

Good points about your post: You said pop tarts.


It seems your standards are unattainable. That No girl is good enough for you. In your current mindset, i dont believe any woman should be pursing you or dating you. You said in one post you would not change how you are. What woman wants a man totally unwilling to change anything about himself. Relationships are all about compromising. Not, Sorry this is how i am either get over it or get out.

Sometimes being brutally honest is not a good thing, it can hurt people. At the end of your first post you said, Don't be to harsh, but if i was brutally honest about how i felt about your post, i would probably come across as harsh, but because i want to be considerate of you and how you feel about this subject, i want to word my self in such a way that its respectful. You said in your second post, You say exactly what's on your mind, yet again you say, don't be too harsh. Why give brutal honesty and saying exactly whats on your mind, when you cannot yourself receive it?

Some fakeness as you call it is needed. Sometimes its necessary to protect someones feelings. I'll take being fake any day over just spouting off exactly whats on my mind, and potentially really hurting someone i care about.
I think... being brutally honest and not being harsh, can be in the same context. Maybe I'm not coming across exactly how I mean it. I am honest, but in a nice way. I am brutal.. meaning I'll say exactly what the truth may be... but I can say it in a nicer way as well.

Point being, you were being honest with how you viewed my post, which was in a pretty negative light, but then again, you were being less than harsh about it. You didn't sugarcoat it, but you also didn't blatently go on a rampage full of mean things either. See the difference?

If a girl asks me "do I look fat in this dress" for instance, perhaps I will say "you look beautiful" instead of saying "your butt looks big" lol. I wouldn't be lying, but I'm also not being harsh. I'm just saying what I think is the truth. Her looking fat in the dress or not wouldn't correlate at all with whether I thought she was beautiful or not, but essentially that was what her question was. She wanted to know if she looked good or not, and I told her she did. She simply asked it in a way that revolves around a negative form, being "do I look FAT", when she could have just said "hun, do you think I look beautiful?"

Get my point? :)