Why are you all leading young singles astray saying God will provide, so just wait?

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DABEARS85

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I can't stand that you people are leading young men and women astray in your teachings. It's wrong, plain and simple. God answers prayer, and He CAN give you a perfect spouse, but He will NOT just let them magically fall into your lag. There is no magical genie in a bottle. You ALWAYS have to work for God before God will work for you.

EVERYONE in the bible had to do something before God would do something for them. Abram/Abraham had to leave Ur before God would work in his life. Moses had to go to Pharaoh himself before God would work through him. Jacob had to work 7 years, then 7 more years, before God would give him Rachel. Matter of fact, Jacob had to WRESTLE with God to gain His blessing. GOD ONLY GIVES YOU WHAT YOU WORK FOR! You reap ONLY what you sow!

If you want a husband or a wife, you have to go out and meet people. You need to be proactive. You have to find that person yourself. God may well find you someone that is right for you, but if you sit at home and never talk to anyone, how do you expect to find that person? If you never go on a date with anyone when they ask, how do you expect to find a husband? Do you think someone will ask you to marry them out of the blue, when you refused to go on a date with them? Think about it. Life is common sense. This is the life God created. God works naturally through His own creation, and very rarely does He go against it. If life makes you meet someone before you marry them, then why would God go against that and have someone randomly appear out of thin air as your spouse? Does that make sense in the natural laws of nature? If not, then why do you preach it?

Some of you really need to look deep inside of yourselves before you claim "faith" is the only thing you need in certain situations. Faith isn't just a blind thing where you sit on your hands. Faith is a proactive thing. You have Faith by going out and doing what you pray for. You have Faith by believing God will provide, and you going out and sowing your seeds to gain the harvest. God will always provide, but do you think He will just provide when you refused to sow any seeds? Will He give a farmer crops without that farmer planting anything? NO!

The more I see all of you say "I've never dated, I refuse to date, God will provide me a husband, I will not date anyone", the more I realize how messed up this generation of the world is. Everyone feels all this self entitlement and thinking they are special. Everyone thinks God will give you miracles instead of you actually going out and getting it yourself. Everyone thinks God works through magic. It just isn't the case. God expects you to plant the seeds before He gives you the harvest. Everyone in the bible had to work for God's miracles. They all had to get off their butts and go out and do God's will. God helped them, but they still did the actions. That is what God requires of you, and to deny that is denying scripture.

So, I'm going to say this one more time. STOP preaching that God will just miraculously give you a husband/wife while you refuse to go out and be proactive with meeting people and dating. To me, you are being false preachers, and being wolves in sheep's clothing by saying the opposite. The bible is your best evidence to prove what I'm saying. Everyone in the bible had to do SOMETHING before God would provide them with miracles. EVERYONE.

I'm sorry if this sounds like a rant, but I feel strongly about this. I'm so tired of all the self entitlement and the refusal to go out and be proactive with your faith. God does not approve of lazy people.

2 Thessalonians 3:10 (New International Version)

10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."




The same applies to dating/relationships/marriage.
 
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Blueberry

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#2
As a woman, I find this directive a little harder, than say a man. Women aren't meant to be the ones out there pursuing men. Ive been there, done that and made such a fool out of myself. I have learnt a bit of wisdom now, lol. Its frustrating if you like a guy, but you dont want to mess it up and be obvious about it either. I think in general, if a guy really likes a girl he will make the first move. Then you of course have the very shy guys who sit in fear and wont do it, or have absolutely no idea how to relate to women. So you see it puts us in a bind!
 
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give me one reason the woman cant also pursue a gy that isnt based on some outdated idea of gender roles or chivalry...
 
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lil-rush

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#4
I don't think people have to proactively date in order to find their spouse. Yes, a person needs to make friends and get out in the world in order to meet people if they intend to one day marry. This does not mean a person has to date every person that asks, or date every person they are attracted to.
 
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seetheunseen

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#5
Yes you can not except God to hand you anything but in my daily life I honour God and worship him and when I find the right person I will be blessed with it. I do not stay bottled up in my own home but I do not go out seeking a guy either like someone previously stated I did that and it was so wrong I was embarrassed in the end so was the guy. I am not waiting for mr. right to fall into my lap but I know he is out there and when it is in Gods time we will both find each other.
 
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Schwager

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give me one reason the woman cant also pursue a gy that isnt based on some outdated idea of gender roles or chivalry...
I doubt youll get a response on that one haha!

But in general I must say this...
I agree with what you are saying and I am at fault here. I have said to many God will provide but I always said it in the context you were telling us not to. Though this not what I believe. I am a very open person and will talk to just about anyone and some of the most beautiful people I have met have been some of the most unattractive. I 100% agree with what you are saying here! Get out do something, live your life for God and he will provide.
 
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abbulous

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#7
Well DaBear,

I would have to say that I disagree on your principle...which is basically the theory that God helps those that help themself. But see, that is not proven biblically! If anything God wants us to be patient and wait on HIM instead of just relying on ourselves.

I'm waiting for God to guide me and I am totally at peace with that.

To some point though, I do understand what you are saying though... But I find it is when people try to find their own spouse that they do go astray.
 

jangel

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It’s ok to date, but everyone should be responsible also even in dating. You shouldn’t be someone who’s like a menu in a buffet thing open to everyone. Dating is not all about fun, through this you’ll get to know the person well but of course you have your instinct if this person is worth dating for, you have to consider you’re investing time for that, but if you’re someone who has all the time in this world , then go and date everyone even you can’t see yourself, even a single chance to be with in that person.
 
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DABEARS85

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#9
Well DaBear,

I would have to say that I disagree on your principle...which is basically the theory that God helps those that help themself. But see, that is not proven biblically! If anything God wants us to be patient and wait on HIM instead of just relying on ourselves.

I'm waiting for God to guide me and I am totally at peace with that.

To some point though, I do understand what you are saying though... But I find it is when people try to find their own spouse that they do go astray.
The thing is, everyone expects God to just hand them things. People misinterpret what faith really is. Faith isn't something that you just sit on your hands and wait. God expects you to go out and act on your faith. If you have prayed to meet someone right for you, God will provide that, but acting on that faith is exactly what I believe you should be doing. Go out and meet that person God will provide! To not do that is saying "ok God, I am praying, but I don't trust you enough to provide for me, so I'm going to sit here until my spouse slaps me in the face and tells me to wake up!" It's wrong in my eyes.

My point is that everyone seems to refuse to ACT on their faith, and it's such a messed up philosophy. It's really self centered and shows all this self entitlement that past generations never had. They prayed, they had faith, but they also acted on their faith. They went out and did what they prayed for! God doesn't hand out lottery tickets. God expects everyone to plan their seeds before he will give them a harvest. You reap what you sow.

Is it really going on your own agenda and doing things on your own against God to go out and meet people? Is that denying your faith in God to provide for you? I don't think it is. I view it as acting on your faith, believing that God will have you meet the RIGHT person. Everyone in the bible, every single person that God worked in their lives, God always demanded they did some type of action for it. God always told them to do something.

When Jesus healed the blind man, he didn't just say "you can now see." He didn't do that. He had the blind man put mud on his face, then wash it off, and THEN the blind man could see. It was a small action, but it was an act of ACTING on his faith, nonetheless. The blind man ACTED on his faith, and Jesus healed him for it. Jesus didn't NEED him to put mud on his face to heal him. Jesus could have just said "you can see" at that very second, and it would've been done. Jesus didn't do that for a reason. He made the man ACT on his faith. THAT is my whole point! You need ACTION if you expect God to work in your life. Anything else is selling yourself short with self entitlement that nobody else in previous generations, let alone ancient biblical times, had. God can do anything, but He always expects you to act on your faith before He works in your life.

You don't have to listen to me, but I feel very strongly about all of this. If you refuse to listen, so be it, but you should read scripture. It backs up my claims quite a bit, compared to your own.
 
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DEZI

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#10
Hi there im new to this chat room, just want let you guys know that i strongly agree with your statements!!!!God Bless.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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#11
im still waiting............. and waitng............. and waiting aaaaaaaand waaaaaaaiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for god to provide
 
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jan7700

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#12
hi i'm new to the site i love your comments janine...
 
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sportygirl

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#13
I agree with this argument on some level. Faith is stepping out, and is active not passive. But there is a certain amount of patience involved. Dating for the sake of dating and because your searching for a husband or a wife is not necessarily right. I made this mistake twice. He was christian I was single I wanted to "date" for the sake of dating, instead of waiting on someone who I was truely interested in and had a friendship with before dating. I wasnt patient I took timing into my own hands, and in alot of ways paid the price, even though it was a learning lesson. And because of that you do have to make those mistaks for yourself to learn from them. I do say there is a certain amount of waiting and prayer and patience, but yes sometimes you have to step off the cliff and trust taht God will catch you (figuratively speaking, not literally).
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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#14
I can't stand that you people are leading young men and women astray in your teachings. It's wrong, plain and simple. God answers prayer, and He CAN give you a perfect spouse, but He will NOT just let them magically fall into your lag. There is no magical genie in a bottle. You ALWAYS have to work for God before God will work for you.

EVERYONE in the bible had to do something before God would do something for them. Abram/Abraham had to leave Ur before God would work in his life. Moses had to go to Pharaoh himself before God would work through him. Jacob had to work 7 years, then 7 more years, before God would give him Rachel. Matter of fact, Jacob had to WRESTLE with God to gain His blessing. GOD ONLY GIVES YOU WHAT YOU WORK FOR! You reap ONLY what you sow!

If you want a husband or a wife, you have to go out and meet people. You need to be proactive. You have to find that person yourself. God may well find you someone that is right for you, but if you sit at home and never talk to anyone, how do you expect to find that person? If you never go on a date with anyone when they ask, how do you expect to find a husband? Do you think someone will ask you to marry them out of the blue, when you refused to go on a date with them? Think about it. Life is common sense. This is the life God created. God works naturally through His own creation, and very rarely does He go against it. If life makes you meet someone before you marry them, then why would God go against that and have someone randomly appear out of thin air as your spouse? Does that make sense in the natural laws of nature? If not, then why do you preach it?

Some of you really need to look deep inside of yourselves before you claim "faith" is the only thing you need in certain situations. Faith isn't just a blind thing where you sit on your hands. Faith is a proactive thing. You have Faith by going out and doing what you pray for. You have Faith by believing God will provide, and you going out and sowing your seeds to gain the harvest. God will always provide, but do you think He will just provide when you refused to sow any seeds? Will He give a farmer crops without that farmer planting anything? NO!

The more I see all of you say "I've never dated, I refuse to date, God will provide me a husband, I will not date anyone", the more I realize how messed up this generation of the world is. Everyone feels all this self entitlement and thinking they are special. Everyone thinks God will give you miracles instead of you actually going out and getting it yourself. Everyone thinks God works through magic. It just isn't the case. God expects you to plant the seeds before He gives you the harvest. Everyone in the bible had to work for God's miracles. They all had to get off their butts and go out and do God's will. God helped them, but they still did the actions. That is what God requires of you, and to deny that is denying scripture.

So, I'm going to say this one more time. STOP preaching that God will just miraculously give you a husband/wife while you refuse to go out and be proactive with meeting people and dating. To me, you are being false preachers, and being wolves in sheep's clothing by saying the opposite. The bible is your best evidence to prove what I'm saying. Everyone in the bible had to do SOMETHING before God would provide them with miracles. EVERYONE.

I'm sorry if this sounds like a rant, but I feel strongly about this. I'm so tired of all the self entitlement and the refusal to go out and be proactive with your faith. God does not approve of lazy people.

2 Thessalonians 3:10 (New International Version)

10For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."

The same applies to dating/relationships/marriage.
There is folklore in the church brother and in my observations over the decades you are exactly right. I think the particular logic that 'if you don't build it they will come' arose as Christians saw the scriptural teaching and need to be chaste and focused on Christ.

There certainly is wisdom in taking time to work on yourself and develop your relationship with God; however, that is no substitute for developing Godly healthy relationships with other Christians including those of the opposite sex. Well stated.
 

sweetnshy

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What if you've put yourself out there, done everything in your power to meet/date someone, and just can't find anyone who likes you? Isn't it possible that God is keeping you single for a reason?
 
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HI

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#16
What if you've put yourself out there, done everything in your power to meet/date someone, and just can't find anyone who likes you? Isn't it possible that God is keeping you single for a reason?
Maybe now that YOU have done everything in your power, God will show His power? But then again, wouldnt that go against the "do it yourself" idea we have going on in here? I'm not saying it's a bad idea. It's great to know God wants you to do something, but like in everything there must be a balance because just as there are examples of people having to fight or struggle or take action to receive one of God's promises, there are example of people going for the promise without relying on Him, for example that battle the Israelites lost in the beginning of their nation because they thought they could beat the enemy themselves, or Moses striking the rock a bit too much, or was it Eli's or Elijah's servant? who went after the captain and took some gifts for curing him of leprosy, at the end he got the leprosy. It's a double sided coin, and you must be close to God to know what side you should be on.
 
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FireWire

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give me one reason the woman cant also pursue a gy that isnt based on some outdated idea of gender roles or chivalry...
More like based on ancient man who lived in caves going out and hunting for food so somehow that relates to hunting for women too.
 
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Lalilo

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#18
If I've learned one thing from the past ( being able to say that is the best think about being middled aged) When I seek as a neady person I do not find because I seek in the darkness and in the darkness lust can cloud your judgment. When I follow my heart and walk in gods light he brings me what I need. If I need a spouse I will have one. Isn't your spouse suppose to be your best friend. Then the first step I believe is to make alot of true friends with strong bonds of love.
 

DinoDillinger

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Jul 28, 2009
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The just shall live by faith. Does faith lead to action? Sometimes. Does faith lead to waiting? Sometimes.

I would say it involves both.

Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. You see that in action, when God told Abraham to leave his home, he believed God and left. He believed God was good, and he believed God would lead him in the right way, and he believed God knew what he was talking about.
 

sweetnshy

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Sep 10, 2003
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Most of the married people I know met their spouses when they WEREN'T looking for someone, and most of the people I know who go out trying to meet someone are still single. I think the whole "God will provide" philosophy doesn't mean you sit in your room all day and He'll drop someone in your lap, but I do think it means that if you just live your life, He'll bring the right people into it and open the right doors.