Christian marriage and divorce.

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phil36

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Why are so many Christians divorcing, I mean both partners claiming to be Christian? It seems to be the one of the important question of our day.

Is it that we live by cultural morals rather than biblical ones? What can the church do about this? Is it because men arent acting like men, or ladies acting like ladies (biblically)? Or, are we lazy and are not willing to work hard at a relationship in it's varying stages?

Anyhow, I heard a wise saying once:

The couple who pray together stay together;
the couple that eats together sleeps together.
 

Liamson

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Ladies Gossip Circles.

A sense of material entitlement.

Emotional Relationship Passivity.

Adultery.

I don't really know. I've never been married.
 
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Like you said, cultural morals are changing. Its because marriage is now portrayed more of an "in love" relationship. It is seen as socially acceptable, and when people fall out of love or feel like they're not happy with the relationship and not easily fixed, the get a divorce. It the old days when divorce was unheard of, there was a lot of arranged marriage where people excepted you to "learn to love," so it didn't really matter.
 
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BLINDSIDE_CHIK

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I think they both aren't married for the same reasons or beliefs. I think they don't actually discuss what they believe a lot of the time either. They just think just cause they feel in love, are believe sort of around the same things that it's fine. The man should be biblically stronger than the woman. However, I don't think that's the case a lot of the time. I also don't think they are willing to work on problems they have and one or the other believes they are right all the time, and won't accept when they are wrong and willing to learn from their mistakes. I also think that christian men and women aren't willing to work hard enough through problems...sometimes I think that the men or women still want to do their own things after a while. If they were true Christians, and actually based their marriage on what God says from the beginning through the end, and worked through it based Christian strategy, they would know how to work through their issues and they wouldn't be divorcing. God hates divorce.
 
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Both being christian does not make for a better marriage, necessarily. The divorce rate of christians (I've heard) is even HIGHER than non-christians.

It is important as the bible specifically says to be 'equally yoked,' I think that people can think, 'Oh, she's a christian' Or, 'Ooh, he's a christian. This is going to be FANTASTIC!! '

Once in that mindset....it is hard to see through the reality that you are WAY at different points in your walk with God. Or, your beliefts within christianity are different, like one person's Presbyterian and one person's Pentecostal, which are two COMPLETELY opposite ways to worship the Lord.

My best advice, pray to God for the one that is right for you, like Phil36 said, and, then don't go into thinking that just because a guy is a christian that he is right for you. The christian divorce rate is even higher, as I said above, from what I heard somewhere sometime ago. So, that should be a real eye-opener there for you. And, if you are in this kind of relationship now, my best advice from a human standpoint: take off those rose-colored glasses .
 
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Jullianna

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Adultery, falling in love with love/having a wedding and not with the person, immaturity, settling for the wrong person just because they were lonely, the need for instant gratification, selfishness, poor financial management skills and irresponsibility seem to be the reasons for most divorces I've seen, and in my line of work I see about 3-4 on a daily basis.
 
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violakat

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Why are so many Christians divorcing, I mean both partners claiming to be Christian? It seems to be the one of the important question of our day.

Is it that we live by cultural morals rather than biblical ones? What can the church do about this? Is it because men arent acting like men, or ladies acting like ladies (biblically)? Or, are we lazy and are not willing to work hard at a relationship in it's varying stages?

Anyhow, I heard a wise saying once:

The couple who pray together stay together;
the couple that eats together sleeps together.
I would say, from what I've seen, that it's a mixture of everything said above. First, men and women are often not top by the Church or by their parents what their roles should be in a marriage. Also, both at times, want to be in control of everything, and not realize that only one can be the leader. (There is a reason the game is called follow the leader, no leaders.) Then we have a society that pulls on us, telling us that we need to be more this or more that, or else we can not be a complete person; that if we don't live our lives a certain way, meet certain standards, than we are a complete failure. Finally, we live in a society that is all about the here and now. Many students do not have to suffer consequences in school, and give up. Given this mode of method, when challenged in a marriage, it's easy to say, I give up. Marriage has become a fast food commodity. One other thing you didn't mention is that sometimes families are literally trying to tear couples apart. I know of one, where the family hates their daughter-n-law, and have encouraged the man to divorce her. From the start, they have chosen to hate her, and not try to know her, where she has made several advances to bridge the gap between them.

The only way out of this is to have people humble themselves before God and seek His face. Churches and families need to rise up and mentor new couples, as well as support them through prayer and encouragement. When someone comes to them seeking advice, instead of saying right away, "Oh, your so right, you poor thing", they should help them look at it from a different perspective, the spouses. People need to realize that a marriage is a life long covenant with God, not a commitment that can be broken at the first sign that someone hurts you (If they are abusing you, however that is a different story. I think you need to find help as fast as possible, in this situation.) As Christians, we need to realize that we can not run away from every problem. Sooner or later they will catch up to you.
 
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IQ

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Have you checked out the movie Fireproof? They have a little book called 'The Love Challenge'. I was not a Christian when I married or when I divorced. neither was my husband. What do I know?
 

phil36

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Have you checked out the movie Fireproof? They have a little book called 'The Love Challenge'. I was not a Christian when I married or when I divorced. neither was my husband. What do I know?

Yeah IQ, its a very good film. I think everyone should see it atleast once, married or not. an excellent film although not a big bduget affair is 'Pamelas prayer' my prayer is that all teens are shown this.. whether or not they agree with it, i am sure it will have a positve effect.
 

phil36

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I would say, from what I've seen, that it's a mixture of everything said above. First, men and women are often not top by the Church or by their parents what their roles should be in a marriage. Also, both at times, want to be in control of everything, and not realize that only one can be the leader. (There is a reason the game is called follow the leader, no leaders.) Then we have a society that pulls on us, telling us that we need to be more this or more that, or else we can not be a complete person; that if we don't live our lives a certain way, meet certain standards, than we are a complete failure. Finally, we live in a society that is all about the here and now. Many students do not have to suffer consequences in school, and give up. Given this mode of method, when challenged in a marriage, it's easy to say, I give up. Marriage has become a fast food commodity. One other thing you didn't mention is that sometimes families are literally trying to tear couples apart. I know of one, where the family hates their daughter-n-law, and have encouraged the man to divorce her. From the start, they have chosen to hate her, and not try to know her, where she has made several advances to bridge the gap between them.

The only way out of this is to have people humble themselves before God and seek His face. Churches and families need to rise up and mentor new couples, as well as support them through prayer and encouragement. When someone comes to them seeking advice, instead of saying right away, "Oh, your so right, you poor thing", they should help them look at it from a different perspective, the spouses. People need to realize that a marriage is a life long covenant with God, not a commitment that can be broken at the first sign that someone hurts you (If they are abusing you, however that is a different story. I think you need to find help as fast as possible, in this situation.) As Christians, we need to realize that we can not run away from every problem. Sooner or later they will catch up to you.
Hi violaKat,

What you have said is very true.. especially that amrriage is covenantal. its being steadfast in love like God is to us, even when we sin. I think this is where men really need to start manning up and start being men.. starting with 'renewing their minds' and having the mind of Christ'.
 
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kayem77

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I would say, from what I've seen, that it's a mixture of everything said above. First, men and women are often not top by the Church or by their parents what their roles should be in a marriage. Also, both at times, want to be in control of everything, and not realize that only one can be the leader. (There is a reason the game is called follow the leader, no leaders.) Then we have a society that pulls on us, telling us that we need to be more this or more that, or else we can not be a complete person; that if we don't live our lives a certain way, meet certain standards, than we are a complete failure. Finally, we live in a society that is all about the here and now. Many students do not have to suffer consequences in school, and give up. Given this mode of method, when challenged in a marriage, it's easy to say, I give up. Marriage has become a fast food commodity. One other thing you didn't mention is that sometimes families are literally trying to tear couples apart. I know of one, where the family hates their daughter-n-law, and have encouraged the man to divorce her. From the start, they have chosen to hate her, and not try to know her, where she has made several advances to bridge the gap between them.

The only way out of this is to have people humble themselves before God and seek His face. Churches and families need to rise up and mentor new couples, as well as support them through prayer and encouragement. When someone comes to them seeking advice, instead of saying right away, "Oh, your so right, you poor thing", they should help them look at it from a different perspective, the spouses. People need to realize that a marriage is a life long covenant with God, not a commitment that can be broken at the first sign that someone hurts you (If they are abusing you, however that is a different story. I think you need to find help as fast as possible, in this situation.) As Christians, we need to realize that we can not run away from every problem. Sooner or later they will catch up to you.

I so agree with everything you said.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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Why are so many Christians divorcing, I mean both partners claiming to be Christian? It seems to be the one of the important question of our day.

Is it that we live by cultural morals rather than biblical ones? What can the church do about this? Is it because men arent acting like men, or ladies acting like ladies (biblically)? Or, are we lazy and are not willing to work hard at a relationship in it's varying stages?

Anyhow, I heard a wise saying once:

The couple who pray together stay together;
the couple that eats together sleeps together.


Christians get a divorce for the same reason Non christians get divorced. Christians are not immune to marriage troubles.

Marriage is hard, marriage is a lot of work.
Men and women both wanna depend on these ''feeeeelings'' they have for each other. They FEEEEL like there in love, then as soon as this feeling is gone. The marriage a lot of times is over with.
Or as soon as things start to get tough, one of them wants to bail out.
I find these two scenario's particularly heinous when children are involved.

Sometimes you just gotta suck it up, and do what you gotta do to make it work even when you dont feel like it. Your not always gonna feel love for your spouse, your not always gonna be happy. One thing i think people forget a lot is, Marriage is not about you, its not about your spouse either. It's all about Christ.



I do believe that divorce sometimes is necessary. As in one is having an affair and wont stop, physical abuse, child abuse, things of that nature.
 

phil36

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I definately agree with the points NodMyHeadLikeYeah has put forward.


So what are everyones thoughts on the old saying I quoted.

The couple who pray together stay together;
the couple that eats together sleeps together.

Would the idea behind this help a marriage stay strong?
 
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IQ

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I checked out 'Pamela's prayer' - excellent message:)
 
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allforfun

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I definately agree with the points NodMyHeadLikeYeah has put forward.


So what are everyones thoughts on the old saying I quoted.

The couple who pray together stay together;
the couple that eats together sleeps together.

Would the idea behind this help a marriage stay strong?

Many people have to know how to pray by themselves first. There is something about having a private prayer closet and I am very picky about the picky I bring in there. I don't know about a spouse fits in that.

I don't know about the eating thing. I could care less about sleeping with my partner every night. If he can put up with my insomnia, up and down ways, go for it. But it isn't the end all be all to marriage.

The problem with cliches is that they overgeneralize a situation down and if it doesn't fit in that box, it looks wrong. Life doesn't fit in a box.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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I definately agree with the points NodMyHeadLikeYeah has put forward.


So what are everyones thoughts on the old saying I quoted.

The couple who pray together stay together;
the couple that eats together sleeps together.

Would the idea behind this help a marriage stay strong?

You and your spouse can pray together everyday but if neither of you are putting fourth the effort to make the marriage work, aint gonna make no difference.

Eat together and sleep together, im not sure what those two even have to do with each other.
 

phil36

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You and your spouse can pray together everyday but if neither of you are putting fourth the effort to make the marriage work, aint gonna make no difference.

Eat together and sleep together, im not sure what those two even have to do with each other.

I think we can all agree prayer is important, and we all need our own (singualr) time with God. But it is important for a couple to also pray as a couple.

The effort to make the marriage work I think is related to the 'eat together, sleep together' motif... what it means is that a couple working together, will eat together..sleep together. as in stay together.

I don't think the saying is a guide book, but more of a guiding principle. thats what i took from it. Theres no one formula that will work for everyone, But, one thing is for sure a couple who don't:

pray together or eat together won't stay together, if that makes any sense?
 
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allforfun

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I think we can all agree prayer is important, and we all need our own (singualr) time with God. But it is important for a couple to also pray as a couple.

The effort to make the marriage work I think is related to the 'eat together, sleep together' motif... what it means is that a couple working together, will eat together..sleep together. as in stay together.

I don't think the saying is a guide book, but more of a guiding principle. thats what i took from it. Theres no one formula that will work for everyone, But, one thing is for sure a couple who don't:

pray together or eat together won't stay together, if that makes any sense?
I think you can say that about prayer but the eating thing has me so baffled. I don't like eating with people. So he will leave me if I don't want to eat with him?

The reasons of me being alone come clear more and more every time I post.
 

phil36

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I think you can say that about prayer but the eating thing has me so baffled. I don't like eating with people. So he will leave me if I don't want to eat with him?

The reasons of me being alone come clear more and more every time I post.

lol ... No I don't think that is the gist of the message behind it. Theya ren't in a literal sense.

eat together sleep together, is more about working together to stay together.
 
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allforfun

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lol ... No I don't think that is the gist of the message behind it. Theya ren't in a literal sense.

eat together sleep together, is more about working together to stay together.

Then I stand by my original statement, cliches are dumb.