Kids?

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Single women: Kids?

  • Have kids

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • Must have kids to be fulfilled

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Indifferent

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Definitely no kids

    Votes: 4 80.0%

  • Total voters
    5
Feb 1, 2007
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#1
Maybe its been done here before, but I didn't feel like scouring the 1900+ threads for it, so...

How many single women here have kids, want to have kids, feel that you must have kids in order to be fulfilled as a woman? Are there any who do not want to have kids? It is apparent that the maternity thing is built in to women, and as a man who does not want kids, I have found it surpassingly difficult to find any single christian women who truly don't want kids. I feel that even pursuing a relationship with any woman that does want kids would be wasting her time, so I don't...and no, this poll is not some attempt to find a date. Comments, insight, etc?
 
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Sarah88

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#2
If I get married someday I would definitely want to have kids. It's not something I want to make me feel fulfilled. I just think that a family is not complete without them. They are adorable and a blessing from God :)
 
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Possum

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#3
I feel fairly confident that God's plan for me is to be a mother. I don't know when it's going to happen or if they'll even be my own (I may adopt eventually) but yes, I cannot imagine a future for me without children. Thanks for asking :)
 
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Catlynn

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#4
Well.....I have one.....so yeah. Love kids! Always wanted to be a mom. :)

May I ask why you don't want children? Just curious.
 
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Jullianna

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#5
I have a son in college. Not sure I want more at this point in my life. I think I'd rather wait and be a gramma someday. :)
 

seoulsearch

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I believe we all have different callings and that they are all equally important before God. Unfortunately, I think this is often forgotten.

When I was younger, yes, I very much wanted to have kids--since I'm adopted, I hoped to have some by birth and some by adoption. But after going through some very rough long-term relationships and a heart-wrenching divorce I did not want (he fell in love with someone else), this just my own PERSONAL opinion--certainly not an absolute--I have come to my own personal conclusion that if I decided to have children, I MUST consider the possibility of raising them alone. It's not what I would want, but I would always have this fear of being left behind, this time with children depending on me.

I also spent three years in a relationship with an alcoholic and wound up becoming a single mother to his children, in many ways. He was usually so inebriated that he forgot to feed them, passed out without caring for their basic needs, left them in dangerous situations, etc. This experience REALLY opened my eyes as to how hard being a parent, and especially a single parent, really is. At one point, I was under so much stress that I actually considered taking the father to court and trying to adopt the kids myself.

At 25, I really wanted kids. Seeing as I will soon be 38, I no longer feel this is in God's plan. Yes, I know... Everyone tells me about Sarah and Abraham, as if I didn't know that story, but as I said, God has different plans for different people. For one thing, Sarah had a husband and more than adequate financial means to care for children, whereas for myself, it would definitely be a struggle. Yes, I know, the good Christians say, "God will provide!" but I believe one must look at a situation from a practical standpoint as well. God calls us to trust Him but we also need to have wisdom, use discernment, and face our own shortcomings, of which, I have plenty.

It does make me sad, but for various personal reasons, I no longer feel children are the path God wants me to take. I seem to make a better support person to my friends who already have children.

Electric, you just go where God is leading you and if people criticize you, well, your calling is between you and God--it doesn't depend on what others believe they are called to do and think you should do. I have been called selfish, faithless, etc. for my views but in the end, it all rests on what God calls me to do. I admire you for being honest in your search--nothing is worse than someone claiming to want the same things as another person just to land them... and then showing their true colors after the wedding!!

I know wonderful Christian couples who have not had their own children but are endearing and even crucial role models and support networks to others' kids, which may be the very thing God has called them to do instead of having their own.
 
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There are several reasons why I don't want to have children. Possibly the most fundamental of them stems from my world view: This sin-cursed world is truly a terrible place in which I am a foreigner. My citizenship is in Heaven and my greatest hope and desire is to go home and meet my Savior in person. Even God Himself said that every inclination of man's heart is evil from childhood. So although I doubt any of you will fully understand, I believe that for me to have kids would be bordering on cruelty. I wouldn't want to bring any lives into this torment that I see everyday, everywhere.
Furthermore, like Seoulsearch mentioned, I have many shortcomings, one of which is the ability to provide a stable environment suitable for raising children, financially and otherwise.
Most people that hear that I don't want kids think that I just don't like them, which is far from true. I believe that kids can be some of the best teachers of how to live and for those that really want to and are willing to devote their entire life to properly raising them, they can be the greatest source of joy in this world. Too often, however, people are selfish in their reasons for wanting kids. They have kids in an attempt to provide themselves with purpose or to feel needed, or to "fix their marriage", or as my parents always told me, to change the channel on the television. In many cultures, kids are social security and retirement plans. You have kids so that when you are old, you will have someone to take care of you. In this culture, people have kids in many cases in order to get a bigger welfare check from uncle sam. The selfish reasons go on forever and I have found that few people have kids for completely selfless reasons.
Anyway, I'm starting to ramble so I'll stop and listen now. Thanks for the comments and keep them coming.
 
Feb 10, 2008
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I couldn't hope to change your world view, but I would like to point out some problems I see with it, especially as it pertains to having kids:

Even God Himself said that every inclination of man's heart is evil from childhood.
I only know of a few places where the Bible says anything to this affect:
Genesis 6:5 (shortly before Noah and the flood) and Psalm 51 later in Psalm 58.

God cleansed the world after the first, so it doesn't seem applicable. The third, though kind of pointing towards predestination, merely states that the wicked are wicked from birth. The second then seems to be the mostly likely reference you were making. However the phrase immediately after "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me" is: "Yet you desired faithfulness even in the womb; you taught me wisdom in that secret place" So, to jump to your world view requires an interpretation of this passage that seems like a stretch for me.
1) it requires that when David says "surely I was..." he is actually saying "surely everyone is..."
2) it assumes that there is no hope for a child, and yet as David states immediately after, God was already teaching him while in the womb.

My citizenship is in Heaven and my greatest hope and desire is to go home and meet my Savior in person.
Would you be able to have the hope or desire if you weren't born? God desires man, he created us and gave us the ability to continue creating more to love Him, for him to love. What if God said "Oh man, Adam and Eve are just going to screw up once I create them. I don't want them to have to deal with the world, I don't want them to have to screw up; maybe I shouldn't create them."

The selfish reasons go on forever and I have found that few people have kids for completely selfless reasons.
The problem with claiming selfishness in others is that "selfishness" is a reason for doing things. Few people really understand the reasons for the things they do, and it's nearly impossible to understand someone else's reasons. Even if they tell you, it's often the case that what they say isn't actually the reason.

My final point is quite simple. God has a plan for every person, born or unborn. We can choose to fight God's plan, but it is far easier and more beneficial to all involved if we constantly seek God's plan. How many girls have you pushed away because of their desire to have children? Were you actively seeking God's desire before doing so?

I don't know God's plan for your life, heck I don't even know God's plan for my life. However, I do know that when I say "God, I love you, but I don't want X, Y or Z, so you're going to have to plan things so I don't have to have/do X, Y, or Z", I am not trusting God, or loving him as much as I'd like to think.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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#9
I'm middle-aged and so do not plan on having any myself. Children are a blessing but you don't have to look far in this world to see that many people who have kids are not ready to properly execute their responsibilities regarding this blessing.

I wish reproductive capability didn't 'kick in' until a person matured to a certain point mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and physically rather than just physically but that's the way it is.
 
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Jullianna

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I was concerned that my post may have seemed as if I don't like kids. I most certainly do. :) But I've raised a stepson and a son of my own already. I don't see myself having more kids; but if I did, it would be beyond cool, especially if I finally got to buy some pink things. :)
 
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Catlynn

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I totally understand not wanting to bring a child into such a sin-wrought world. I'm fairly certain that that thought, along with "I don't have a stable environment or financial security for my baby!" were in my head 24/7 while I was pregnant. I had full blown plans to give her up for adoption until I was around 5 months pregnant and I started giving things over to God. It's funny, in our Christian circles we hear "give it to God" and "bring it to His feet" on such a regular basis that I think we become almost calloused to that idea. My life was a spiritual roller coaster until I let God show me how to LIVE those phrases. Almost every month after that God showed me something new that I needed to give Him control of and each month when I did He provided for another one of my needs. He has given me a job that I can take my daughter with me to, a family environment for us to live in, a secure home, a car, and all the necessities (and some luxuries) needed to care for a baby.
So, not to say that everyone SHOULD have kids...but for me personally, I don't feel that choice is really up to us. I think it's another one of those things that the control needs to be handed over to God, along with all of the emotions that go with it.
God will do what is absolutely the best for you, your future spouse and possible children. :)
Also, my baby's father had had a vasectomy AND we used protection and still I got pregnant! Soooo....if God wants you to have kids, you will. LoL
God bless!
 
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Lightning:

I'm glad that you don't hope to change my perspective, I wouldn't allow it anyway, but these aren't problems with my view. They are conclusions made from years of prayer, study, observation, and reflection. Let me expand a little:

For the first part, I was referring to shortly AFTER the flood while God was making His unconditional covenant with Noah that even though every inclination of man's heart is evil, He won't destroy the world by flood again. The flood did not cleanse the world of sin, only most sinners at the time, so the natural man is still evil and at enmity with God because of sin. The Christian man is not free from sin either. We are free from its power, but not yet free from its presence or its consequences. All of creation groans because of sin, and while the majority will refuse to acknowledge its existence, it does exist, and it effects me deeply. Having a soft heart and great compassion for humanity, it causes me great deal of grief.

As for your second point: this is, of course, a conundrum. I can't nor can any finite mind grasp non-existence from my own perspective. It doesn't pertain to my statements though, so it's moot. I'm not saying that I hope that I hadn't been born or that others (my parents included) shouldn't have had kids or shouldn't want kids, only that I don't want kids. Do you suppose someone that doesn't have any desire to have kids would make a good parent? Of course not! Most people that do want kids don't make good parents and certainly don't have kids for the purpose of glorifying God. Sure, some people should procreate the species. After all, God did tell some people to, but He did not command everyone to do so. I won't second guess God's choice to have created humankind even though He knew everything that would happen to it. He did create us. I am not God. I do not have
His infinite wisdom, patience, power, and grace.

There is no problem with claiming that others are selfish. It is a fact that all humans are selfish to some extent. Even in the case of unreciprocated goodwill, feeling good about doing something that might otherwise be selfless is in itself a benefit to which, even if we don't realize it consciously, we
strive, hence it becomes a selfish act. Our finite view of love is a good example, as is many people's real reason for having kids (whether they know it is insignificant).

Finally, God does have a plan for each of us, but it isn't the same for everyone. My lack of desire to have kids isn't fighting God's plan. Don't you suppose that it is God's plan for some of us to do other things with our lives than to raise children? I have pushed nobody away because of this issue, but I have
made my feelings on it clear in order to not waste anyone's time or cause any grief, like I said previously.

Thank you for your opinions on this issue. That is after all, what I asked for.
 
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Matthew

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This sin-cursed world is truly a terrible place in which I am a foreigner. My citizenship is in Heaven and my greatest hope and desire is to go home and meet my Savior in person. Even God Himself said that every inclination of man's heart is evil from childhood. So although I doubt any of you will fully understand, I believe that for me to have kids would be bordering on cruelty. I wouldn't want to bring any lives into this torment that I see everyday, everywhere.
So I know you wanted women's opinions, but here's mine anyway :)

I understand why you feel this way, I often wonder how I will get to that point, because I understand your feelings about the life you would be giving, and when I think about it I wonder if my heart will ever rule my head when it comes to children.
The world does make it an impossible case to argue, there are so many more reasons to not have kids than there are to have them.

But that belief has always met conflict with the idea that if good people, those who as you say have their citizenship in heaven do not bring children into the world who emerge from God's love and not the ways of this world than it will never improve, it will fall further away from how it ought to be.

Now while I don't believe that alone is a reason to have children it does give me cause to question what good I am to the world if I do not let my values and my beliefs given by God flow into the world, and one big way we do that is through our children.

I have always held 2 views on this, one day I feel exactly how you do, other days I can see nothing in my future but a beautiful family, children who will go on and spread faith and love through the world they know, when I feel like that, I don't watch the news.

I think I would love kids but only with the right person, I would have to be absolutely sure of my wife, so for now I focus on doing that right, and I'll think about kids if I make it to that point.
 
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Lightning:

I'm glad that you don't hope to change my perspective, I wouldn't allow it anyway, but these aren't problems with my view. They are conclusions made from years of prayer, study, observation, and reflection. Let me expand a little:

For the first part, I was referring to shortly AFTER the flood while God was making His unconditional covenant with Noah that even though every inclination of man's heart is evil, He won't destroy the world by flood again. The flood did not cleanse the world of sin, only most sinners at the time, so the natural man is still evil and at enmity with God because of sin. The Christian man is not free from sin either. We are free from its power, but not yet free from its presence or its consequences. All of creation groans because of sin, and while the majority will refuse to acknowledge its existence, it does exist, and it effects me deeply. Having a soft heart and great compassion for humanity, it causes me great deal of grief.
But even in such a world, God found Noah
Genesis 6:9 said:
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
I always understood Genesis 8:21 to mean that God wouldn't destroy man, even if man returned to the state they were in when God destroyed the world the first time. To me it seemed that God's purpose in destroying all humanity, except Noah (who was righteous) was to destroy all of those who's hearts were only evil continually. As I read it in more detail, I still can't completely discard this idea, but it does appear that God may have indeed been saying that even after the purge, man's heart was still evil from birth. I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by sin affecting you deeply, but I will concede this point.

As for your second point: this is, of course, a conundrum. I can't nor can any finite mind grasp non-existence from my own perspective. It doesn't pertain to my statements though, so it's moot. I'm not saying that I hope that I hadn't been born or that others (my parents included) shouldn't have had kids or shouldn't want kids, only that I don't want kids. Do you suppose someone that doesn't have any desire to have kids would make a good parent? Of course not! Most people that do want kids don't make good parents and certainly don't have kids for the purpose of glorifying God. Sure, some people should procreate the species. After all, God did tell some people to, but He did not command everyone to do so. I won't second guess God's choice to have created humankind even though He knew everything that would happen to it. He did create us. I am not God. I do not have
His infinite wisdom, patience, power, and grace.
I wasn't trying to imply that you were saying that you hoped that you hadn't been born. My point was that it seems to be God's will for people to have children. God has used many children, and people who were once children to accomplish His will.

In response to your question, I certainly do not think someone that doesn't desire to have children would be a good parent. This is exactly my issue, though. As you previously quoted, every inclination of man's heart is evil from birth. By focussing so intently on YOUR desire, it seems that you are closing the door on God's heavenly desire. If someone instead focused on God's desire, God promises to provide for them. As I stated in my first post, I don't know God's plan for your life. And I don't deny that there are some people who God plans to not have children.

There is no problem with claiming that others are selfish. It is a fact that all humans are selfish to some extent. Even in the case of unreciprocated goodwill, feeling good about doing something that might otherwise be selfless is in itself a benefit to which, even if we don't realize it consciously, we
strive, hence it becomes a selfish act. Our finite view of love is a good example, as is many people's real reason for having kids (whether they know it is insignificant).
It seems to me that you have now claimed that EVERY act is selfish, thereby making it completely insignificant that someone would have children for selfish reasons. Following your logic, people shouldn't do anything at all, because they are doing it for selfish reasons. Or rather, they should only do things that don't give them anything, not even a positive feeling. I can not subscribe to this idea.


Finally, God does have a plan for each of us, but it isn't the same for everyone. My lack of desire to have kids isn't fighting God's plan. Don't you suppose that it is God's plan for some of us to do other things with our lives than to raise children? I have pushed nobody away because of this issue, but I have
made my feelings on it clear in order to not waste anyone's time or cause any grief, like I said previously.
In my first post, I tried to make it clear that I am not claiming to know God's plan for your life. My issue is that it seems that you are not SEEKING God's desire. It seems that YOU desire not to have children. Could this desire be from God? Certainly, but from what you have explained, it seems much more likely that you are shutting God down. I hope you will consider this example.

Tom has grown up in a small town, dreaming of travelling the world. He is out visiting family for a week and is introduced to Jesus. He accepts Jesus into his heart. On his way home, he gets stuck in another town for a week. While there he meets a woman, this woman is a strong christian woman. They find that they are very compatible. As they continue talking, Tom shares his strong desire to travel the world. The woman explains that she looks around and see's so many unsaved people living nearby and her heart goes out to them. She couldn't possibly leave the area. Tom goes back home and for many years lives alone, now desiring a close friend or wife to help him share God with the people around him. His heartaches out of his loneliness

Say God desired for Tom to have a huge impact on this area of the world, and to do it with this woman. Tom's desire to travel the world has now pushed away this woman. If it's God's will, Tom can't avoid it, but perhaps if he had sought God's will in the first place, he could have avoided much heartache.

Biblically, I can think of two occasions (off the top of my head) where a similar situation has occurred. First, and most drastic, Jonah. God's will was clear in this case (it isn't always to us), and yet Jonah chose to follow his own desires. In the end God's will was done, but Jonah suffered much more than he would have if he had followed God's desire from the start. The second is with Balaam and his donkey(Numbers 22).

In conclusion, I still don't believe that I can change your world view, but not seeking God's will can lead to difficulties that are unnecessary; it's far better to discard personal desires in the search of God's desires. If you are completely confident that God desires you to not have children, then we are not at all opposed.
 
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ChristianVegan

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wow, im so surprised that so many women dont want to have kids