Would You Say, 'yes?' Is your faith strong enough to say 'YES!'

[SantoSubito]

Originally Posted by Ritter

Whether or not sainthood is something earned is clearly a theological debate. Unless I have an awful intuitive grasp of Catholic doctrine, it is believed that Sainthood is something earned. Not so in Protestant/Evangelical circles.

I wouldn't call it something earned. It's something gained by trust in God and fidelity to the commands of the Gospel. The only way to become a Saint is to live out your life with faith in God, love for God, and love for your fellow man.

[Ritter]

Originally Posted by SantoSubito

I wouldn't call it something earned. It's something gained by trust in God and fidelity to the commands of the Gospel. The only way to become a Saint is to live out your life with faith in God, love for God, and love for your fellow man.

Interesting. Glad I gave myself a bit of a back door.

[SantoSubito]

Originally Posted by Ritter

Interesting. Glad I gave myself a bit of a back door.

Also I must say that every time I see your profile picture it makes me want to read your posts in a British accent.

[violakat]

Originally Posted by SantoSubito

Also I must say that every time I see your profile picture it makes me want to read your posts in a British accent.

I always read it with a British accent.

Ritter, I have to agree with him, for some reason, it does make you look, somehow, British. Not sure if that's the Ivy League coming out of you, or something else.

[SantoSubito]

Originally Posted by violakat

I always read it with a British accent.

Ritter, I have to agree with him, for some reason, it does make you look, somehow, British. Not sure if that's the Ivy League coming out of you, or something else.

It's the wine. Down here the only time men drink wine is at church and the rest of the time it's liquor or beer. I was always told that wine is for Europeans, and that mantra is probably what's getting me to think he's British.

[GreenNnice]

Ritt's avatar doesn't surprise me. The bloke's mannerisms on here suggest Brit all the way. I don't always get nicks right of people, some people tell me they don't like them, very rarely, but, yeah, anyway, Ritter, to me, reminded me of a Brit from day one reading his posts and, hence, he became 'ritt' to me and will always be that, til death do us part, that is, until we then again meet in Heaven and really start to exchange political fodder like my belief that Ritt is one who will go his OWN WAY politically, or, even journalistically, even to the point of fabrication IF his cause for good (and God) is met over what is perceived RIGHT.

Ritt, have you seen that documentary on that New Republic magazine reporter young buck, Stephen Glass ?

He said 'yes' to doing what he felt was right in the face of the establishment that was saying 'no.'

I am that way too, I will have you know, so I am not picking on you, I will do God over man in the face of decision, I would pray that anyway, the Lord leads. Romans book good for this understanding .

Notice how I try to tie this in so aptly to my thread

[Jullianna]

Originally Posted by SantoSubito

It's not the only way to Sainthood. But it is the ultimate expression of faith and love of God, as Jesus says in John 15:13: "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Which is illuminated further in I John 3:16a:

"Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us"

Jesus laid down his life for us, Martyrdom is that in reverse. But how we get to heaven doesn't matter, all that matters is that we get there. Because in heaven all share the same table whether they be theologians, martyrs, poor, or rich.

Also this really isn't a theological debate about the tenants of faith of any denomination. I think we can all agree that dying for the faith is the ultimate sacrifice one can give

I read this a couple of times but see no scripture setting out that there is any other way to sainthood other than thru Jesus Christ, but, again..that's another thread.

I do agree that it is the ultimate sacrifice and pray with Seeking that all who are called to it will stand.

[Jullianna]

Originally Posted by Ritter

Whether or not sainthood is something earned is clearly a theological debate. Unless I have an awful intuitive grasp of Catholic doctrine, it is believed that Sainthood is something earned. Not so in Protestant/Evangelical circles.

I agree that it is another topic entirely that is scripturally debatable. I make it a practice to be respectful of other denominations, though I may strongly disagree with some things, as I truly believe God has people in other denominations. My sole concern is something being stated as fact without scriptural support where it might be read by very new christians when a topic as serious as life and death is discussed. People are far more impressionable and reactionary than most people realize.

[GreenNnice]

Originally Posted by Jullianna

I agree that it is another topic entirely that is scripturally debatable. I make it a practice to be respectful of other denominations, though I may strongly disagree with some things, as I truly believe God has people in other denominations. My sole concern is something being stated as fact without scriptural support where it might be read by very new christians when a topic as serious as life and death is discussed. People are far more impressionable and reactionary than most people realize.

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This is true....What we say should be said with kid gloves because there are so many people that come onto christian chat and debate among christians over faith is something that can turn them off....

Bottom line: We believe in the same God and in the same Jesus !! Amen !!!

We HAVE seen God change things in our lives, undoubtably, undeniably, unmistakably, and, unquestionably, it WAS He!!! And it IS He today who we live for. And, it will be He who we live for forevermore, not just on Earth but in Heaven. Praise God!!!

Praise the Holy of Holies, The One with the name that SETS THE CAPTIVES FREE, the greatest of all names on ALL the Earth. Our Saviour, our wonderful counselor, mighty God, Holy One, Emmanuel, OUR King of Glory and our Prince Of Peace. Thank you, Jesus. Nothing will get in my way of serving YOU, bringing glory to you in my everyday doings, simply or complicatedly, as you lead me !! I will not stray NO!!! . I LOVE YOU !!! I will follow YOU. YES! YES !! YES !!!

[SantoSubito]

Originally Posted by Jullianna

I read this a couple of times but see no scripture setting out that there is any other way to sainthood other than thru Jesus Christ, but, again..that's another thread.

I do agree that it is the ultimate sacrifice and pray with Seeking that all who are called to it will stand.

You're completely missing my point. Christ is what enables a Saint to become a Saint in all circumstances, without Christ there is no Saints, simple as that.