Would You Say, 'yes?' Is your faith strong enough to say 'YES!'

[GreenNnice]

I was looking at Piddy Witkinstein (in my avatar), the cutest of ALL the cute girls in the world and I was thinking of what Cassie Bernall died for, and, another student's zing! message to me now...

So the story goes of this 1999 school day at this suburban Colorado high school, Cassie was shot by Eric Klebold, one of the Columbine two 15-year-old student killers, because she was praying to herself, but outloud, in the Columbine library.
This is one account. It was originally thought to be this exchange:

Cassie is praying to herself intently underneath a table with a classmate, and, Klebold suddenly shows up and says to Cassie:

Klebold: Do you believe in God?
Cassie: yes.
Klebold shot her dead then.

But after investigators talked to more witnesses in the library, including the classmate underneath the table with Cassie in the library when she was shot, it was learned that Cassie never did the first-thought martyr exchange with Klebold.

So, what happened?

Other witnesses in the library, the vast majority, said that another student, Valerie Schnuur, actually was the one asked if she believed in God as she was lying wounded in the library from earlier spot-fire from the killers, hit '15' times too, lying there . Alive.

Just being alive is astounding to me , that many bullets in you and YOU should be dead. But Shnuur was alive and quite alive as she was seeing Klebold point a gun over her and she exclaiming, 'Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Don't let me die.'

Eric klebold then asked Schnuur: Do you believe in God?

Valerie Schnuur: Yes.

Klebold: Why?

Schnuur: Because I believe and my parents raised me that way.'

Bang! Klebold blew Shnuur to pieces!!!

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Sounds right, doesn't it? Logical.

Bernal , moments earlier, was praying to God in the library, audibly being heard by other students before Klebold singled her out in a back corner and esposo over and kills her. Her classmate was one of the 'majority' who said Bernal was praying to herself when Klebold ducked under the table and said 'peek-a-boo' and shot Bernal but not Emily Wyant beside her.

THEN, opposite side of library, Schnuur professed her faith and....LIVED! (No, Schnuur didn't die. I lied for emphasis . To make this story more real to you the intent

Schnuur, investigators now say, was the REAL One who said 'yes' when Klebold said 'Do you believe in God?' with gun pointing at her bloodied and bulletted body.
God allowed ONE GIRL to die for praying outloud her faith and ONE GIRL to live for screaming her reside not to die and subsequent profession of faith .
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So, green, what is the point of this thread?

I don't truly know. Forgive me if this thread is too weird for you. Hopefully, if nothing else, you can tell my favorite shows are mystery ones, like House, Bones, CSI, and, real mystery show Dateline. I don't like 48 hours, they NEVER solve their mysteries !
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Ok, let this finish up, both 'girl' incidents happened one after the other and I believe both showed the power of God. God glorified himself through this horrible event that included a 200,000 bestseller on Columbine from Cassie's mom that would be written a short time later.

Like 911, some things just happen, God allowed Job's children to be KILLED by Satan (Job 1: 18-19).

So, accounts are many, Job and 911 are well known. God does allow bad things to happen.

What would you do IF something bad was about to happen to you?

Like Schnuur, would you say 'yes.'

Have you had any situatuons in your life where it was a matter of life or death and your faith in God YOU tríptico believe carried you through?

[machita]

It's really inspiring to know the stories of ppl died in faith..... i want to be like them!!!

[Liz01]

I have never been in a life or death situation because of my faith but i have lived many situations in which i am the only one christian in the place and some funny things have happened to me one of them is this :
In a job i was almost 4 years ago, i was the only christian, they wanted to celebrate the halloween but i didnt want to go, so they started to ask me why and i explained to them, but the parties in that company are named "Organizational Health" so when i told them i didnt want to go, my boss started to pushing me to go to the hallowwen, then many ppl started to make jokes about christian ppl (my boss too) and i had to talk to many managers and directors to explain them the reason of why i didnt want to go to a halloween.
Despite some ppl kept laughing and making jokes about christianity and God, most of the ppl there calmed down but after some months, someone started to steal my things and one day when i arrived to my job i found a white circle (made with something that seemed to be flour) rounding my desk and the place where i used to work. Im not scared about those kind of things but i didnt like that. Well, there were only other 2 ppl that believed in God when i worked there and they found white cirlcles of flour around their desks, so bosses finally decided to investigate and founded out who did that.

It wasnt hard for me to tell that im christian at that job, God made me strong to made me stand there telling the truth about my faith but to be honest, i didnt like the things that happened to me there.

[Jullianna]

I have put my life on the line countless times for other people. Why? Because I KNOW I belong to Him and what He has in store for my eternity. So, absolutely...YES...without hesitation I would do it for my King. Death has no claim on the children of God.

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Im not trying to be rude green, but when you tell stories like these in "your' kinda way, you know the way you tell things. I seriously cant unerstand them, it sounds really interesting, but its to confusing for me to really understand.

Would you mind re telling it to where i can understand??

[zeroturbulence]

Originally Posted by NodMyHeadLikeYeah

Im not trying to be rude green, but when you tell stories like these in "your' kinda way, you know the way you tell things. I seriously cant unerstand them, it sounds really interesting, but its to confusing for me to really understand.

Would you mind re telling it to where i can understand??

I know Ed's not easy to decipher, Nod. No offense, Ed! Here's basically what he said:

He said that Cassie Bernall is not really the one who professed to believing in God by saying "yes" when asked by the killer just before he shot her dead. That is what everyone thinks, but according to Ed's information, witnesses who were there said that the girl who really said "yes" to God was Valerie Schnuur who was lying on the floor already shot 15 times from the killers' previous rampage. Klebold asked her why she believed and she said "Because I believe and my parents raised me that way", then he shot her again, but SHE SURVIVED. According to Ed's info, Cassie Bernall was heard praying out loud across the room and the killer simply ducked under the desk, said "peek-a-boo" and shot her dead.

[GreenNnice]

Originally Posted by machita

It's really inspiring to know the stories of ppl died in faith..... i want to be like them!!!

Yes, machy. Be.

Originally Posted by Liz01

I have never been in a life or death situation because of my faith but i have lived many situations in which i am the only one christian in the place and some funny things have happened to me one of them is this :
In a job i was almost 4 years ago, i was the only christian, they wanted to celebrate the halloween but i didnt want to go, so they started to ask me why and i explained to them, but the parties in that company are named "Organizational Health" so when i told them i didnt want to go, my boss started to pushing me to go to the hallowwen, then many ppl started to make jokes about christian ppl (my boss too) and i had to talk to many managers and directors to explain them the reason of why i didnt want to go to a halloween.
Despite some ppl kept laughing and making jokes about christianity and God, most of the ppl there calmed down but after some months, someone started to steal my things and one day when i arrived to my job i found a white circle (made with something that seemed to be flour) rounding my desk and the place where i used to work. Im not scared about those kind of things but i didnt like that. Well, there were only other 2 ppl that believed in God when i worked there and they found white cirlcles of flour around their desks, so bosses finally decided to investigate and founded out who did that.

It wasnt hard for me to tell that im christian at that job, God made me strong to made me stand there telling the truth about my faith but to be honest, i didnt like the things that happened to me there.

Yes, lizzietheone, way to be strong, four years in that environment, God brought you through it , for a purpose surely too, or, I think, 'purposes,' and, in this case, purposes=people.

Originally Posted by Jullianna

I have put my life on the line countless times for other people. Why? Because I KNOW I belong to Him and what He has in store for my eternity. So, absolutely...YES...without hesitation I would do it for my King. Death has no claim on the children of God.

Yes, julieannie, surely you have
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To everyone: This is not an easy thread to read , it truly CAN put your ultimate loyalty to God--life or death--at risk....

Be careful, don't let the Enemy make you feel guilty if you can't come on here and say 'yes.' It is fine to say 'no,' too. Remember, God looks at our heart (Samuel 16:7) and, WHO was it that denied Jesus not once, not twice,but THRICE! THREE times!

Who?

Peter. THE disciple that loved Jesus sooo much on Earth, a big-brother love. How much fo you love your big brother, guys? Or, big sister , girls ?

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So, HEY, don't feel bad for even ONE second if you can't say 'yes' if someone is pointing a semi-automatic at your head, asking you, 'Do you believe in God?'

One one thousa-----
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Stop . Just enjoy your blessed life with God.

Would I say 'yes?'. I think so. I have not been in that situation ever TRULY to this point in my life. I have taken some stands like when I put a butcher knife (blade pointed inward) on my heart in front of a guy living with me when I was 30. He was with a psychosis and I was constantly challenged but felt purely the blood of Christ protecting me throughout that 6 months.

I think my whole purpose of the thread is more preach than post. And, I find out too through researching that Cassie Bernall likely did not say the now infamous phrase. But the whole Columbine ZINGED me because not ONE but TWO people in that library were praying.

This might seem outlandish to say but those two teenage boys meant to kill how many people?

'Everyone,' an investigator said.

Everyone?
Yes, every one.

Bombs were the primary means of this diabolical hatched plan by these two boys, Klebold and Harris, bombs were rigged on the supports of the high school's 2nd floor library which if they had gone off would have brought the library crumbling down on top of the cafeteria, killing everyone in the cafeteria.
FBI said then the two planned on picking off escapers trying to flee the school.

Diabolic!

So, how many would 'everyone' be, green?

FBI investigators said Klebold and Harris planned the bombing and shooting rampage for more than a year. And, from what the FBI said, it can be gathered this was a school with a LARGE count.

They planned on killing "THOUSANDS," FBI said.

Thousands.



And, out of everyone in the school, these boys armed with a lot of ammo (remember, Schnuur alone had 15 bullet holes in her) killed how many?

13 .

I almost think God was saying something, no, I think he was. 13 killed ONLY. And, of all the other sprayed bullets, coming from what must have been MANY guns on each boy, 24 for were injured. The strangest part of the whole story to me is the girl hit from 15 bullets, lying in the library, alive, able then still to answer the question....

Do you believe in God?

Yes.
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Yes, yes, YES!

Say YES to God, I hope and pray I would in such a situation as this. Like the Apostles, as though Peter denied Jesus as someone he knew as Jesus was becoming martyred, Peter along with the other apostles ALL died martyr deaths for who, for what? When? Why? How?

Yes, yes, yes, yes..... they all died many ways, beheadings, etc., for the cause of Christ (Read Acts).

. Life is valuable to us but God's purpose for it, you never know, like for Cassie Bernall and Valerie Scnuur, could be for such a time, like Esther, as this Columbine.

For such a time as this, Esther put her life on the line to save her people.
And what did she say, when asked if she knew what she was getting hersekf into?

If I perish I perish!

Our

God

REIGNS !

------ bbbbbbEee TO OUR God ! Forever and EVER!!!!!! --------


God bless you ALL .

[GreenNnice]

Originally Posted by NodMyHeadLikeYeah

Im not trying to be rude green, but when you tell stories like these in "your' kinda way, you know the way you tell things. I seriously cant unerstand them, it sounds really interesting, but its to confusing for me to really understand.

Would you mind re telling it to where i can understand??

Awww, thanks, Nods, yes, I am confusing, let me know if you need more summation.

Originally Posted by zeroturbulence

I know Ed's not easy to decipher, Nod. No offense, Ed! Here's basically what he said:

He said that Cassie Bernall is not really the one who professed to believing in God by saying "yes" when asked by the killer just before he shot her dead. That is what everyone thinks, but according to Ed's information, witnesses who were there said that the girl who really said "yes" to God was Valerie Schnuur who was lying on the floor already shot 15 times from the killers' previous rampage. Klebold asked her why she believed and she said "Because I believe and my parents raised me that way", then he shot her again, but SHE SURVIVED. According to Ed's info, Cassie Bernall was heard praying out loud across the room and the killer simply ducked under the desk, said "peek-a-boo" and shot her dead.

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Yes, Zere, perfect, but for the part where Klebold shot Schnuur after answering him. But I was confusing in my telling of story. Bad green brains. Bad, bad, bad

The sequence was like this:

Klebold came into the Columbine library, and, it is thought since Cassie Bernall was praying out loud to herself, 'Dear Lord. Dear Lord. Why is this happening?' that Klebold singled her out and went to the back of the library and looked underneath the desk that Bernall and fellow student, Emily Wyant, were huddled.
Klebold looked under the desk, said, 'peek-a-boo' and shot Bernall in the head, dead.

After this, Klebold walked over to another part of the room where a girl was lying with 15 bullets in her, still alive, quité conscious. Klebold then asked Schnuur a couple questions:

Klebold: Do you believe in God?
Schnuur: Yes.

(Originally, Nods, people thought Bernall had this exchange above. But FBI investigators questioned students in library and one boy said he heard Bernall say the 'yes' to klebold's Q, 'do you believe in God?'. But, the rest when asked who that exchange was between, said it was between Klebold and someone else, pointing their fingers in the direction of Scnuur.) In fact, even Wyant, underneath table with Bernall, said the 'Do you believe in God' and 'yes' exchange never happened with Klebold and Bernall.

The conversation exchange didn't end there either for Schnuur and Klebold, according to student witnesss in library.

Klebold: Why?
Schnuur: Because I believe and my parents raised me that way.

Klebold turned away with the gun that had been aimed at Schnuur and ran out of the library. Schnuur suffered many bullet wounds, 15 ! , from what I gathered was due to sporadic semi-automatic gunfire, but she lived.

These are my main points, Nods:

1. Klebold and Harris planned this event for more than year yet on the day of the rampage only 13 killed out of what I believe was a suburban Colorado high school with 2000-3000 students.
FBI investigators said that Klebold & Harris had planned mass destruction, including bombs planted to bring down the 2nd floor library on the ground floor cafeteria during lunchtime when a lot of kids would have been eating lunch. Then they planned to pick off panicked kids trying to get out of the school.
Amazing to me is that Schnuur had 15 bullets in her, two more than the total number killed.

2. Don't worry about it if you say 'no' to the poll question. Peter denied knowing Jesus THREE times when people asked if Peter knew Jesus as Jesus became scorned, thorned, and, public enemy no.1 . Believe in God in your heart is all that matters and ETERNITY is yours. John 3:16 and Sam.16:7)

3. God may have you put into a Columbine situation so try to have your faith ready to potentially save THOUSANDS. If you remember, 911 did a lot of damage but more was supposed to be done, 4th plane crashed into a Pennsylvania cornfield, thanks to Todd Beamer and passengers staging fight with muslim extremists . God allows bad things to happen but I truly believe God stopped Satan's hand with that 4th plane supposed to crash into the White House many predicted. In Columbine, I think Bernall and Schnuur's acts, especially Schnuur, caused Satan to grimace and God to intervene.

THOUSANDS. 13. A miracle to me of our Saviour. That is for you to believe how you want to believe.
But all I know is I believe God did great things that day, stopping Satan as he went on a rampage, using Klebold and Harris, willing minions of a deathly act.

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God bless, try your best, to let the Lord ALWAYS lead your life

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Originally Posted by zeroturbulence

I know Ed's not easy to decipher, Nod. No offense, Ed! Here's basically what he said:

He said that Cassie Bernall is not really the one who professed to believing in God by saying "yes" when asked by the killer just before he shot her dead. That is what everyone thinks, but according to Ed's information, witnesses who were there said that the girl who really said "yes" to God was Valerie Schnuur who was lying on the floor already shot 15 times from the killers' previous rampage. Klebold asked her why she believed and she said "Because I believe and my parents raised me that way", then he shot her again, but SHE SURVIVED. According to Ed's info, Cassie Bernall was heard praying out loud across the room and the killer simply ducked under the desk, said "peek-a-boo" and shot her dead.

Thaaaank you! Thats a lot better

[GreenNnice]

Originally Posted by NodMyHeadLikeYeah

Thaaaank you! Thats a lot better

Good óle, zere.

Your saviour, Nods

[Liz01]

I was remembering that there is a testimony of Pablo Olivares (a singer of rock) that was kidnapped and one day the man that had him put his arm on his head and asked him "Do you believe in God?" and Pablo said "yes" and then the kidnapper told him that if he had told him "no" he would had killed him and after that Pablo accepted Jesus as savior. I think it was cool, its on youtube (but i havent found the english version yet )

[Ritter]

Yes. People will say "you don't know until you are in that situation." A fair point.

But I think it is best to prepare oneself to make the more noble choice by saying they would.

[GreenNnice]

Originally Posted by Liz01

I was remembering that there is a testimony of Pablo Olivares (a singer of rock) that was kidnapped and one day the man that had him put his arm on his head and asked him "Do you believe in God?" and Pablo said "yes" and then the kidnapper told him that if he had told him "no" he would had killed him and after that Pablo accepted Jesus as savior. I think it was cool, its on youtube (but i havent found the english version yet )

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Amen, lizzytheone, God works in amazingly powerful ways. Pablo story is a neat parallel to Schnuur in Columbine as both Pablo and Schnuur said 'yes,' to killer asking if they believed in God. Both lived too.

God sees that kind of faith, and, changes the course of a coming horrible thing. Abraham had faith in God and Isaac was spared. Do you think Isaac would have been spared if Abraham had not raised the axe ready to come down and kill his son?

What could have been a killing of thousands (bomb going off underneath library, dropping it on cafeteria with hundreds of kids eating at lunchtime) was only 13. Sure, that is a lot but 911 was 1500 people dying in tower but many got OUT before Twin Towers collapsed. People say 2500+ could have died, but only 1500. That God's hand? You bet! Also, I think there was a lot of corruption on Wall Street in 2001 and stock market was close to all-time high. God showed his power over greed, not trying to jufldge, just my opinion.

I compare God's work in Columbine to Scrooge, again, not judging, just assimilating my take. I think God was upset with Columbine students, Klebold (or Harris) is considered an outcast by the students that count, that is, lizzietheone, the students that are popular. Klebold wanted to be popular but he was bullied and cast off from the cool kids.
I could be wrong here but I feel that there must have been a lot of students that rejected Klebold. Just my feelings, I can't comprehend that kind of hate toward others in your school unless they likely embarrassed klebold, ridiculed him.
Klebold does say in excerpts from his diary: 'I hate everyone and everything.'

Harris, the other killer, says in his journal entries, according to investigators, "I hate you people for leaving me out of so many fun things. And no don't … say, 'Well that's your fault,' because it isn't, you people had my phone #, and I asked and all, but no. No no no don't let the weird-looking Eric KID come along. '

In play, 'Scrooge,' it takes events to happen to Scrooge, seeing ghosts, marley ghost, and ghosts Christmas past, present, future.
I think God was seeing through Bernall and Schnuur change. I probably confusing you here, sorry, the Lord leads. Just saying. God saw good things from Schnuur and Bernall and it helped spare thousands, perhaps.
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Just horrible, but what Satan meant for horrble bad 'thousands' killed, God intervened with Bernall and Schnuur, I feel, to profess their faith to show good.

[GreenNnice]

Originally Posted by Ritter

Yes. People will say "you don't know until you are in that situation." A fair point.

But I think it is best to prepare oneself to make the more noble choice by saying they would.

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The Lord leads , Ritt. For the believer, it should be a decision that would embody your entire thinking of God in your life then and there, and HE IS ALWAYS THERE.

but, ultimately, IF I in that situation of life or death at the hands of a killer, I would listen for God, through the Holy Spirit. I think, like Stephen, in that utterly stark, pronounced moment of my life, you would hear from God. Either way, it is a choice of faith and saying 'yes' would be noble, and, depending on the situation, like Columbine, quite notable too.

God has his plans for EVERYTHING of our life, and, ultimately, saying 'yes' to what will probably be death at the expense of our faith would still have to be 'yes.' It should be that answer, I THINK, THE LORD LEADS, I would say what God wanted me to say, I know I would pray that happening, and, I would try to look up to Heaven and see God smiling , like Stephen in Acts 7:54-56. Stephen was bringing glory to God.

[keep_on_smiling]

I hope and pray that I would be able to say yes. I agree with Ritter, it doesn't hurt to prepare yourself for such situations.

My sisters and I have talked about the possibility of this taking place since we were little. We oddly always prepared for the worse in our lives. We basically came to the conclusion that we think that we could easily say yes when it's our lives in danger, it's when someone we loves life is in danger that it would be harder. It's nice knowing that my sisters are seeking God and I remember we made the promise to each other that if we were ever put into that situation that we would always choose God. It's funny now looking back on that, but it's oddly comforting to know where they stand.

Our God is a great God, there is no life without Him.

I have been asked many times by strangers if I believe in God, but never have I been in a dangerous situation. My cousin however, was in Arizona when this very large ('dangerous looking man' in his words) came up to him and asked him if he believed. He was scared to answer for the fact that they guy had 666 tattooed on his forehead and wasn't smiling when he asked. My cousin said yes and the guy praised God. You never know what saying 'yes' will result in, but being a child of God is a gift, why deny it?

[GreenNnice]

Originally Posted by keep_on_smiling

I hope and pray that I would be able to say yes. I agree with Ritter, it doesn't hurt to prepare yourself for such situations.

My sisters and I have talked about the possibility of this taking place since we were little. We oddly always prepared for the worse in our lives. We basically came to the conclusion that we think that we could easily say yes when it's our lives in danger, it's when someone we loves life is in danger that it would be harder. It's nice knowing that my sisters are seeking God and I remember we made the promise to each other that if we were ever put into that situation that we would always choose God. It's funny now looking back on that, but it's oddly comforting to know where they stand.

Our God is a great God, there is no life without Him.

I have been asked many times by strangers if I believe in God, but never have I been in a dangerous situation. My cousin however, was in Arizona when this very large ('dangerous looking man' in his words) came up to him and asked him if he believed. He was scared to answer for the fact that they guy had 666 tattooed on his forehead and wasn't smiling when he asked. My cousin said yes and the guy praised God. You never know what saying 'yes' will result in, but being a child of God is a gift, why deny it?

Justgrin, I agree with ritt, too, trying to prepare is good, it , in itself, can advance our faith , but.... I think we can prepare for certain things but I think that preparation for readiness of a life or death situation would depend on how strong a faith was had in God leading up to that moment and based on our personal relationship with God, how much we trust Him.
Didn't Jesus ask Peter a few times: Do you trust me , Peter?
Let me reiterate too: saying 'yes' or 'no' does NOT condemn you . God bases our salvation and eternal.life on ONE thing , one word, rather, and I will use one verse: John 3:16

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
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Believe. That is the ONLY prerequisite for life everlasting with God after we die. Sure, there is a lot to that word 'believe,' but just saying it is sooo easy to become a child of our King.

[Jullianna]

Originally Posted by Ritter

Yes. People will say "you don't know until you are in that situation." A fair point.

But I think it is best to prepare oneself to make the more noble choice by saying they would.

No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it. ~I Cor 10:13

Absolutely, Ritter. If this is a test that will come into our lives, God will faithfully prepare us for it.

[violakat]

I'm not sure if I would die or not for Christ, simply, because I have never been put into that situation. I'd like to say yes, that I would. I know that God would give me strength and faith to carry me through situations like that.

I think another question to ask is, Would you live for Him. It's not easy trying to live a Christian life. Yet we are called to do so.


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I'm also not voting, simply because I do not know what I would do in any situation.

[keep_on_smiling]

Originally Posted by violakat

I'm not sure if I would die or not for Christ, simply, because I have never been put into that situation. I'd like to say yes, that I would. I know that God would give me strength and faith to carry me through situations like that.

I think another question to ask is, Would you live for Him. It's not easy trying to live a Christian life. Yet we are called to do so.

What a wonderful question Violakat! One to truly think about.


Green: I do understand what you are saying, thanks for sharing God knows our hearts! Praise Him for that!

[JayHeart]

There are times in my earlier life where I would have said no... or at least contemplated it for a second. But there is no question now that I would say Yes.. Kind of refreshing to know that. Thanks for the question!