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I feel as though I have much to say and yet all I can do is keep nodding my head. It is very late and I must be off to bed. I will return and comment on this thread another time but for now I just want to say, YES! You can never have true happiness without true holiness. A good friend and evangelist, Winkie Pratney, has a whole series called Be Ye Holy that is phenomenal! He shares that true revival comes when holy living is being taught.
Thank you for sharing this article! God bless you and your friend!
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Thanks Catlynn. I knew that you would be one of the few people who would appreciate such an article which is one of the reasons why I posted it here as well as in the Bible Study forum. I figured this article would probably do more good in this forum than the other. A lot of believers today don't seem to understand how grace and holiness go hand in hand. Most churches today either lean heavily on grace or heavily on holiness with few actually understanding how grace actually inspires holiness. While the scriptures do indeed teach grace, they also teach that one person will enter into heaven without holiness. Most have been taught that holiness is a hypothetical state in the lives of a believer, that because of Christs righteousness you are holy when in truth your life proves otherwise. It's time that people begin to understand what a healthy view of holiness looks like.
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Thanks for sharing this, Crossfire.
I tried to read it last night, but I was too exhausted for anything to stick in my brain, so I saved it to read when I was awake. ![]() Holiness is indeed the continuing work God is performing in us by His Spirit as we submit to Him and allow Him to remove all uncleaness from our lives. The external/obvious ones are easy. It's the innermost parts of the hearts and our thought lives that are so difficult, especially when we try to do this on our own, as those with legalistic mindsets will do. This reminds me of an old song: "Well I guess I only fooled myself When I said I surrender all For in a little corner of my heart There was a kingdom that did not fall So I stand here now before His throne With my crumbled kingdom walls For if You're not Lord of EVERYTHING Then You're not Lord at all" The Lord never meant things to be so complicated, did He? We make things complicated when we won't let unclean things go. God bless you for your post!
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I said I belonged to you
but in a secret room I kept a secret list. I said anything thing for you anything but this anything but this He knew it all along He knew it very well He knew the more I covered up my heart The more I didn't know myself He knew the sturdy walls I hid behind were nothing but a prison cell ...I am not afraid anymore. I feel the wind of freedom like I never did before.
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I don't know about you guys but for me, the only thing worse than a blatant sinner is a complacent, apathetic Christian. It's too bad that much of the American church seems to me to be content with self gratifying, powerless Christianity.
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I'm making this comment before reading what others say. So hopefully, I'm not reiterating what others have said.
This article reminds me of the of something that James McDonald discussed in a series that he's done in the past, about the Awesomeness of God. Basically, he stated that as a society (the world), we have lost sight of the holiness of God. He mentions that in Isaiah, the Angels didn't just call God holy, but they kept calling Him Holy, three times. As if to really put an emphasis on His Holiness. ------ I think, to often we try and say God is all loving and all forgiving, that we forget that God is also Holy. And that because He is so Holy, sin can not be in the presence of God. It simply disintegrates. And that we cannot appear before a Holy God because of our sin. It's not until the Blood of Christ cleanses us from all our sin, that we can begin to approach God. And when we choose to sin, we allow our old self to take over. So when God says, "Be ye Holy as I am Holy," we must choose to obey God.
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What an awesome article! Re-reading it I found myself getting excited about the truth! It's crazy how such a huge chunk of the bible teaches holy living and yet so few actually believe it to be possible. Our entire lives come forth from the abundance of our hearts. What we do, say, think.....all of it comes from whatever state our heart is in. I believe that true holiness can only come from God doing a work in our hearts through His grace. Holiness involves a process of understanding (Light) something that God has shown us and conforming our lives to it. God is always giving us new things to understand, things to learn from and grow. The understanding is a process but the obedience (Love) should be immediate and complete. So often I think that those two things get confused. We feel that we should immediately understand things wholly and that it'll take our entire lives to complete the process of obedience or that we never can be obedient. We CAN be obedient to all that God has shown US to obey! God is infinite and therefore He is already completely holy but we are finite and therefore holiness will always be a process for us. But the condition of our heart is what God is looking at. God is love. God is holy. God is good. "Be holy as I am holy." He SAID it! And IN Him, through Him, with Him, by GRACE we can do all that He has shown us and told us to do. The empowerment is in His command. I've only recently began learning about church history. I want to look for patterns and remember what God has done. I've noticed, and heard from others, that any time in history that revival has broken out, Holy living was being taught. I thought that was pretty flippin cool, myself. ^_^ I feel as though, if we love (obey) Him, seek first His kingdom and focus all of our gifts on reaching the lost and loving on the widows and orphans of the world, instead of being so inwardly focused, that God will begin to do amazing things. Choose HIM and His will and His kingdom above all else and we will be an unstoppable, unshakable force in this world. ![]() How awesome a life lived in Christ truly is! Great post, Crossfire.
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Good article, IMHO. Grace certainly didn't come so that sin could abound. We should seek perfection because we want to please God.
A good wife wants to please her husband because she loves him, not because she's afraid that he'll leave her if she doesn't do enough to keep him happy. We should be the same way; our relationship with Christ is a sort of marriage. ![]() P.S. When I say seek perfection, I mean constantly examining our hearts for anything that we need to give up to Jesus. I do not mean to imply that good Christians are always perfect, just to clarify
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Snackersmommy , our relationship is a father to a son and a father to a daughter, we are ALL 'sons of God' , male and femaele. We are His sheep, we are to make sacrifices akin to 'the lamb of God' dying on the cross.
Romans 12:1-2. : I beseech you therefore brethrens, by the mercy of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy , acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Verse 2 goes on to say we should be transformed (life changed) by the renewing of our minds, and, to do this we must not conform (adopt) worldly ways in our life, materialism longing, needing to burn off my passions thru music with ill-fated, destroying words , movies with ungodly themes, etc. , and, I'm not judging, this IS scripture talking, just your hearing my green brains extract it all ![]() So, not conforming to the world brings transformation of ourself through cleaNsing our minds of filth and all things tearing us from God's ability to bring His holiness and, this brings us into and understanding to prove that what is good, and, we are WHam! into duh-doo-doo (little wham song there for you ) God's perfect FREEdom for our life to follow Him. And, isn't it interesting, and, all you seminary scholars will link this easy, but look WHAT word God uses for us to present our bodies as a living sacrifice that is acceptable to Him??? You know this song don't you . God is only wanting us on our knees, in complete reverence to Him, being holy, crying it too. Holy - Nichole Nordeman (HQ + Lyrics) - YouTube
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Awesome words guys & gals. It's very encouraging to see so many come to an agreement concerning a subject that is often times marred in controversy.
![]() What's really sad is that with all of the self proclaimed bible scholars who frequent the Bible Study Forums in order to exalt themselves and their beliefs, not a one commented would comment on the very same article when posted there. Apparently they either don't understand holiness or simply don't care.
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Hmmmm, crossfyre, let God be the judge of that. But, yes, it is extremely difficult to be holy and bible scholars , too, I can think might get tongue- tied. Sometimes I think my green tongue should be tied , and then other times it definitely should be knotted --+ Seriously, Though, it is. great goal for us to strive for all our lives , to live in God's perfect will , and, as Romans 12:1 says so true, to live that 'perfect will of God' for our life we must be holy. And , that is hard to understand, nicole n. sings of what God wants of us in life and this next song speaks of our dumbness in understanding what real holiness really is . Your post goes a long ways to helping people know Addison Road - What Do I Know Of Holy w/Lyrics - YouTube
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