Where are all the real men?

[Oncefallen]

A couple of things got me thinking today, one was a post Jullianna made here last night, the other was a video someone had played in chat that was on a similar subject.

The thought came to mind that the number of real men is diminishing rapidly in our society today. So many of the younger generation it seems end up growing up to being overgrown boys instead of men and even among my own generation there are a huge number of men who although they show male maturity, in some way they have been emasculated. I look at how society has changed over the years and to me it is no small wonder that this has happened, in many ways normal male behavior has become demonized even in the church. We go to church and hear about a meek and mild Jesus and see artwork that depicts him as a shepherd carrying a lamb, and completely miss His masculinity.

Let's take a look at His life and see what we're missing. It sure wasn't a wimp that stood up to the religious leaders of the day and called them out for what they were, an brood of vipers. It wasn't an emasculated man that drove the corrupt money changers out of the temple courts with a whip. No "girlie man" (loved that one Gov. Schwarzenneger) would have willingly suffered the pain and torment of scourging and crucifixion to save others when He could have simply disappeared. No one but a complete man could have inspired countless other men to go to their own deaths because of their faith in Him.

It's time for men once again to step up to the plate and be REAL men and quit whining about everything that isn't right in their lives. A real man doesn't objectify women by consuming porn. A real man doesn't belittle those around himself so he can stand out. A real man has compassion for the weak and hurting. A real man closes his mouth instead of lashing out in anger. A real man doesn't compromise his values because they aren't popular. A real man treats a woman like a lady, not an accessory. I could fill a page with the traits of a real man, but I think you get the point.

Want a Godly wife? Only a real man is going to catch her eye.

 

[timbo2computers]

"Real man" aye? next you will be saying woman are only good for cooking???

Over time cultures change guys are a bit prettier than they used to be and woman now have some of the worlds leading jobs.

Your post shows your age.. you want every one to follow an old model than no longer applys in this day and age.


p.s the term "Real man" doesn't appeal to teens any more... they want to grow up to be models, rock stars and race car drivers. the term Real man just sounds like some old dude chopping wood. NO ONE WANTS TO BE THAT.......

hope this gives you some insight on how us youngins think now days.

 

[RushBreeze]

"Real man" aye? next you will be saying woman are only good for cooking???

Over time cultures change guys are a bit prettier than they used to be and woman now have some of the worlds leading jobs.

Your post shows your age.. you want every one to follow an old model than no longer applys in this day and age.


p.s the term "Real man" doesn't appeal to teens any more... they want to grow up to be models, rock stars and race car drivers. the term Real man just sounds like some old dude chopping wood. NO ONE WANTS TO BE THAT.......

hope this gives you some insight on how us youngins think now days.

Wow.... You sound really angry about the post, when it seems like you missed the whole point.
I think Oncefallen gives a really good description of the man that Christ was that seems to get lost alot in the modern church. God is a no doubt a meek, loving and gentle shepherd, but we mustn't forgot that the shepherd also fights off the lions and bears to protect his flock.

The strength of Jesus is well established in scripture, he had no qualms about standing up and speaking out when need be. Which i feel is really the heart of the message. Maybe girlie man isn't the best way to have put it, but I dont see this as an old and archaic model at all, it would be nice to see more men stand up, and take the lead and be the men they are scripturally instructed to be, which doesn't age.

Not all men are called to be great shakers and movers, but they are all called to be strong and rooted in Christ and to not shy away when he calls us to stand up for him. We just need to be careful that the merciful, gentle and loving side of Christ doesn't get lost in a spiritual muscle show. Masculinity like meekness is not good in excess.

 

[Brandon777]

Please do list more things that a real man would do.

 

[Stephanie]

"Real man" aye? next you will be saying woman are only good for cooking???

Over time cultures change guys are a bit prettier than they used to be and woman now have some of the worlds leading jobs.

Your post shows your age.. you want every one to follow an old model than no longer applys in this day and age.


p.s the term "Real man" doesn't appeal to teens any more... they want to grow up to be models, rock stars and race car drivers. the term Real man just sounds like some old dude chopping wood. NO ONE WANTS TO BE THAT.......

hope this gives you some insight on how us youngins think now days.

That's dumb

 

[Stephanie]

A couple of things got me thinking today, one was a post Jullianna made here last night, the other was a video someone had played in chat that was on a similar subject.

The thought came to mind that the number of real men is diminishing rapidly in our society today. So many of the younger generation it seems end up growing up to being overgrown boys instead of men and even among my own generation there are a huge number of men who although they show male maturity, in some way they have been emasculated. I look at how society has changed over the years and to me it is no small wonder that this has happened, in many ways normal male behavior has become demonized even in the church. We go to church and hear about a meek and mild Jesus and see artwork that depicts him as a shepherd carrying a lamb, and completely miss His masculinity.

Let's take a look at His life and see what we're missing. It sure wasn't a wimp that stood up to the religious leaders of the day and called them out for what they were, an brood of vipers. It wasn't an emasculated man that drove the corrupt money changers out of the temple courts with a whip. No "girlie man" (loved that one Gov. Schwarzenneger) would have willingly suffered the pain and torment of scourging and crucifixion to save others when He could have simply disappeared. No one but a complete man could have inspired countless other men to go to their own deaths because of their faith in Him.

It's time for men once again to step up to the plate and be REAL men and quit whining about everything that isn't right in their lives. A real man doesn't objectify women by consuming porn. A real man doesn't belittle those around himself so he can stand out. A real man has compassion for the weak and hurting. A real man closes his mouth instead of lashing out in anger. A real man doesn't compromise his values because they aren't popular. A real man treats a woman like a lady, not an accessory. I could fill a page with the traits of a real man, but I think you get the point.

Want a Godly wife? Only a real man is going to catch her eye.

My thought on this is that men can't be men if ladies aren't ladies- and vise versa. We all just need to know how we were made and how we're supposed to compliment each other and work together. If women are trying to be men then where does that leave men? And if men won't be men then women will start taking on masculine roles. It's vicious cycle. The only thing that can be done is for you as an individual to act accordingly in your own life and when you have kids, teach them to do the same. There are real men out there, they're just harder to find.

 

[RushBreeze]

That's dumb

ha ha ha ha,
my thoughts your words!!

 

[zeroturbulence]

"Real man" aye? next you will be saying woman are only good for cooking???

Over time cultures change guys are a bit prettier than they used to be and woman now have some of the worlds leading jobs.

Your post shows your age.. you want every one to follow an old model than no longer applys in this day and age.


p.s the term "Real man" doesn't appeal to teens any more... they want to grow up to be models, rock stars and race car drivers. the term Real man just sounds like some old dude chopping wood. NO ONE WANTS TO BE THAT.......

hope this gives you some insight on how us youngins think now days.

If you take the emotional aspect out of this post, it actually makes some valid points about the way perceptions have changed regarding what a "real man" is supposed to be like.

 

[Jullianna]

"Real man" aye? next you will be saying woman are only good for cooking???

Over time cultures change guys are a bit prettier than they used to be and woman now have some of the worlds leading jobs.

Your post shows your age.. you want every one to follow an old model than no longer applys in this day and age.


p.s the term "Real man" doesn't appeal to teens any more... they want to grow up to be models, rock stars and race car drivers. the term Real man just sounds like some old dude chopping wood. NO ONE WANTS TO BE THAT.......

hope this gives you some insight on how us youngins think now days.

Doesn't sound like they want to grow up Maybe that's the problem.

Should we redefine everything just because people don't like it?

 

[Jullianna]

I agree with the lady who said that ladies need to be ladies if we expect men to be men. If we want to stomp on them and push them out of the way while they are trying to do what God has called them to, we are accountable for that. We need to remember that we ladies don't get it right every time either. We're all still learning. When we see guys wanting to learn what God wants them to do and be, we need to support them in their climb and vice versa.

Oncefallen isn't talking about men becoming brutes or bullies. That's not the model Christ gave. He's talking about becoming the leaders they've been called to be. A lot of the men in these forums get it and want it, and a lot of the ladies want them to.

 

[Braxton123]

The way that society today has become is a result of these so called "modern" times. People seem to not be aware that many have been brainwashed by these new technological innovations. These devices have completely molded people's natural thought processes in to becoming completely abnormal and bizarre. Things are changing so very rapidly and people don't seem to notice that they are being programmed by these new devices. People must truly open their eyes in order to see things clearly. So many however do not and just become another zombie of this age. I've had to be completely reprogrammed and I'm still a work in progress, I must have GOD in order to complete my transformation. There's so much that people don't realize, there is so very much deception all around. Now everyone tries to fit in to the standard of what this society views as normal, while this society has become molded by what this so called "modern" media forms. Things again I say are not what they seem "out there" in the world. There is so very much deception going on all around us, yet who can see this clearly? Those who are looking "out there" have believed much deception which is caused by much corruption. It's all ran on money "out there", which is the root of all the evil. It tells us in the Bible not to worship false idols, yet so many are doing this very thing and are not even aware. They are so very blind, GOD bless them so they see. Look at Hollywood, these celebrities, all the movie stars, the musicians that gain so much of what "they" call fame. Everyone who is focused on these things are not focused on the LORD! This is what so many seem to just not understand, they just seem to not get it. They have these false expectations of perfection of the flesh, and they try to set this false standards of living up to the celebrity status. All these so called new technologies could be used as good, yet they are in the wrong hands. People worship these people, so many want to be like them. Everyone "out there" is trying to be like everyone else of this world. They celebrate these people and not the LORD! Constantly focused on that false image that comes from those television or computer screens. Watching these "programs" on these devices, do just as the name says. It programs the people to act the way that they do, therefore this is the reason that the old standards are diminishing my friend. These shows that come through those corrupted networks such as Jerry Springer just for one example corrupts many minds into thinking it's okay to cheat if you're unhappy. Many of these so called blockbuster movies say that it's okay to do all of these disgusting acts that are being preformed, as well as a lot of music.They are all worried about fitting in, doing what everyone else is doing. They are trying to fit into society, they want to be a part of what society views as normal. Everything is connected "out there" to the fall, absolutely nothing happens by coincidence (no such thing); this is the reason that people have changed so much, both men and women. It is society as a whole, they just want to be "normal", yet it is not what it seems. I'm glad that I'm not "normal" in the views of this thing that the call society. Narrow is the gate to Heaven, and wide is the gate to hell. People need to truly open their eyes, things are not as they seem out there. I hope that this information was somewhat helpful to you, as well as everyone else that is reading. Talk to the MASTER, HE has a way of reprogramming minds to see things more clearly. I have so much more I can share if there's anyone interested. GOD BLESS YOU!

 

[LightningClap0002]

Although I agree with some of what has been said (and unlike Timbo, I do enjoy chopping wood ), the biblical support is weak at best.

Jesus drove thieves out of His home. For some reason I doubt that even a "girlie man" would welcome thieves into his home. Whether he is capable of driving them out, or not, is a physical thing. Or are you suggesting that men need to work out more so they can drive thieves out of their homes?

Jesus was able to die on the cross because of his supernaturality, not his humanity. He became human so his supernatural sacrifice would have the most meaning. For men, women, children, to love is to sacrifice.

Jesus inspired many because of his divine nature, because of His perfect love; not because he was so 'manly.'

In the end, if we use Jesus as the defniition of a "real" man, a real man and a real woman are really quite similar: A real man loves God and all others as best as he can. A real woman loves God and others as best as she can.

 

[zeroturbulence]

I think Jesus was a perfect model of a man without fear. He was not afraid to be humbled by his captors, but at the same time he was not afraid to humble evildoers. He was not afraid of public humiliation or ridicule, but he was also not afraid to visit the lepers and heal the sick. He could be gentle as a lamb or as bold as the stone which falls upon and crushes its enemies (Matthew 21:44).

I think a christian man should be the same way, but through no power of his own...only through the power and will of God the Father working through him as he tries to do his best to maintain an attitude of love and humility.

 

[Lucy68]

"Real man" aye? next you will be saying woman are only good for cooking???

Over time cultures change guys are a bit prettier than they used to be and woman now have some of the worlds leading jobs.

Your post shows your age.. you want every one to follow an old model than no longer applys in this day and age.


p.s the term "Real man" doesn't appeal to teens any more... they want to grow up to be models, rock stars and race car drivers. the term Real man just sounds like some old dude chopping wood. NO ONE WANTS TO BE THAT.......

hope this gives you some insight on how us youngins think now days.

Wow, I think he just proved Oncefallen's point

 

[LightningClap0002]

I think Jesus was a perfect model of a man without fear. He was not afraid to be humbled by his captors, but at the same time he was not afraid to humble evildoers. He was not afraid of public humiliation or ridicule, but he was also not afraid to visit the lepers and heal the sick. He could be gentle as a lamb or as bold as the stone which falls upon and crushes its enemies (Matthew 21:44).

I think a christian man should be the same way, but through no power of his own...only through the power and will of God the Father working through him as he tries to do his best to maintain an attitude of love and humility.

My point more was that Jesus should be equally a model of a woman without fear, or a 'real woman.' The attributes that Jesus demonstrated were universal attributes of love.

Though I agree that men should be men, this is strictly a cultural idea, not a religious one.

 

[Ritter]

"Real man" aye? next you will be saying woman are only good for cooking???

Over time cultures change guys are a bit prettier than they used to be and woman now have some of the worlds leading jobs.

Your post shows your age.. you want every one to follow an old model than no longer applys in this day and age.


p.s the term "Real man" doesn't appeal to teens any more... they want to grow up to be models, rock stars and race car drivers. the term Real man just sounds like some old dude chopping wood. NO ONE WANTS TO BE THAT.......

hope this gives you some insight on how us youngins think now days.

A real man doesn't compromise his values because they aren't popular.

Some parts of the "old model" will always apply because they have always and will forever be functional (with certain modifications and qualifications, of course).

You are correct in that changes in time mandate, well, certain changes. Sometimes the required changes are radically new ideas. At other times they were under our noses all along.

 

[MrHonest]

I think the only aspect that this"old model" needs from this "new model" is understanding how to communicate with it so that this new "man" isn't so scared of real Christian men.

 

[Crossfire]

A couple of things got me thinking today, one was a post Jullianna made here last night, the other was a video someone had played in chat that was on a similar subject.

The thought came to mind that the number of real men is diminishing rapidly in our society today. So many of the younger generation it seems end up growing up to being overgrown boys instead of men and even among my own generation there are a huge number of men who although they show male maturity, in some way they have been emasculated. I look at how society has changed over the years and to me it is no small wonder that this has happened, in many ways normal male behavior has become demonized even in the church. We go to church and hear about a meek and mild Jesus and see artwork that depicts him as a shepherd carrying a lamb, and completely miss His masculinity.

Let's take a look at His life and see what we're missing. It sure wasn't a wimp that stood up to the religious leaders of the day and called them out for what they were, an brood of vipers. It wasn't an emasculated man that drove the corrupt money changers out of the temple courts with a whip. No "girlie man" (loved that one Gov. Schwarzenneger) would have willingly suffered the pain and torment of scourging and crucifixion to save others when He could have simply disappeared. No one but a complete man could have inspired countless other men to go to their own deaths because of their faith in Him.

It's time for men once again to step up to the plate and be REAL men and quit whining about everything that isn't right in their lives. A real man doesn't objectify women by consuming porn. A real man doesn't belittle those around himself so he can stand out. A real man has compassion for the weak and hurting. A real man closes his mouth instead of lashing out in anger. A real man doesn't compromise his values because they aren't popular. A real man treats a woman like a lady, not an accessory. I could fill a page with the traits of a real man, but I think you get the point.

Want a Godly wife? Only a real man is going to catch her eye.

I am firm believer that real men aren't born, they're made. The reason why we see so few real men today is because a lot of men today were raised in fatherless homes and never really had a decent male role model in their lives.

When I first got saved, the immediately put today's youth on my heart. After a couple of months of volunteer work, I realized that a lot of the mess that our teen age boys were getting into was because they didn't have a father figure in their lives. I then began to embrace those boys as my own despite whatever circumstances they were in and it didn't take long before I earned their respect. I could talk to those boys about anything and they would open up because they knew I what was being said was done so in confidence and that I would not judge them. In fact, I could ask those boys for anything and they would do it without hesitation, not because they feared me but because they respected me.

I personally feel that it is my obligation as a man of God and the obligation of every man in the church to be a Spiritual father. This is the way I view church: if you are not willing to be a part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

 

[Jullianna]

I didn't take it that Oncefallen was saying that all guys should be able to withstand carrying a huge cross, being flogged/beaten and crucified (Although for those who think Jesus wasn't strong enough to do it solely as a man, what did Peter and the others who were also crucified use?). I think he was simply trying to erase the picture in the minds of so many of Jesus as a feminine looking guy who just walked around talking alot with long flowing blonde hair that we see in paintings.

Even though this is an open forum, I would feel awkward saying more on this particular topic because I do not believe it is proper for a woman to give men instruction to godly men in this regard who are not her sons, so I think I'll just post some scriptures and let the Word speak for itself. I pray some of the godly men of these forums will do the same.

Proverbs 20:7 The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him​

"To the woman He said: 'I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; in pain you shall bring forth children; your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you'" (Genesis 3:16).

"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything" (Ephesians 5:22-24).

"And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord" (Ephesians 6:4). (DON'T JUST SEND THEM TO CHURCH WITH MOMMY AND TEACH THEM SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT HOME)

Be men who can become leaders in the Church, as Paul told the elders at Ephesus: "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood" (Acts 20:28). An elder must hold "fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict" (Titus 1:9). Peter wrote: "The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by constraint but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock; and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away. Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for 'God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble'" (1 Peter 5:1-5). and
1 Timothy 3:2
Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

Colossians 3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

"But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God" (1 Corinthians 11:3).
1Timothy 3:4-5 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the assembly of the Lord?);

1 Timothy 5:8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.​

1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.


P.S. - I know there are women out there who believe that society has somehow re-written some of these scriptures, but that's not the topic of this thread, so I pray we can all be respectful of that.

 

[Jullianna]

I am firm believer that real men aren't born, they're made. The reason why we see so few real men today is because a lot of men today were raised in fatherless homes and never really had a decent male role model in their lives.

When I first got saved, the immediately put today's youth on my heart. After a couple of months of volunteer work, I realized that a lot of the mess that our teen age boys were getting into was because they didn't have a father figure in their lives. I then began to embrace those boys as my own despite whatever circumstances they were in and it didn't take long before I earned their respect. I could talk to those boys about anything and they would open up because they knew I what was being said was done so in confidence and that I would not judge them. In fact, I could ask those boys for anything and they would do it without hesitation, not because they feared me but because they respected me.

I personally feel that it is my obligation as a man of God and the obligation of every man in the church to be a Spiritual father. This is the way I view church: if you are not willing to be a part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

awesome............................