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niceguyJ

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So lets say there is a guy. We'll call him Joe. He reads this forum and listens to friends, family, etc. etc. He is told if he wants to attract a woman and keep her that he needs to do this and that etc. etc. yadda yadda so on and so forth. He's also told to avoid these other things, a whole list of things even.

Joe meets a girl and follows all the "rules". Everything is working out great but on into the relationship she starts to see the REAL Joe. She realizes he's just been pretending to be all these things but realizes he's not that guy she thought he was. He has simply been following the "rules" and sticking with the plan. It causes problems because the real Joe isn't what she is looking for. The relatioinship crashes and burns.

Let me give another example of one thing I'm trying to get at here:
The word "needy" has come up here a lot lately...

Lets say that everyone is needy to some extent. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the most needy, 5 is the average person.
Joe in reality is a 9. He meets a girl and plays it cool so he only comes off as being a 5. Later in the relationship it finally becomes apparent that he's actually a 9. Girl can't handle a 9 so she takes off. If Joe were just himself in the beginning, he could've saved both a lot of trouble.
There's probably another girl out there who wants a 9. It fits her perfectly. If she meets Joe while he's pretending to be a 5, she's not going to have any interest in him, because she fits better with a 9.

If you don't present your true self, how on Earth are you going to find the right person?? Do you want someone who loves the role you're playing or someone that really loves you, the real you??

Isn't it better to just be yourself from the get go? Forget the "rules". There is no one size fits all. We're all individuals. If someone can't handle you exactly how you truly are, they aren't for you to begin with. Save yourself and the other person some trouble.

This is where I stand:
I try to just be myself, but I also analyze myself. I try to be self-aware, so I can grow and learn as much as possible. I can't play the games. I can't follow the rules. I don't even know all the rules. I don't want to know them. I will die single or I will be with a woman who gets me just as I am. There is no compromise or middle ground. If someone doesn't want me for me, it's not worth my time...whether it's a romantic relationship or friendship.

Thoughts??


One last thing:
I really like this forum. I feel like I've learned from you folks. You've made me think a lot, and even contributed to some growth for me. I appreciate that greatly. There are also times though, after reading in this forum, I just want to throw my hands up in the air and say, "Forget this!! It's way too confusing." Does anyone else ever feel that way?
That confusion I see is one of the reasons I stick to what I said above. I just really don't think it should be so complicated. It's probably not. We just make it that way sometimes...
 

PopClick

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Are you incapable of being incorrect? Seriously, you ought to post more often.
 
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Jullianna

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I agree. Just be yourself. If someone fits with you or gets you, they do. If they don't, they don't. Reality WILL take over at some point.

More and more I'm learning to be more direct as well. It saves time and feelings.

I often think the reason a lot of people have difficulty recovering from relationships or may become bitter is that they jump into the deep end of the pool too soon. The whole idea of the friends first thing is to step into the shallow end of the pool and get to know one another a bit at a time (without coming on too strong and smothering someone). That way, if it works out, great. If it doesn't, you figure that out before you hurt one another and don't lose a great friendship.
 

PopClick

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Yeah, spam the place! Seriously! :D
 

Snackersmom

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Yeah! change your screen-name to niceguyspambot! :D
 

niceguyJ

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Haha. Y'all are funny.
I have considered changing my name before, for real. I just coudln't come up with anything I liked when I made this one, so I just went with it. Then I get here and realize "nice guy" apparently has all these definitions or ideas that go along with it, many that don't fit me. lol.

I'm always right, except when I'm wrong. ;)

Popclick, Snackersmom: I just tend to read a lot more than I post. A lot of times though, by the time I process and think through what is going on in a thread, there will be others who have said basically the same thing I was going to say. Plus, I spend time on CC in the chat room too...which is usually not very serious. I guess for me, the forum gets more of my serious side, and I'm more likely to be goofy in the chat..


Jullianna: YES. Although, I certainly can understand how it could be hard to go slow if you're really clicking with someone. It's not easy, but it's definitely wise.
 

Snackersmom

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Haha. Y'all are funny.
I have considered changing my name before, for real. I just couldn't come up with anything I liked when I made this one, so I just went with it. Then I get here and realize "nice guy" apparently has all these definitions or ideas that go along with it, many that don't fit me. lol.
You should try having a screen-name like "Snackersmom".......I don't know WHAT I was thinking.....:rolleyes:

P.S. You really should post more often, true fact
 

niceguyJ

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You should try having a screen-name like "Snackersmom".......I don't know WHAT I was thinking.....:rolleyes:

P.S. You really should post more often, true fact
haha. Yours was a bit interesting/confusing at first but then I read why you picked it somewhere in this forum.

:D
 

Snackersmom

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Lol! I strive every day to interest people in a confusing way, or perhaps rather to confuse them in an interesting way.....:D

But, yes, I actually DID have my reasons. There is a method to my madness!!! :D

Hey, you should start more threads, too....they're fun to crash, and since you're such a nice guy, you didn't even yell at us! :)
 

shawntc

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If there's one thing I've decided in my life, it's that I'm going to be me. I talk to myself more often than I realize, and sometimes I act weird (I think I've toned down hugely on that, just from maturing and life experience). I like deep conversations but I don't handle intense emotions very well. This is who I am, a work in progress. And I won't try to display myself as anything different.

In high school, I "fell in love" for the first time. I was totally misusing that word, BTW. I forget exactly what I was doing this one time during lunch. I think it had something to do with me talking to myself, or perhaps the lunch itself. But I was doing something that would merit weird looks, and it just so happened my crush walked by me at that instant. I told my friend at the lunch table about it and he basically said, "Would you really want to do that in front of your crush?" I had no shame in being myself around her or anyone. Especially not around a crush. Why make a fake version of yourself toward someone you want to be close to? Sure it may draw them in, but once they see the real you they could very likely be repelled. Show them the real you in the first place and you will save yourself (and maybe the other person) heartbreak!
 

zeroturbulence

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Being me is no fun. I'd rather be George Clooney.

...as Batman of course.

 
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Jullianna

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You mean that's NOT you?????????????? :eek:
 
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Liz01

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niceguy J, I agree with PopClick and Snackersmom, you should post more, this is one of the best threads on CC

ps. I agree with you
 
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kayem77

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So lets say there is a guy. We'll call him Joe. He reads this forum and listens to friends, family, etc. etc. He is told if he wants to attract a woman and keep her that he needs to do this and that etc. etc. yadda yadda so on and so forth. He's also told to avoid these other things, a whole list of things even.

Joe meets a girl and follows all the "rules". Everything is working out great but on into the relationship she starts to see the REAL Joe. She realizes he's just been pretending to be all these things but realizes he's not that guy she thought he was. He has simply been following the "rules" and sticking with the plan. It causes problems because the real Joe isn't what she is looking for. The relatioinship crashes and burns.

Let me give another example of one thing I'm trying to get at here:
The word "needy" has come up here a lot lately...

Lets say that everyone is needy to some extent. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the most needy, 5 is the average person.
Joe in reality is a 9. He meets a girl and plays it cool so he only comes off as being a 5. Later in the relationship it finally becomes apparent that he's actually a 9. Girl can't handle a 9 so she takes off. If Joe were just himself in the beginning, he could've saved both a lot of trouble.
There's probably another girl out there who wants a 9. It fits her perfectly. If she meets Joe while he's pretending to be a 5, she's not going to have any interest in him, because she fits better with a 9.

If you don't present your true self, how on Earth are you going to find the right person?? Do you want someone who loves the role you're playing or someone that really loves you, the real you??

Isn't it better to just be yourself from the get go? Forget the "rules". There is no one size fits all. We're all individuals. If someone can't handle you exactly how you truly are, they aren't for you to begin with. Save yourself and the other person some trouble.

This is where I stand:
I try to just be myself, but I also analyze myself. I try to be self-aware, so I can grow and learn as much as possible. I can't play the games. I can't follow the rules. I don't even know all the rules. I don't want to know them. I will die single or I will be with a woman who gets me just as I am. There is no compromise or middle ground. If someone doesn't want me for me, it's not worth my time...whether it's a romantic relationship or friendship.

Thoughts??


One last thing:
I really like this forum. I feel like I've learned from you folks. You've made me think a lot, and even contributed to some growth for me. I appreciate that greatly. There are also times though, after reading in this forum, I just want to throw my hands up in the air and say, "Forget this!! It's way too confusing." Does anyone else ever feel that way?
That confusion I see is one of the reasons I stick to what I said above. I just really don't think it should be so complicated. It's probably not. We just make it that way sometimes...

I agree with you, and these forums have also helped me to learn and grow . I analyze myself too, sometimes too much I think , everytime I read something interesting I'm like ......''mmmm maybe I do that too? do I? o_O WAIT, DO I!?:eek: '' and it has actually helped me :). Sometimes I'm wondering if I'm being myself or maybe I'm just trying to be myself too hard haha, and then I get confused thinking that maybe it's not me but it's my brain trying to tell me that I am ALL of my ideas. I'm too self-aware I guess...but that's me. It can't be confusing but it's somehow clear in my own mind. I can't imagine being with someone who doesn't make life complicated , like I do haha. :D
 

niceguyJ

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I agree with you, and these forums have also helped me to learn and grow . I analyze myself too, sometimes too much I think , everytime I read something interesting I'm like ......''mmmm maybe I do that too? do I? o_O WAIT, DO I!?:eek: '' and it has actually helped me :). Sometimes I'm wondering if I'm being myself or maybe I'm just trying to be myself too hard haha, and then I get confused thinking that maybe it's not me but it's my brain trying to tell me that I am ALL of my ideas. I'm too self-aware I guess...but that's me. It can't be confusing but it's somehow clear in my own mind. I can't imagine being with someone who doesn't make life complicated , like I do haha. :D
Haha. I definitely get what you're saying. If there's a such thing as too self-aware, I'd think it must be better than not self-aware enough. There is some kind of good middle ground somewhere there I'm sure.
 
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Catlynn

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I like this thread.
I'm a big believer in there not being a big blanket set of rules for everyone. I think that it is wise to listen and learn from others and always be trying to grow as a person in the Lord but to change completely to look more appealing will only end in disappointment for one or both parties.
Each person and situation is different. Seek wisdom from the Lord, He's pretty good at developing your character in the best possible way if you let Him. ^_^
Thanks for this thread, NiceGuyJ. :)
 

niceguyJ

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I like this thread.
I'm a big believer in there not being a big blanket set of rules for everyone. I think that it is wise to listen and learn from others and always be trying to grow as a person in the Lord but to change completely to look more appealing will only end in disappointment for one or both parties.
Each person and situation is different. Seek wisdom from the Lord, He's pretty good at developing your character in the best possible way if you let Him. ^_^
Thanks for this thread, NiceGuyJ. :)
I agree with absolutely everything said here.
You're welcome. :)

Just to be absolutely clear, I wasn't saying we shouldn't change at all. We should work to change in the way that Catlynn is speaking of here.