if i kill myself will i go to heaven?

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If you put only God's words in your mind instead of the thoughts of how awful the things are that you are having to cope with in this world, you could live with God in this world, now. God will not let you in His heaven, bringing those thoughts with you. It isn't a place for misery, only for shalom.

Many people have done it in the most miserable of life situations. Some Jews in the concentration camps for instance.

There is a "you" within you who can live with the God who is the Father right now, in this world, above the humiliations of your surroundings. When you live with just that person and God, there will open a way out of your life situation.

The road to that is very simple. It is in putting words of God in your mind. That simple. Those words are the key to heaven. Killing your body is not the key, it takes you away from where you want to go.

I have two friends who are bipolar, and their desire to kill themselves was simply a matter of not having the right chemicals in their brain. They have bad situations to handle in their life, but handling them was a matter of taking the proper pills.
 
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Praying for you friend. What exactly is this past you cannot seem to escape?? Please PM me and we can discuss this matter. Dont give the devil so much credit...GOD is greater than failures, disappointments, hurts, and your past. Be encouraged friend..it is the enemy who is feeding you lies of deception.
 
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but does suicide mean hell?
 
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What is the situation?
Thought patterns are really important. You have thought of an exit strategy. Life is about 'live or live'. Don't think of another choice because there is none.

Jesus said "I have come that they may have life, and have it in full."
John 10:10

Don't rob yourself of that chance which will come after the terrible storm you're in. I pray that you will look back to this thread and say "God is Faithful. "

Last quick words : avoid any literature or videos or music that talk about suicide. Read the Bible instead constantly without pressure and anxiety. Just read. It's good mental food and will help you reduce stress levels I believe.

I am praying for you.
 
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sadch said:
but does suicide mean hell?
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We'd rather you continue to live to discover and embrace God's love, then that you remain a slave to fear. But if we must, then you are right to stay with us for another day for any reason. Tomorrow may be the day it all changes.
 
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Tomorrow may be the day it all changes.
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Very true. If you kill yourself, you will never know just how full your life may be.

You may think, "There is NO WAY it will EVER get better. It just can't, too much has happened. I am too broken, I am in too much pain." That's what I thought, at least, when I was suicidal back when I was 14. But, God has used me, as broken as I still am, to help other people. I have impacted people for Christ because my pain and past have made me compassionate, understanding, non-judgmental, and passionate for others who are experiencing the same pain; the pain of just wanting it to end because you're not sure if you take another day of hopelessness. For me, there was also pain in thinking that no one would even care or notice that I was gone. Which is so very, very wrong. You may not think so, I know I didn't at the time, but looking back, a life lost impacts somebody, every time, no matter what you think of yourself.

I know it feels like nothing will ever change. But like kenisyes said, tomorrow may be the day. No one, absolutely no one, no matter how certain you might feel, knows what will happen in the future. Are you 110% positive that, should you not kill yourself and live to be 73, in the next 50 years you will feel the exact same as you do now, every single day? That nothing will get better, nothing will change, ever?

I don't know your circumstances, and you may feel free to PM me, post them here, or PM someone else who has offered to talk about why you want to kill yourself, but if possible, if there is something that you can change that will help things, by all means, do it. If you're in an abusive relationship, find a safe house. If your family hates you, go to church and find an older, respectable female to talk to and be encouraged. If you have messed up somehow, ask those you may have hurt for forgiveness, forgive yourself, and ask Christ for His forgiveness. His forgiveness covers ALL. It doesn't matter what you have done, He WILL forgive you. He wants to and longs to because you are His precious daughter. I know people who have murdered, people who have come from a homosexual past, people who used to be drunk all the time to escape their pain, people who slandered others, who had anger issues, ALL of that is under God's grace. There is nothing you have done or will do that will make Him think, "Oh, ick, I'm not forgiving you, that is just TOO much for me." His love abounds.

ETA: sadch, you see that little girl in my avatar? The one on the left? See her smile? One of the things that drove me to go on a mission trip where that little girl lives is because of the pain I had in my past. The pain that still rears its ugly head to this day, but thanks be to Christ, He can help me fight it back down. There are many other children and people like that that I have met, that I would not have had I killed myself OR if I had not gone through what I did. Just something to think about. It is possible.
 
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thanks but the pain happend in the past, it can't be changed and its not something you can move on from. Why do some people say suicide is the unforgivable sin?
 
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thanks but the pain happend in the past, it can't be changed and its not something you can move on from. Why do some people say suicide is the unforgivable sin?
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Because you can only pray for forgiveness while you are still alive.
 
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Didn't you bring this argument up before? Who are you to kill yourself, your life don't belong to you. No offence. but your life, or your sister's life in question, don't belong to her or yourself, God may breathed life in you, but its lent, borrowed. while you are on earth. Life belongs to God.
 
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sadch said:
thanks but the pain happend in the past, it can't be changed and its not something you can move on from. Why do some people say suicide is the unforgivable sin?
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Anything that happens is something that you (general you) can move on from. Anything. Like I said before, I know people who have "moved on" from homosexuality, being physically beaten by their step-dad, being sexually attacked, selling drugs, being cheated on, etc.

Now, moving on does NOT mean that you forget about it, that it no longer impacts you in any way, shape, or form. Moving on means accepting that it happened and deciding for yourself that you will choose to live life differently, to choose to learn from what happened. That is up to you. It is possible. By saying "I can't move on from this" you are MAKING yourself NOT move on from it. The first step is saying "Yes, this CAN heal. As impossible as it seems, as long as it may take, as hard as it may be, it CAN happen."

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What if I ask for forgiveness while I am dying? Will that cover me?
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This isn't the attitude Christ wants from us. If I go up to someone and shove a knife in their stomach, and while I'm still holding that knife say "Forgive me" does that make it any better for that person or for me? Forgiveness isn't a free ticket to do what you want.
 
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sadch, it seems that you have only come on here to justify actions that you want to take to end your life. Please don't close yourself off to the truth that is being spoken to you in this thread: the truth of healing, of grace, of encouragement. Open yourself up a little bit to hear, and not just the things you want to hear.
 
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sadch said:
but does suicide mean hell?
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Yes, suicide means hell. To be in God's heaven we must go to Christ to be cleansed of our sin, and killing yourself is sin. You can't say Lord, I will kill myself, forgive me of this that I will do. Asking forgiveness includes repenting and turning from sin.

I wish this wasn't so, but you asked and this is the way it is.
 
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Nobody here can tell you that for sure, because God is the only true decider of where people go. I've been suicidal before myself and I know how it feels to not care and just want it to end. I would ask that you at least give yourself a few days to pray about it and ask God for help.....you would be surprised at how well that works.
 
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sadch, it seems that you have only come on here to justify actions that you want to take to end your life. Please don't close yourself off to the truth that is being spoken to you in this thread: the truth of healing, of grace, of encouragement. Open yourself up a little bit to hear, and not just the things you want to hear.
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This isn't directed to you specifically Rachel, but your post compells me to say this..

The thing that most people don't get when it comes to those who are suicidal is that you can't just reason away that person's desire to end their life. This person is someone in a lot of pain, unbearable pain that has built up over a long period of time. So we all need to be very patient and loving to this person.
 
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Do you really want to take that chance?

My dear, what horrid things you must be facing to believe risking hell is better than your current problems. Please tell me what is going on, via PM if you want. I want to understand your point of view, and I really do wonder what you must be facing.
 
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zeroturbulence said:
The thing that most people don't get when it comes to those who are suicidal is that you can't just reason away that person's desire to end their life. This person is someone in a lot of pain, unbearable pain that has built up over a long period of time. So we all need to be very patient and loving to this person.
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I know. I've been suicidal before. My point is that until she decides for herself that she wants help or wants to change, then there's nothing we can say or do that can help her, so I'm encouraging her to let herself hear us.
 
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sadch, you are God's child. There MUST be some good things of your life going on now, maybe, just something you eat. You're sooooo young. God can soooo use you. Your events that happened to you cannot be changed, that is true, as you say, but you are strong, because you have Him. God is there for you, I know, hard to see, but I pray that in this time you do see Him and you see that He Loves you, with a Love that's so much Love, beyond human love.

Can you please think things through with a trusted friend, I will give you some names if you PM me and wait for me to get back to you :) Girls. I've got trust in many on c.c. that I see as following the Lord in their life, even some, who've said discouraging things on c.c. of themselves and they've seen that God will get them through IF they ask Him too.

This is a verse I want you to ponder, this goes for ANY THING in our life that troubles us or that is graciously asked for with a heart that is truly after Him . I see yours is because you are on here in this time :)

"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14"If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it."

The power of God in our lives, brings so much joy, ch :) Faith in Him, He will NEVER leave you nor forsake you, milady :)

God wants us to put our hope, faith, trust, in Him , for EVERY THING. He will show you, sadch, you may be a sad Christian, but God took care all of our sadness with His Son dying on the cross, please, feel His Love to you now, right now. It is coming all over you from all these posts on c.c. , I especially liked what graceword said, open up your bible and see what God speaks to you. I am not sure how but He will show you a way out of this :)



Any thing, every thing, God can do anything and He is everything for you, just ask and wait and listen and live, through faith, in His way for your life. It will be a blessed, beautiful experience, oh, yes!, God can and will, as you let Him, change things of your past that hurt you. God is soooooo goood :)
 
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