if i kill myself will i go to heaven?

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seoulsearch

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Sadch--

I believe I can relate quite a bit to some of the feelings you're having. Maybe not everything, as we are all individuals, but I would like you to know that there are those of us out here who do understand through first-hand experiences.

I have been fighting feelings of wanting to die since I was 9 years old. By 13 I thought about dying constantly. At age 25, when my husband left for another woman, I truly felt my life had ended. About a year after he left, I took 3 bottles of Tylenol and tucked myself into bed for what I thought would be the last time. I was completely alone and believed I would die very easily.

A few hours later, I was awoken from my sleep by a friend who hadn't called me in months. It "just so happened that day" and "at that time", that she had decided to call and see how I'd been doing. In a medicinal-infused haze, I broke down on the phone, but in anger. I told her I hated the world, God, and life. If she had called any sooner, I would have still had enough control to stay quiet about what I had done. If she had called any later, it would have been too late. Did I mention my friend was an atheist, and would always get upset whenever I mentioned God? But yet, she was the one whom God chose to make the call to save my life. She was an hour away--I told her I was ready to die and whatever happened would happen, so be it. This was also not my first attempt--I had played around with wanting to overdose on household painkilelrs before, but not to this extreme. After just listening to me rant for some time, she quietly got off the phone... and, unknown to me, called another friend who was closer to come get me (he was prepared to break open my window, seeing as I had locked myself inside my house) and take me to the hospital. The two of them saved my life.

I was in for a week--3 days to pump the pills out of my system, and 3 days (as required by law) in the psychiatric ward.

I was raised in church. I've heard everything Christians have to say about the subject, along with all the criticisms and declarations of how the answer is in getting closer to God. People told me I was being selfish. No, I shot back, it's you who are being selfish because you can't handle the way I really am and when I ask you for help, you accuse me of feeling the way I do because of my own sins. But yet you won't even listen to me. I had gone for help and counseling for many, many years, and though some very lovely people DID try to help, no one really had an answer. When I showed up at my pastor's office with ragged cuts down my arms, my pastor patted me on the shoulder and said, "Oh, my daughter's friend was a cutter too." No one took me seriously. All they could tell me is what I was doing wrong and how it was all my fault because all I needed to do was snap out of it and get closer to Jesus.

I hated the church and everyone in it for a very long time. But God worked with me. He gave me family, friends, and life experiences... step by step. And so, God got me through my anger (though it's taken a decade and some of it is still there--I still struggle with it often.) I have asked God before if I will have it for the rest of my life, these thoughts of wanting to die. What annoys me most is that people like the smiling, joking side of me... but if they see the other side... if I show up with cuts on my arms... They suddenly don't know me and walk away. Which is fine. I do understand. And, God blessed me so much that a few people were willing to accept the real, 100%, whole me, both good and bad, instead of only the side they wanted. I do think I understand much of what you feel, my precious sister in Christ, and I am so sorry.

People also must understand that depression can have biological roots as well. Being adopted, I have no record of my history or birth family. I have always wondered if my depression is partially physiological. I have always had the feeling... that neither of my birth parents are still living. I could be wrong. It's something I will have to ask God someday. But... I have always had this sadness in my heart, and I have, for a long time, believed that my birth mother committed suicide. As I said, I could be wrong. But I often wonder if the sadness she probably felt was passed on to me.

I was always taught as well that suicide means an immediate and one-way trip to hell. Do you know what? In my anger and rebellion, I got to a point where I did not care. I was so tired of other Christians judging, criticizing, or ignoring what I tried to say that I certainly had no love for the God these people told me was the answer. After all, Paul said it is better to be with the Lord than here on earth, and I couldn't agree more. BUT, the catch is, our heavenward journey has to be on God's terms, and not our own.

I am sitting here, reading your story, feeling so much familiarity. I promise my best to listen to you with all the love, compassion, and but yet raw honesty and hard truths that God will give me the strength to have. I have prayed that if you contact me, God will help me to please give you a safe place in which you can share how you feel. I don't have any answers, that's for sure. But maybe together we can pray that God will take us step by step.

A counselor once shook her head at me and said, "You're so young." I looked right at her and said, "When I was 13, I remember being shocked when I read about a 9-year-old boy who hung himself with a set of shoelaces from his boots. I can remember thinking to myself, 'What could possibly be so bad about the world that would cause someone so young to feel that this was the only way out?' Now I know that the world really is that bad."

When you've wanted to die since you were 13 and you've spent more than a few passing moments contemplating drinking bleach and household cleaners or buying a gun... by the time you get to your mid-twenties, it feels like life has dragged on forever, and that there is an eternity left to go. I have often argued with God, "I never asked for or wanted this life. You were the one who decided it."

God has brought me through a lot too, Sadch. Maybe not as much as you... but I sit here feeling sad and helpless, and the cry on my heart is, "God, you've brought me this far, and through much of the same stretch of dark, lonely woods as this precious young woman... Isn't there ANYTHING I can do to help?" It truly brings tears to my eyes because the sadness in your voice is so palpable that I feel it in my own heart as well.

You will most certainly be in my prayers. And please, feel free to contact me if you should so wish.

May God help you find your path, precious one.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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I commend my fellow Christians for being so compassionate, but i think this girl is yanking you around.

People who want to end their life bad enough.... They do it. They do not first find a christian chat room, think up a nickname and register, wait for their nickname to be approved so he or she can start posting, check to see who has responded everyday..then say things like "Job's life was a daisy walk compared to mine"
Come on people..... Job's life was a daisy walk compared to mine..........and what if as i'm dying i ask God to forgive me.
Either she is unaware of Job's story, thinks God is an idiot or she's just full of crap.

This girl is arguing with every long drawn out point everyone is making with 1 word sentences..

I dunno if it were me and my life was so much worse than Jobs i wouldn't be on an internet chat room.
 

seoulsearch

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Nod, I totally understand and respect what you're saying.

Sometimes... people do find that talking about suicide will get them a lot of attention, and it may be the only attention they feel they can get. Sometimes... it may also feel to them as if it is the only time anyone shows any concern as well.

I agree with you very much, Nod, because when I was going through my stages, and sometimes I still have them, I was "looking for fights" and arguing every which way as well. I still go through those phases now and then.

I do try though to always err on the side of caution. I saw an interview with a pastor who talked about a young girl who came to him and his wife for help with suicidal thoughts. She complained a lot, would not listen to anything they had to say, and came to their house almost everyday. He finally confronted her and told her he felt she was only seeking attention.

The girl went home and fatally shot herself that night. The pastor bowed his head and said, "I know in my heart that I killed that girl," and he talked about having to live with that the rest of his life.

Now, I personally believe he did all he could do for her. I am the same way, and doubly so since I've been there. If a person won't listen after an extensive amount of time, there's nothing else to do but pray for them and walk away. But, before I walk, I do want to know in my heart that hopefully, I allowed God to help me do the best I could to hopefully say something that might touch that person's heart, even if it takes some time to sink in.

God bless you, Nod!! You always speak what's real, and I love you for that. *hugs*
 
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I am 23 and i want to kill myself. Can i still go to heaven? all 6 people in the bible who killed themselves were evil so that scares me but i really cant take anymore humiliation.
It hurts like hell. But whatever it is you're going through you have to endure. I've thought about killing myself, and I still do. It really really hurts, eh? I want so much for it to just end, but I can't end my own life because I fear what I may or may not see on the other side...

Just endure. Please, just endure.
 
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NodMyHeadLikeYeah

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Nod, I totally understand and respect what you're saying.

Sometimes... people do find that talking about suicide will get them a lot of attention, and it may be the only attention they feel they can get. Sometimes... it may also feel to them as if it is the only time anyone shows any concern as well.

I agree with you very much, Nod, because when I was going through my stages, and sometimes I still have them, I was "looking for fights" and arguing every which way as well. I still go through those phases now and then.

I do try though to always err on the side of caution. I saw an interview with a pastor who talked about a young girl who came to him and his wife for help with suicidal thoughts. She complained a lot, would not listen to anything they had to say, and came to their house almost everyday. He finally confronted her and told her he felt she was only seeking attention.

The girl went home and fatally shot herself that night. The pastor bowed his head and said, "I know in my heart that I killed that girl," and he talked about having to live with that the rest of his life.

Now, I personally believe he did all he could do for her. I am the same way, and doubly so since I've been there. If a person won't listen after an extensive amount of time, there's nothing else to do but pray for them and walk away. But, before I walk, I do want to know in my heart that hopefully, I allowed God to help me do the best I could to hopefully say something that might touch that person's heart, even if it takes some time to sink in.

God bless you, Nod!! You always speak what's real, and I love you for that. *hugs*
We've had a lot of.people on here say a lot of crazy things, to me that's what this seems like. I could be totally wrong, but in my personal opinion it seems all very strange. I get where your coming from as well Seoul.

Much love :)
 
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Donkeyfish07

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I commend my fellow Christians for being so compassionate, but i think this girl is yanking you around.

People who want to end their life bad enough.... They do it. They do not first find a christian chat room, think up a nickname and register, wait for their nickname to be approved so he or she can start posting, check to see who has responded everyday..then say things like "Job's life was a daisy walk compared to mine"

Come on people..... Job's life was a daisy walk compared to mine..........and what if as i'm dying i ask God to forgive me.
Either she is unaware of Job's story, thinks God is an idiot or she's just full of crap.

This girl is arguing with every long drawn out point everyone is making with 1 word sentences..

I dunno if it were me and my life was so much worse than Jobs i wouldn't be on an internet chat room.
It's never safe to assume anything....There's a lot of suicidal people out there that have no one to talk to in real life......I occasionally try to reach out to suicidal people on another forum....sometimes they post for a long time and many of them manage to pull themselves out of the slump....only to come back later....some people make multiple semi attempts....and some people actually do it after a long period of talking about it. We've lost a few this past year, one of them a 13 year old girl.

The biggest thing people worry about is what God will think about it when they are teetering on the edge. There's hundreds of people trying to reach out to someone online, logging on to check replies while seriously thinking about swallowing the whole bottle of pills that awaits them in the other room.
 
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CNikki

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I commend my fellow Christians for being so compassionate, but i think this girl is yanking you around.

People who want to end their life bad enough.... They do it. They do not first find a christian chat room, think up a nickname and register, wait for their nickname to be approved so he or she can start posting, check to see who has responded everyday..then say things like "Job's life was a daisy walk compared to mine"
Come on people..... Job's life was a daisy walk compared to mine..........and what if as i'm dying i ask God to forgive me.
Either she is unaware of Job's story, thinks God is an idiot or she's just full of crap.

This girl is arguing with every long drawn out point everyone is making with 1 word sentences..

I dunno if it were me and my life was so much worse than Jobs i wouldn't be on an internet chat room.

I can see what you're saying, but I think to give benefit of the doubt they're just in a sense are crying for help. Sometimes people feel they don't have any other option or choice and go to the internet to release some sort of build up because they feel there's nobody else to turn to. You can be surprised that the internet can actually be used as a comfort, and I'm a pure example of it.

We won't really know if they're serious or not and only themselves and God knows, but at the end of the day it's better to at least give some sort of effort in knowing that it's what Christ wants people to do than to simply give up or look over on them, which I'm sure is how they probably are feeling too. Christ knew that he was serving hypocrites and liars that eventually would turn against him, but he loved them enough to still provide and set that example because it's unconditional love. I'm actually a bit touched with this forum.
 
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sadch

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thanks cnikki, thats exactly how I feel. The internet helps me to say things that no one in my life will listen to. I don't really know what I am seeking from doing this, its just relief to express things in a way that no one who knows me will ever know and is confidential. I am not the best with words but I do read the posts and think about them, but its hard overcoming my true feelings and I can't understand why.
 
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If only everyone had that angel Clarence from It's a Wonderful Life.
 
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CNikki

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thanks cnikki, thats exactly how I feel. The internet helps me to say things that no one in my life will listen to. I don't really know what I am seeking from doing this, its just relief to express things in a way that no one who knows me will ever know and is confidential. I am not the best with words but I do read the posts and think about them, but its hard overcoming my true feelings and I can't understand why.
It's okay. I know that feeling too. Just remember that it doesn't hurt to open up because we're not here to ultimately judge you based on what you type, it's great that there's people who will give you second thoughts from attempting suicide if that's what it takes. Much love.

Nikki
 

seoulsearch

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Sadch,

Do you know what the first thing I said was when I woke up in the hospital?

Was it, "Praise God for saving my life!" or "God is so good for what He's done for me!" ?

Heck, no. The first thing I said was, "WHAT???? I'm AWAKE??? I am GOING to keep trying until I finally succeed!!"

But the thing is, with God, I never held back what I was feeling, and I encourage you to do the same. Tell Him every fear, anger, disappointment, and hate. Even if no one else listens, I learned that God still does. Talk with us about what's going on as your friends... but also never forget to talk with God about everything you're going through as well.

I don't know if you like to read at all but I would also encourage you to read, "Disappointment With God," by Philip Yancey. A young nurse's aide recommended that book for me to my mom, because she had done the same thing I had and had compassion on me in the hospital, even though I was so horribly angry. Reading that book changed my life.

As I also pray that God will change yours. *hugs*
 
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isaria

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Do these suicidal thoughts truly come from yourself or is there a outside influence .
Have heard of people having such thoughts which may or may not be their own but from some one whom wants them to die and it is like a malicious program if that is the "thought" you having every day and such malicious thought needs be reprogrammed.

I know for I have also had very much suffering and pain even suicidal thoughts but not once would i actually do it and i recognised it was not my will at all, contrary.
Literally every second was tormenting and looking back it is a miracle i survived what i went through back then.


Try to think loving, caring, kind and positive.
The pain and humiliation is something you may have to go through, like a triam make you wiser, stronger, humble and maybe able to understand and help other people in future if you are that kind of a person.

Take care of yourself and prayer...
"He may not come when you want but he be right there ....... help is on the way......." a gospel song :)
another one "i have been down for so long lack of hope is gone .. i just want to praise you. a reason to beleive i could break free.now God has broken every chain. (some thing like that)
Maybe listen to gospel.
I did and it did not help because it was severe torment i went through nor did prayer "make pain go away".
But going through it hour by hour, minute by minute, week by week, month by month , year by year and many years....
and one may start see and feel little moments of joy .
The pain not so bad anymore and you begin to see more and more brighter moments.

Never heard anyone commiting suicide du to humiliation and then ive heard stories of people making fake charities and stealing from church to live in luxury from those steal from, molesting and doing horrid things but they never seem commit suicide or shame what they did.

What are you humiliated about?
That feeling may pass.
Temporary.
Other pain may last lot longer.


Maybe you can move?

New town, fresh start.

Cut your hair, bath and repent and prayer and attend church (if you not to embarrassed or afraid etc) .
(i do not attend church yet but hope to soon) I prayer at home you could do this also.

Endure.
"do your time for your crime" and be true in who you are and try improve.

If you die..will that make you feel better truly?
What do you beleive happens then?
Is it Gods will you suicide?
(would say not)


Some people say "suicide" but they mean suicide their time and energy from a body and person and name and it does not mean "kill the body" but kill time invested in some one elses body who was to bad to be with.
Which is not to be missunderstood for "suicide" in real context of killing oneself in body so it is dead.


Keep the faith.

Better day may come soon.

Step by step. (as whitney Houston sings)
 
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nw2u

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Been there. I can only let you know you are on my mind and that I will keep you in my prayers tonight.
 
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kenisyes

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thanks cnikki, thats exactly how I feel. The internet helps me to say things that no one in my life will listen to. I don't really know what I am seeking from doing this, its just relief to express things in a way that no one who knows me will ever know and is confidential. I am not the best with words but I do read the posts and think about them, but its hard overcoming my true feelings and I can't understand why.
I am glad you made it through the night. Maybe just being able to say it and be accepted anyway will be enough for you to leave the past behind and start over.
 

T_Laurich

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CNikki, as you can see many people care about you and love you here...

Just to point this out, God loves you more than every one on earth ever could...
 
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LucasEB

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Suicide is blasphemous and blasphemy is unforgiven so I assume you will not get into heaven right away
 
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Missachu

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No, you won't go.
 

Jilly81

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Hey, Sis. I'm going to be as honest and direct as I can (don't worry; this isn't a yelling post). I hope you get as much pain as possible out of your system here; I know it can be a real release. I do want to say first off that we're all a bunch of misfits; every last human on the planet. Just on this site alone, I can think of the following things that people have either done to themselves or had done to them, sadly. One lady's first memory is when her dad abandoned her and her mom. Years later she was date raped. Another lady's mom left her dad, married another guy and punished the girl when she asked about her real dad. When she was an adult she looked for him and found his family, but he had already died. One guy got drunk a lot and took horse tranquilizer to try to feel good. Another guy made a girl get committed to the hospital after she became scared to even eat because of something he told her (long story). Another guy was raped up until he was 19 years old, at which point he and his brother killed the pedophile. He was then sent to prison for years. A bunch of the girls here have been cutters. Some of us have had eating disorders from things people (or our own minds) have told us about our bodies. There are many former porn addicts here (male AND female). Many of us used to be atheist. A BUNCH of us have hated God, and I think that probably all of us have been angry at Him at least at times. Many of us have attempted suicide. These are just a few of the things that I've read in public posts on this site, and there are MANY things that we're still struggling with as well. The thing is, these people now see that God is loving and have let Him (at least to some extent) help them through the pain.

Sis, I'm really trying to help. The thing is, I personally don't know what's going to help. Fortunately, there's Someone Who loves you more than anyone here can. His name is Jesus :). I know that it's often hard to see when you've been through pain so bad you don't even try to describe it since words can't explain. He knows about pain; when He was about to be crucified, He prayed so hard that He wouldn't have to go through all that agony that drops of blood fell from His forehead unto the ground. He took the sins of the entire planet on His shoulders on the cross. He did for everyone, yet at the same time, He took all of that just for you. Huge hugs, Sis :').
 
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nw2u

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I told God I was angry with Him. Like He didn't already know, right? I just could not take it any more. I had to actually say it out loud and hear it. I talked to Him about why and all the other stuff that was going through my mind. I laid it all on Him. Here it is. It's yours. I'm tired of it. You take it. Do with me as you will. I'm done. I love you and I am angry with you. He knew before I even said anything. He eased my pain that night. I thanked Him as best I could. I don't know what will help you. I wish I did. I just want you to feel a little less alone.