Marriage by kidnap: Men seized at gunpoint for marriage in India

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Rachel20

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I'm a little confused about how/why this works for women... Why does the government continue to recognize these marriages? What keeps the man from simply leaving his "wife" and returning to his life as it was? Wouldn't a marriage that started with kidnapping and threats of death be a bit strained...?
I've actually heard that arranged or forced marriages have this kind of 'you gotta learn to know one another' vibe and the couples actually end up fairly happy.

I watched a program about muslim arranged marriage and lots of people said that although people in the west view it as archaic, that many of the men and women get to know each other beyond the restraints of western marriage. They are together and thus they have to make it work, and a lot of them actually come to have very deep feelings for one another.

If I remember the name of the documentary I'll give it to you.

It's called Stockholm Syndrome.
 
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It's called Stockholm Syndrome.
It's not only women or men who get forced into arranged marriages though. Both men and women do.

The particular case was a case in England where two Indian people who'd never met each other had their marriage arranged, and at the start they hated one another. They would argue and do things to get on each others nerves and sleep in separate beds. And the wife got run down by a car one day when she was out doing gorcery shopping. She woke up a few days later and her husband had been by her bedside the entire time, worried she wouldn't wake up.

She said something after that, like basically this man sat by her beside and wiped the sweat from her brow for days even though he could have just gone home and left her there. The two of them have three happy children and a daughter who is going to have an arranged marriage and one who has an English boyfriend.
 
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kenthomas27

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Yes it is Ken.

Isn't he adorable? :)
Yes he is. In your picture it looks like he's feeling around for his head! (that may have been all a part of his act). Here he is with his head...

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what a proud moment that must've been.
 
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Arranged marriages yes. And I admire their ability to make things work - that mindset is something the whole world needs. However... jerking a man out of his environment with no regard to the plans he's made for his own life and no knowledge of what is about to happen - and forcing him to marry someone he doesn't know, literally at gunpoint? That seems a bit different than an arranged marriage. O_O
 
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kenthomas27

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Arranged marriages yes. And I admire their ability to make things work - that mindset is something the whole world needs. However... jerking a man out of his environment with no regard to the plans he's made for his own life and no knowledge of what is about to happen - and forcing him to marry someone he doesn't know, literally at gunpoint? That seems a bit different than an arranged marriage. O_O
Well - yeah, the way YOU explain it.
 

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I'm a little confused about how/why this works for women... Why does the government continue to recognize these marriages? What keeps the man from simply leaving his "wife" and returning to his life as it was? Wouldn't a marriage that started with kidnapping and threats of death be a bit strained...?
It's terrible! No human being should be violated in this way. I think the reason that they don't abandon the marriage is because the institution of marriage in those countries may be more important than the people in that marriage or how that marriage came to be. From my understanding, there isn't the freedom to just leave a bad situation, regardless of gender.
 
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It's terrible! No human being should be violated in this way. I think the reason that they don't abandon the marriage is because the institution of marriage in those countries may be more important than the people in that marriage or how that marriage came to be. From my understanding, there isn't the freedom to just leave a bad situation, regardless of gender.
In which case, I blame the government for allowing these kidnapping marriages to be considered legal and binding. Given the fact that these crimes have nearly doubled in the last 5 years, they need to make some changes and start holding someone accountable. Let's say... the daughter and new son-in-law are now married, but the father and mother who arranged the kidnapping spend the rest of their lives in jail. That ought to do it. :mad:

I'm just baffled at how this could possible be happening without severe consequences.
 

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In which case, I blame the government for allowing these kidnapping marriages to be considered legal and binding. Given the fact that these crimes have nearly doubled in the last 5 years, they need to make some changes and start holding someone accountable. Let's say... the daughter and new son-in-law are now married, but the father and mother who arranged the kidnapping spend the rest of their lives in jail. That ought to do it. :mad:

I'm just baffled at how this could possible be happening without severe consequences.
Well, maybe because marriages in Indian society (between the same caste) is an institution that has both social and religious significance.

In any case, arranged marriage (which is more or less the same though the mode of acquiring is different) is the norm where the subject in question is prevalent and so, it may not be considered a big deal. The end result is the same as arranged marriage. Also, caste politics (or vote bank) is deeply rooted in Indian politics, as such, the govt. has to think hundred times before doing away with such practices.


PS: My response is partly to your first post as well.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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They would have to shoot me.
 

JimJimmers

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This brings up an interesting question about weapons, though. I know Rachel20 once asked me what the laws were for carrying weapons in the U.S. Are you allowed to carry guns in India?

One thing for sure, if I'm on a train in the East, I'll wear a HUGE wedding ring, just to prevent Rachel20 from kidnapping me :D

 
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Well, maybe because marriages in Indian society (between the same caste) is an institution that has both social and religious significance.

In any case, arranged marriage (which is more or less the same though the mode of acquiring is different) is the norm where the subject in question is prevalent and so, it may not be considered a big deal. The end result is the same as arranged marriage. Also, caste politics (or vote bank) is deeply rooted in Indian politics, as such, the govt. has to think hundred times before doing away with such practices.


PS: My response is partly to your first post as well.
Ms Sanglina: I think that whatever the world does, it is a pity when unscriptural divisions enter the practice of the local church.

Blessings.
 
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In which case, I blame the government for allowing these kidnapping marriages to be considered legal and binding. Given the fact that these crimes have nearly doubled in the last 5 years, they need to make some changes and start holding someone accountable. Let's say... the daughter and new son-in-law are now married, but the father and mother who arranged the kidnapping spend the rest of their lives in jail. That ought to do it. :mad:

I'm just baffled at how this could possible be happening without severe consequences.
In principle I would agree, but it underlines just how vastly different some societies distant from North America are, and we should not be under any illusions. Blessings.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Now now, let's not be hasty....


Do you get to meet the bride and have dinner first? Dinner and then death.
No, lets be hasty....lol, one last kamikazee assault before we meet our maker :p
 
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In any case, arranged marriage (which is more or less the same though the mode of acquiring is different) is the norm where the subject in question is prevalent and so, it may not be considered a big deal.
Yes... the mode of acquiring is what I would take issue with. :p

"Men seized at gunpoint
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But I realize that it is probably more common and accepted there. People can get used to anything, as evidenced by our own apparent acceptance of abortion as a nation.
 
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well.. i guess getting seized at gunpoint and forced to marry a woman is a heck of a lot better then being on the streets of some American cities and getting killed for a dollar.....
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Of course feminists would argue that it's the man's fault he was kidnapped and forced to marry.

 

Rachel20

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In which case, I blame the government for allowing these kidnapping marriages to be considered legal and binding. Given the fact that these crimes have nearly doubled in the last 5 years, they need to make some changes and start holding someone accountable. Let's say... the daughter and new son-in-law are now married, but the father and mother who arranged the kidnapping spend the rest of their lives in jail. That ought to do it. :mad:

I'm just baffled at how this could possible be happening without severe consequences.

Actually Grace, none of these marriages are legal at all. In the article it states how some people, have gone for police protection, in which case the familes were arrested and the marriages annulled.


But I realize that it is probably more common and accepted there. People can get used to anything, as evidenced by our own apparent acceptance of abortion as a nation.

I wish I could agree with you and say ''Yes, yes it's like this and accepted over here!" because its so much fun to scare a few Americans, but I don't think that's right :(
 
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Rachel20

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This brings up an interesting question about weapons, though. I know Rachel20 once asked me what the laws were for carrying weapons in the U.S. Are you allowed to carry guns in India?
Guns are not allowed to be carried unless authorized to do so, (or licensed by the government)
Where I am, we have metal detectors almost everywhere. From malls, to subways, to companies, to even schools.

One thing for sure, if I'm on a train in the East, I'll wear a HUGE wedding ring, just to prevent Rachel20 from kidnapping me :D
Why? I am not so bad!!

I am sure we can have a great conversation on a lot of "weighty" issues :D