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J
I do too, but I was called out by an older couple in reference to my friend's miracle. They said they don't believe in miracles. Even after hearing what I told them about my friend. By the looks on their faces, I got the impression they were testing me. But it doesn't make sense.
My friend was taken to the hospital having a Heart Attack. They couldn't get his heartbeat under 200 beats/minute. The attending doctor left the room, I had the impression they were going to put a shot in his heart area (whatever that's called).
But it's been a while since he told me so I may be wrong.
He prayed while the doc was gone, a very sincere prayer. He said he saw a white beam of light come up to him on the floor, and into him. Then he felt undescribably better, and his vitals stabilized. The doc came back, and was totally dumbfounded. His response was something like "I don't know what just happened, but you're a very lucky man!" And these people think I'm what...lying? I feel like asking my friend to come to church with me Sunday to my Men's Meeting (hopefully the old guy will be there) and let the doubting Thomas hear the story first hand! This friend of mine has been a Christian for a long time, and I know he's no liar. It made him tear up to tell me this story, said he doesn't tell it much.
My friend was taken to the hospital having a Heart Attack. They couldn't get his heartbeat under 200 beats/minute. The attending doctor left the room, I had the impression they were going to put a shot in his heart area (whatever that's called).
But it's been a while since he told me so I may be wrong.
He prayed while the doc was gone, a very sincere prayer. He said he saw a white beam of light come up to him on the floor, and into him. Then he felt undescribably better, and his vitals stabilized. The doc came back, and was totally dumbfounded. His response was something like "I don't know what just happened, but you're a very lucky man!" And these people think I'm what...lying? I feel like asking my friend to come to church with me Sunday to my Men's Meeting (hopefully the old guy will be there) and let the doubting Thomas hear the story first hand! This friend of mine has been a Christian for a long time, and I know he's no liar. It made him tear up to tell me this story, said he doesn't tell it much.
J
I also feel like telling them of my miracle. Less dramatic than my friend's, but convinced me nevertheless. I was in a horrendous situation in my marriage (very long, crazy story)but I was drinking myself under the table and basically living in a fantasy world. The day I had the stroke, they did a blood test and told me my liver was way down. And that it wouldn't improve over time. But after leaving the hospital, I was determined things would straighten up. I was very careful about things, read my bible and prayed a whole lot. And after two to three years, the certain signs of liver damage disappeared. And I had my doc test my liver count, and it's back to normal. To me, that's a miracle. But I didn't tell them that.
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J
yeah I understand completely. My other pastor there has told of quite a few similar circumstances. I think I will tell him about the guy's remark, and see what he thinks about it.
I think the "doubting thomases" were being purposely crappy. You have to understand (and sometimes I forget) that these people judge others on how long they have been in the church. I'm coming up on a year next week, but most have been there all their lives, which makes me somewhat irrelevant. And I am going to tell my pastor that Sunday, and that I think it's best to leave the pride where it stands and go closer to home. Only reason I go thee is that's where my kid goes to school. but this is her last year. I really like what the pastors teach and say, but the "pride of the elders" is driving me away. Shouldn't be that way, but it just is. Thank you for your insights!
I think the "doubting thomases" were being purposely crappy. You have to understand (and sometimes I forget) that these people judge others on how long they have been in the church. I'm coming up on a year next week, but most have been there all their lives, which makes me somewhat irrelevant. And I am going to tell my pastor that Sunday, and that I think it's best to leave the pride where it stands and go closer to home. Only reason I go thee is that's where my kid goes to school. but this is her last year. I really like what the pastors teach and say, but the "pride of the elders" is driving me away. Shouldn't be that way, but it just is. Thank you for your insights!
It is either pride or cynicism. I think they have formed that opinion because they have not experienced a blinding light or an angel with a drawn sword or a talking donkey or a burning bush. But that does not mean miracles have not happened. Being healed overnight of a tumour is a miracle as much as seeing Christ walk to you and ask you to touch His nail-scarred hands. Unfortunately, when you start doubting the relevance of miracles today, you become blind to notice the ones that are happening to you.
If this is the problem with the whole crowd in your church, then you must move out.
If this is the problem with the whole crowd in your church, then you must move out.
W
I think the issue is people associate miracles with receiving what they ask for in prayer. "Lord help me win the Lotto I need this miracle." When it's not so at all, at least in my opinion. A miracle is divine intervention into any matter changing it for the better not always necessarily the outcome we have expected.
A
I believe in miracles. I am a walking testament of God's miracles. I have been healed of PCOS, diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, porn addiction, food addiction, learned to love and forgive. God has done much for me and it has all been miraculous. No matter if I had to walk it out or it happened immediately. Without God intervening, none of it would have been possible.
Oh to be there when the Savior spoke the great command
And to witness in the wonder of His wonder making hands
No miracle has crossed my eyes to cause my heart to see
But by faith I now can realize there's a miracle in me
I have never seen the thousands fed / Or the blind made to see / I have never watched Him raise the dead / But I know when He lifted me
There's a wonder right before my eyes / Close enough to see / In my heart is where this wonder lies / There's a miracle in me
And to witness in the wonder of His wonder making hands
No miracle has crossed my eyes to cause my heart to see
But by faith I now can realize there's a miracle in me
I have never seen the thousands fed / Or the blind made to see / I have never watched Him raise the dead / But I know when He lifted me
There's a wonder right before my eyes / Close enough to see / In my heart is where this wonder lies / There's a miracle in me
K
Miracles are a bit of a perplexing subject for me. When you say "supernatural" you're really talking about some event or phenomena that happened outside the law of nature. While I agree that these events happen and can happen and can be driven by the intervention of God, I don't believe they're outside the law of nature. It might be a rare event, but not outside the law of His creation. I may just be arguing semantics here but while I agree that "spiritual" healings do take place, for instance, I don't believe it's outside the realm of natural law that it did happen. It's rare - it's like ball lightning! I've never seen ball lightning, but it's an event that happens and has been witnessed. But ball lightning isn't something we think of as an intervening act of God. However, it could be an intervening act by God to herald a message to the guy who DID see the ball lightning.
Now, the sunset I saw just last night and took a picture of for ya....
was beautiful enough for someone to say it was miraculous. We know it's a phenomena when the clouds are high enough in altitude to reflect light from a setting sun hidden from our view. We don't think of it as a miracle at a time on this earth when God has created this whole miraculous reality. All around us are miracles.
The LOSS of this knowledge leads people to destroy that which IS a miracle - only because we think we can explain it. Case in point would be the fact that we know how to makes babies. We know the process and are all too willing to follow it in explicit detail, then we give ourselves the option to destroy the outcome! Not because we know HOW this miracle happens, only that it CAN.
I'm digressing. Point is that the "belief" in a miracle is always harder to digest than a natural explanation. It some ways (and this is not for the believer, but the unbeliever) miracles are a hurdle too high to jump and prefer a pragmatic approach to the realization of a Universal God. For me - being a believer - knowing that these so-called miracles are really all well within the confines of the natural law God created, can make my own faith stronger. In other words, I think I can more likely believe in the "unbelievable" if I know it has not strayed from the path of reality, while still marveling at the everyday miracles around me.
How else could my corn grown 8' tall since I planted a seed last May....
Now, the sunset I saw just last night and took a picture of for ya....
was beautiful enough for someone to say it was miraculous. We know it's a phenomena when the clouds are high enough in altitude to reflect light from a setting sun hidden from our view. We don't think of it as a miracle at a time on this earth when God has created this whole miraculous reality. All around us are miracles.
The LOSS of this knowledge leads people to destroy that which IS a miracle - only because we think we can explain it. Case in point would be the fact that we know how to makes babies. We know the process and are all too willing to follow it in explicit detail, then we give ourselves the option to destroy the outcome! Not because we know HOW this miracle happens, only that it CAN.
I'm digressing. Point is that the "belief" in a miracle is always harder to digest than a natural explanation. It some ways (and this is not for the believer, but the unbeliever) miracles are a hurdle too high to jump and prefer a pragmatic approach to the realization of a Universal God. For me - being a believer - knowing that these so-called miracles are really all well within the confines of the natural law God created, can make my own faith stronger. In other words, I think I can more likely believe in the "unbelievable" if I know it has not strayed from the path of reality, while still marveling at the everyday miracles around me.
How else could my corn grown 8' tall since I planted a seed last May....
A
We were talking about miracles in bible study today. The leader put out his opinion that miracles aren't for today. I was shocked. How can you not see God's hand in everything in your life? He was off the opinion that miracles are instant and outside of natural law. Did not God put natural law in place? Yes God can and does perform miracles instantly but more often then not He uses natural law to bring about His miracles. You can't sit there and believe that miracles aren't for today when you look at people being healed, nature, a person's life that has overcome so much. People want to say healings today are because of science...well who created science, doctors, and medicine? We on our own are not smart enough to come up with any of it. We owe all we have to God's teaching and leading us. I get frustrated with people that limit God and try to put him a nice little box that they can understand. God will even use those not in His grace to work His miracles.
There was a miracle in my life, but to explain it I'd have to relate a bit of background:
I grew up in church, but was never really a christian you might say. I was there because my parents went to that church. When my parents split my mother got me and we moved from west TN to east TN, and the only church I knew was my grandmother's (really dead, dry, dull) church.
Fast forward a few years: I was a teenager, riding a bike about 3 or 4 miles to my job at a Taco Bell. Bike riding is of course subject to the weather, and in east TN the mountains cause serious vagaries in said weather. Tornadoes bounce right off so no worries there, but the mountains make their own rain.
Mind you I wasn't going to church at the time, wasn't doing anything at all for God. All I really knew about God was when I was a kid the pastor and Sunday School teachers told me He would be there when I needed Him. Well, occasionally I needed Him. For FOUR YEARS the rain directed itself around my work schedule. Sometimes it would start raining heavily exactly when I got to work, but for four years I never got rained out. In Arizona that might not be spectacular but in east TN that doesn't just happen.
There are other miracles I have seen, but that one happened to me. And God did it for me. Not because I was doing anything for Him, but because I asked and I believed He would do it.
I grew up in church, but was never really a christian you might say. I was there because my parents went to that church. When my parents split my mother got me and we moved from west TN to east TN, and the only church I knew was my grandmother's (really dead, dry, dull) church.
Fast forward a few years: I was a teenager, riding a bike about 3 or 4 miles to my job at a Taco Bell. Bike riding is of course subject to the weather, and in east TN the mountains cause serious vagaries in said weather. Tornadoes bounce right off so no worries there, but the mountains make their own rain.
Mind you I wasn't going to church at the time, wasn't doing anything at all for God. All I really knew about God was when I was a kid the pastor and Sunday School teachers told me He would be there when I needed Him. Well, occasionally I needed Him. For FOUR YEARS the rain directed itself around my work schedule. Sometimes it would start raining heavily exactly when I got to work, but for four years I never got rained out. In Arizona that might not be spectacular but in east TN that doesn't just happen.
There are other miracles I have seen, but that one happened to me. And God did it for me. Not because I was doing anything for Him, but because I asked and I believed He would do it.
B
I definitely do because the Lord has performed many of them for me. I keep telling posters why it is so important to keep a daily relationship with the Lord because He will reward you with His miracles. We constantly hear of Christians in dire need of help and complain of not getting the miracles they hope for.
Christians who do have a strong relationship with the Lord, will usually get their prayers answered in many cases but not always. Sadly, most Christians have a 'lukewarm' relationship with the Lord, or no relationship at all, and they expect "instant results" when they call upon the Lord for help. It just doesn't happen that way.
Christians who do have a strong relationship with the Lord, will usually get their prayers answered in many cases but not always. Sadly, most Christians have a 'lukewarm' relationship with the Lord, or no relationship at all, and they expect "instant results" when they call upon the Lord for help. It just doesn't happen that way.
I have seen miracles....they are real...I have a long list of "no other explaination for it" miracles.....
My nephew got sick with a rare illness..infant botcholism...he had no motor skills...I prayed over the baby at the hospital
and went home......there is no cure for this....there was only a few cases ever reported at the time.....the next day
the baby was fine..moving and wiggling..the doctors had no explaination....there was a news paper article written
for this story to prove this event.....no one could understand how this baby got well....and so quickly...he came home the next day...
So you tell me......miracle? My sister was a none believer and didnt know I prayed...no one knew....
So its still a mystery to everyone but me........
My nephew got sick with a rare illness..infant botcholism...he had no motor skills...I prayed over the baby at the hospital
and went home......there is no cure for this....there was only a few cases ever reported at the time.....the next day
the baby was fine..moving and wiggling..the doctors had no explaination....there was a news paper article written
for this story to prove this event.....no one could understand how this baby got well....and so quickly...he came home the next day...
So you tell me......miracle? My sister was a none believer and didnt know I prayed...no one knew....
So its still a mystery to everyone but me........
A couple of years ago as my daughters and I were leaving a grocery store, my car would not start. It was completely dead. No interior lights, no instrument lights, nothing. I fiddled with the engine a bit, but was pretty clueless as to what to do. It was at night and I didn't have anyone I could call off-hand for help. I tried several times to get it started with no success.
I told the girls we were going to pray. At this time, I did not have any hands or feet on switches or pedals in the car. We all closed our eyes, and I began with something like: "Lord, we come to you for help..." Immediately upon saying those words, the instrument panel lit up. I saw the glow of it through my eyelids. We were stunned. My heart was pounding. (Remember, I wasn't touching anything or trying to start the car at this time.) I finished the prayer before opening my eyes. I looked at the girls. They stared back with wide eyes. The dashboard was lit up. I tried again, and the car started perfectly.
I'm sure that many would find a "logical explanation" for this, but for us it was God.
I told the girls we were going to pray. At this time, I did not have any hands or feet on switches or pedals in the car. We all closed our eyes, and I began with something like: "Lord, we come to you for help..." Immediately upon saying those words, the instrument panel lit up. I saw the glow of it through my eyelids. We were stunned. My heart was pounding. (Remember, I wasn't touching anything or trying to start the car at this time.) I finished the prayer before opening my eyes. I looked at the girls. They stared back with wide eyes. The dashboard was lit up. I tried again, and the car started perfectly.
I'm sure that many would find a "logical explanation" for this, but for us it was God.