Letters To Seoulsearch, Part 3: I Want To Tell You Something... About Someone Else.

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seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Hey Everyone,

For anyone wondering about the origin of these threads and thinking, "Good grief, Seoul, what is this, a marathon???!", I give a full explanation in my "Part 1", post #1, and a shorter summary in "Part 2", post #56.

As a Christian, how do you handle it when someone "wants to tell you something..." but the "something" happens to be how they feel about someone else? How do we define what is, and what is not, gossip, and how do we handle it?

I'm at a loss of what to do when the men who private message me to "correct my faulty thinking" and thoroughly point out how they are right and everyone else is wrong then launch into long diatribes about other members here. First of all, these men are complete strangers to me. I don't know them. They don't know me. But, apparently, they feel a "calling from God" to write me, tell me everything I'm doing wrong, and in the process, tell me about everything they feel others here are doing wrong as well (even mentioning names).

Now as I said, my reaction of choice is to just walk away. But since one person actually used one of my posts against me to imply I that I said I would answer and was backing out of what I myself had said, here I am, wondering how one should react to such a situation.

One of the most inflammatory topics here is the subject of prenuptial agreements. Now, as a formerly married woman who once came home from work to find my husband had moved out in the middle of the day without telling me, I myself fully believe in prenuptial agreements in certain situations, but that has to be determined by the couple and by God. I don't believe they're for everyone but I do believe it's a very personal choice that must be handled by the couple, the appropriate Christian counsel, and of course, God, and I don't feel that we, as outsiders, have the right to judge their decision. But many people disagree with that view, and I can respect that.

However, how does one react when, let's say for example, a stranger writes you and says, "I can't believe people here are writing in support of prenuptial agreements!!! This is obviously unGodly, selfish and blasphemous!", then goes on to talk about other people who have supported such issue and implies that they too are unGodly, selfish blasphemers. As a Christian, what do you do? I know most everyone will say to simply ignore it, but as I said, the problem with private messaging is that sometimes you will continue to be bullied for an answer, and I usually never put someone on Ignore because I want to be aware of what's going on. I am also flabbergasted by the fact that strangers who see themselves as righteous will go to all the trouble of writing someone they don't know, thoroughly slam other people they don't know... and yet still somehow see themselves as not doing anything wrong. Surely it's everyone else who is wrong, not them.

So what if someone, whether here or in real life, will say something to you such as, "Robert has only been here 2 months but talks as if he owns the place. Who does he think he is? Personally, I think he's had some major failures in his life and he's acting that way because he's trying to compensate and cover up for his mistakes. I hate even listening to him--his voice is like a clanging symbol in my ears, and it makes me wonder what he's hiding."

The thing is, I've actually had these situations happen, whether in writing or in real life, and while I know most people will say, just let it go and walk away, my heart is always burning because as a Christian, I feel the need to say something in defense of the person but am never sure of how to reply. Just last week at work, some co-workers were talking about and making fun of a manager and I REALLY REALLY wanted to say something in his defense... but I wasn't of how to go about it... or what to even say.

Furthermore, what if you know things the other person doesn't know about the situation but yet don't want to become a gossip yourself? What if people are pointing out Robert's supposed character flaws but you know something they don't, such as, that Robert has cancer and his wife has just left him because of it?

As a Christian, what do you do? You surely won't tell someone else, let alone people you don't know, about Robert's personal business. But at the same time... God calls us to defend and speak well of people. Is walking away and just praying about the situation always the best way to handle it?

I am truly torn over this and would really like to hear what you think. Don't feel you have to stick with my examples-- if possible, I'd rather hear about your real-life experiences and how you've chosen to handle it.
 

Roh_Chris

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As a Christian, how do you handle it when someone "wants to tell you something..." but the "something" happens to be how they feel about someone else? How do we define what is, and what is not, gossip, and how do we handle it?
First of all, I want to say that this is a very interesting but difficult question. THANK YOU for bringing this out in the open. I am sure that each of us will be blessed in some way by the responses in this thread. :)

Being someone who has been scarred a great extent by slanderers, I have refrained from participating in such activities, barring a slip or two. I know how it hurts when you are on the receiving end.

How do I handle when someone wants to "tell me something about someone else"? Well, I would see if that is good or bad. I look at the person who is telling me this news. If they are known for gossiping, then I would give them only a minute to speak before I divert the topic or leave the place. If the person is not a red flag, then the first few minutes of the conversation would give you a hint of where it is likely to go. If it seems to be going down the wrong path, then I will interrupt them.

Here is how I tell them to cut it out. Owing to the way I socialize (friendly with everyone, but close to none), people rarely gossip to me. If at all someone does, he/she must be well-known and well-accepted by me. In such cases, I would politely tell them, "Hey, hey, I don't want to talk ill about someone behind their back." I just tell that politely and then wait for their response. Most often they would react like a deer caught in headlights. It has an uneasy ending, but I would never hesitate to do that if I have to. On the other hand, I am more receptive if somebody I know wants to vent out about someone else. Then I just give a listening ear, and after they have said all they want I tell them, "Hey, it's okay. Relax. Maybe he/she didn't mean it that way." Problem solved. :)

Furthermore, what if you know things the other person doesn't know about the situation but yet don't want to become a gossip yourself? What if people are pointing out Robert's supposed character flaws but you know something they don't, such as, that Robert has cancer and his wife has just left him because of it?

As a Christian, what do you do? You surely won't tell someone else, let alone people you don't know, about Robert's personal business. But at the same time... God calls us to defend and speak well of people. Is walking away and just praying about the situation always the best way to handle it?
If I know more about the third-person about whom they are talking, then I would tell them that they cannot talk about a person without knowing him and without knowing what he is going through. I would never hesitate to defend the person they are speaking about, if I know something they don't know.

But no matter what I do, I make sure that my response is polite. I would never put down a person or 'cut them down', even if they are wrong. I may be terse with them, but I will always give them the respect they deserve.
 
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INTJer

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Seoulsearch, I obviously don't know you but I am wondering if you are not being assertive enough. Review situations in your life and consider whether or not you were assertive enough.

Sometimes people are frustrated or angry and they want to vent. Sometimes people have an ulterior motive and they are recruiting people for their side, whatever that is. Or maybe they are just looking for an excuse to gossip.

If you receive an unwelcome communication, ignore it the first time. Second time, just say you aren't interested in discussing it, please don't talk to me again about it. If they don't like it, good! Maybe they will leave you alone. You don't owe anyone an explanation. Really, you don't. If it keeps happening, block them.

I have on rare occasions shared info about someone, with someone I knew well. For example, "Be patient with John, he is going through this situation." That's different from broadcasting, "I saw Bob buy a bottle of wine at the grocery store. Do you think he might have a drinking problem? Let's pray for him."
 

seoulsearch

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Roh-Chris: I appreciate your input and found your suggestions to be very helpful, thank you so much :). I completely agree with you and have, on several occasions, encouraged the person speaking about another person to go and speak to that person directly. My feeling is, "If you're willing to tell someone you don't know about another person and you don't know that person very well either... Of the two people you don't know, you need to be speaking to the person you are talking about, not me."

INTJ: Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. In general, I have no problems being assertive, though I do always try to be polite and sometimes choose manners over confrontation.

When someone approaches me with a criticism, I always at least listen to their initial concern. There is a story in the Bible of King David telling his men to allow a man who cursed him to speak, because God may be trying to teach him something, and I feel this way as well. I feel that anyone who approaches me at least deserves for me to hear what they have to say. I will usually try to address their concerns in as considerate of a manner as I can manage. If the person persists, I will then say, "We can agree to disagree. I don't wish to speak about this any further so I wish you the best and let's go our separate ways."

In a few cases, I have also had to say, "If you continue to contact me, I will contact the mods." I also keep their messages in case I need to forward them to a moderator. I usually never block anyone because I want to be aware of what's going on (fortunately, I've never been harassed here to the point of feeling that a block was my only solution.)

Regarding the "Letters to Seoulsearch" questions I've been asking, I told the latest person to write me several times that I didn't wish to argue about the things he was presenting. He answered me back with a copy of one of my own posts in which I said I would always address questions or accusations directed towards me for the sake of clarity. Although it was meant to be in the public forum setting, this person implied that I was not keeping my word and so, I'm answering because I try to be a person of my word, not because I feel I owe an answer. I told him in advance that I would reply publicly and allowed him to reply before writing any of these threads.
 

Fenner

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I like the series you have going on here Kim. Anyhow sometimes we have to say, knock it off. Might not be what Miss Manners would do, but you gotta do what you gotta do. I am one of those people who say, ignore the note, you could say, listen, I don't gossip. I'm sorry you find so and so repulsive, I'd appreciate it if the next time you'd go directly to that person. I'm not comfortable receiving messages like this. Sometimes people might be having a problem with someone and may come to you for third party advice, that's different, but when it's nasty talk, or their opinion differs from mine, therefore they are a heathen who will be roasting marshmallows in Hell. That's just rude and they need to get over themselves.
 
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Just cc the person in question and insist that from here on out they discuss it directly with the person.. That oughtta nip it in the bud nice and quick-like :)
 
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Jullianna

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Some folks like to "pretty up" gossip, but it's still gossip, huh? Most true believers see it for what it is though.

If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. (Matthew 18:15)

Galatians 6:1
Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
 

Lynx

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Gossips... I've known a few. But I won't name them, cause that would be gossip, now wouldn't it? ;)

I'm reminded of a skit by Jerry Jordan, called "Telephone call from God" where he talks on a phone and he's talking like the guy on the other end is God. "Sir? Oh no sir! We don't do that at all, I think it's awful! No sir, we don't gossip at all in this house, the things we talk about people is all true. Yes sir, and when we tell people we make sure to tell them now don't tell anyone else, just keep it between us, you know... We don't want them gossiping about our neighbors, even if they ain't no good... Sir? Oh, you already heard about that? Yes sir, I'll try to do better sir. Yes sir."

Back to the original post and the question posed therein: How do you know when it is gossip? When someone wants to talk to me about someone else, I ask myself two questions. First, is what they are telling me about this person good or bad? If it's good, talk on, I love to hear good things about people. :D If it's bad I ask myself the second question, why do I need to know this? Am I expected to take action to help the situation? Do I need to know something I should guard against when dealing with the person we are discussing? (SPOILER ALERT: Almost always the answer is no.) If it's negative about the person and I can't do anything about it. it's gossip. At that point I usually politely ask the talker to stop telling me something I really don't need to know.

Of course we christians, we have a way around that. "You need to pray for Bro. So-and-so." "Oh really, what's wrong?" And then he tells me all about what is going wrong in Brother So-and-so's life, and then we go on our separate ways... and of course neither of us remembers to pray for the brother, praying wasn't the objective in the first place. We just used it as an excuse. ;)
 
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Sometimes people are frustrated or angry and they want to vent. Sometimes people have an ulterior motive and they are recruiting people for their side, whatever that is. Or maybe they are just looking for an excuse to gossip.
I totally agree. I learned today the hard way. A seemingly harmless thread can often be used for ulterior motives. Believe me, I watch much more carefully now & no longer look at it as its portrayed.

As someone has already said, "prettied-up" gossip is still gossip. I would like to add to it that prettied-up recruitment is still recruitment. I was shocked that it was going on right under my nose! Excellent statement, INTJer!
 

ChandlerFan

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This may not be true for everyone, but for me I always seem to know deep down when a line has been crossed as far as speaking ill of other people. I think it's really a matter of the heart behind it all. If I have a negative remark to say to one person about another, I generally try to say something positive about them as well, but there are times when I just sense that our conversation is not building each other up at all, let alone the person we're talking about when we're merely spouting rotten things about them. It's an easy habit to form I think, but not a good one to get into.

When faced with a circumstance where a fellow Christian is negatively going on and on about another brother or sister in Christ, it would be okay to say that you don't like to speak poorly of your brother or sister behind their back, and then step away from the conversation or change the subject.
 

Lynx

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Well I've heard people
Talking bout people
Most everywhere I go
To hear them tell it
They were there when it happened
And there's nothing they don't know
Now you may not approve
Of the things I've done
But if you're gonna talk about me
Make sure to tell someone
Who can do something bout it
And please do it on your knees

Well you can tell the Lord everything I've done
That didn't seem right to you
But don't tell your neighbor, cause he could never give me
The grace to see me through
You can tell Him all about how weak I am
And pray that He'll strengthen me
You can talk about me anytime you want to
Just please do it on your knees
 

phil36

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It's not an easy one to answer.

If there is a question asked in a public forum then being answered in a public forum isn't really gossip. Everyone can read the topic being discussed/debated. We just need to be mindful (note to self!). On the other hand if someone issues information about someone else publically, without the permission of the person involved, that's worse than gossip and quite malicious.

This is where it gets difficult. If someone asks for your advice about and issue with someone else, and they are genuinely seeking help to resolve something etc, well then that to me is probably justifiable, however, it would be gossip for you then to tell someone else (of course it would be preferable if they spoke to the people involved first etc).

If they just want to tell stores about other people whether true or not.. I would just tell them I'm not interested.

And then there is the accuser.. these are the ones who accuse everyone of being Godless because they don't meet some criteria..usually unbiblical criteria based upon a biblical theme. or just being overzealous.

One issue you pointed out Seol search, would make a good example and that is 'prenuptial agreements'. What do we do with this sort of thing..its not really mentioned in the bible, yet we can have allsorts of accusations. First of all we need to look at what actually is a 'prenuptial agreement' - and basically it sets out 'legally' who get's what and how, when the relationship ends.

Having such an agreement shouldn't attract accusations of being godless, or heathen etc. I have my own opinion about prenupials, whether they are good or not..but its not for this thread! believe me that took restraint :)