Letters To Seoulsearch, Part 4: "No Experience Necessary?"

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seoulsearch

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Hey everyone,

One of the criticisms brought up in a recent letter to me was the fact that some posters (as in, myself :)) here in Singles voice strong thoughts and opinions regarding situations that we, ourselves, have never experienced. The other concern was that many of us "speak from feelings" and don't "back what we say" with a list of Scriptures.

I actually think these points are perfectly reasonable and was wondering what you all had to say. Does someone with no experience in a certain area have any authority or credibility to speak about such things? Can what they say be taken seriously or should it be disregarded, since they have not lived through it themselves? And should we all be ready with the right Bible verses to support everything we say?

For example, if you have no experience with these things, can you credibly speak about:

1. Marriage.
2. Children (and raising them.)
3. Divorce.
4. Godly leadership (if you've never led something.)

If you don't have these things on your personal resume, are you even allowed to speak about them, and should you be believed?

I myself am guilty of all of the above. I admit that I am a very emotionally-based persona and speak from the basis of how certain experiences have made me feel rather than the pure logic of the matter, and I do believe that it's necessary to be cautious when speaking about things we haven't gone through ourselves.

Using myself as an example, I don't have kids, but I raised someone else's for 3 years, so I have a small taste (and huge empathy for parents) as to what it's like. But I do try to keep my input fairly small and let the single parents here do most of the talking about issues such as raising children because I feel I have no authority in that area. I can contribute here and there, but mostly, I like to listen and ask questions so I can learn.

I don't believe you have to have lived through something in order to contribute something valuable to the discussion, but I do believe (for myself) in not making any absolute statements or judgments because my situation is mine alone, and I can't speak for someone else's.

But as single people, how much authority or credibility do we all have in speaking about how Godly marriages should develop and be carried out?

As for not having Scriptures to back everything I say... It's not that I'm Biblically ignorant, though of course, I'm by far from being an expert, either. I always use sewing as my example. Right now, I'm trying to determine how to adjust a pair of short to fit me personally. I've read the facts of how to go about it in 3 different books. But I am still looking for a YouTube demonstration because if I don't see something actively demonstrated, I can't utilize the information. This is just how I'm wired for most "step-by-step" techniques, and my spiritual life is the same. Coming here, sharing, and asking you to share in return is me asking for your "YouTube video" of how to apply Biblical principles in my own life.

It does not, at all, negate my belief in God's Word. For example, the Bible tells us to "have faith", which is solid and unshakable. But if, for example, I have a loved one who has cancer, I am completely unsure as to how I can put that faith into action in that particular situation. I need others' "demonstrations" to see how it's done, which not only builds my faith, but also connects me to other people. Admittedly, I tend to worry more about "putting the story out there" without having any passages to support what I'm trying to say, and maybe that's something I need to work on.

As an interesting side note, I just read an article observing that Paul almost never quoted Jesus in his writings... because one of his purposes was to give practical applications and meaning to what Jesus taught and did. I too am seeking the practical when I post, though I do understand that including more Scripture is probably never a bad idea!

So, in conclusion: Do we have the right to speak about areas with which we have no experience? And, should we all start listing Bible verses to "prove" everything we have to say?

What are your thoughts?
 
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Jullianna

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I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly hope that people can learn from things I've done right in my life, as well as things I've done wrong, without ever having to bear the scars thereof. God brings good from bad. I would hate to think that children can't know that a hot stove can burn them without putting an actual body part to it.

As both George Santayana and Edmund Burke have said (in different ways): Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Learning to make thoughtful choices by being observant of lives/situations surrounding us is wisdom.
 

Lynx

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You don't have to personally experience something to know a bit about it. I observe from others that drinking, smoking and drugs are all addictive, all destructive and all very seductive to the senses. I'm a great believer in learning from the mistakes of others. They're going to make them anyway, so I might as well benefit. I can observe that if a person always revs his motor and takes off like a shot, his transmission won't last very long. I don't have to drive like that myself to observe that.

Having said that, observation will only go so far. One must be careful of the tendency to give advice just because one thinks it is right, or because that's what one heard from someone else. "Every man knows what to do with a kicking mule... until he has one of his own." I might let a parent know that his kid was acting up in Sunday School class, but I would never think of advising how to discipline said child because I'm a single guy with no children of my own. Likewise I would not say to a drunkard or drug addict that I know what he's going through and "You can do it!" because I have no clue what he's going through.

It's a fine line. I can advise others to not even try things because I've observed everyone who tries it coming to a bad end, but I can't advise those who have already tried it because I've never been there myself.
 

Pipp

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I always give advice about stuff I've not experienced. I have however watched many things and have the word of God as a guide and a little discernment. It's OK if people don't wanna take it to heart for that reason. My responsibly isn't to make someone accept it... All I can do is throw it out there. I will however take advice from someone in certain areas whether they've had experience or not.
 
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I have given such"unexperienced" advice before, but I use the Scripture's examples, for God's word is always right.

However, I don't think people should give "unexperienced" advice to people in need of help without a biblical example.

In 1Kings 12 Rehoboam the son of Solomon refused to hear the experienced counselors of his father & instead listened to his unexperienced friends. The result was the kingdom of Israel was split in two.

I have seen on CC many times young christians listening to armchair preachers, internet theologians, & the like & watch them mess up precious lives.

If it's wrong in the major things, isn't it wrong in the minor ones too?
 

CatHerder

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I take all advice into consideration. I appreciate it when people clarify what experience they have or don't have. People don't need to have been in my position to share their wisdom. And yes. I appreciate it when they share a RELEVANT verse.
 
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It's been my experience on Christian Chat that there's one fact that cannot be overlooked: you really don't know who you're talking to. So, who's on the other end giving me this "advice"?

Then there's the old cliche' "Just because everybody says the same thing doesn't mean it's right". How true.

Israel got into trouble over & over for "doing what's right in their own eyes". I see the same thing in threads all the time. Someone giving advice from their personal "beliefs".

If our beliefs don't match God's, what good is our advice? Such beliefs are sin, & the advice given from them passes the sin to someone else. I wouldn't want to stand before God for stuff like that.
 

gypsygirl

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well, i think it's a misnomer to think that you can't have "learned from experience" about things unless you have experienced them in a direct and first-hand way.

for example, i feel like i've learned a LOT about marriage as conscious observer, which has taught me a great deal about some aspects, and of course, less about others. so it's incomplete insight, or knowledge.

however, i will point out that a lot of people who marry don't necessarily know much about being successfully married, because this is such a highly complex subject that encompasses many knowledge bases. including:

+ communication
+ conflict resolution
+ working together towards common goals

that said, there are aspects of marriage i certainly do not feel fit to give advice or able to relate beyond my imagination. so, assuming i have someone seeking my input, i definitely pick and choose the areas in which i feel capable of offering input.

all of these other subjects are very much the same--broad, and complicated, with many facets. so i would say this definitely applies.

on the other hand, there are definitely subjects that i get very annoyed when people try to make assumptions as to how they would (or i, or someone else should behave) as a result of that. one great example of that is that many years ago i was sexually assaulted you'd be (really) surprised how many people will tell you both what is normal, how you should feel, and give you ample advice when they don't have any clue what it really is like.

many things seem intuitive, but often, just aren't. i see it all the time, when people speculate with how they would handle a situation that they are not in, and get all worked up, declaring that "they would never" or "if he was my child, i'd do this...".

in reality, our ability to relate and "put ourselves in others' shoes" is quite limited--usually we can only speculate. we need to be slower to say, "if that was me, i'd have never done that..." or whatever. because you just don't know.
 
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Roh_Chris

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So, in conclusion: Do we have the right to speak about areas with which we have no experience?
We have the right to voice our opinion/advice even though we may not be experienced. But that would just be restricted to how we think something must be done. Criticizing somebody for a mistake in the area is not credible unless we have walked a mile in his/her shoes.

And, should we all start listing Bible verses to "prove" everything we have to say?
No. And before you draw out your swords and cock your guns, allow me to explain. The Bible is the Word of God. It provides a guide to all facets of life. But the guidance given in the Bible fall into two categories - explicit and implicit. It is useful to quote the Bible for explicit topics like is Jesus the Son of God, is there life after death, are humans made by God, criminal activities like murder and theft, etc. The Bible clearly states what is wrong in the sight of God and what is right.

However, there are certain topics like clothing, alcohol, beauty, etc. which are open to our interpretation. And human interpretation greatly depends on nature and nurture. I call them implicit topics. The Bible only gives a framework for these topics and not a hard-and-fast rule of what is wrong or right. Perhaps this is because God understood the cultural differences around the world i.e. what is wrong for one may not be wrong for another, because they live in different social environments. Quoting the Bible to prove a point while discussing such topics will lead to nowhere. For, as much as you can quote numerous verses to add weight to your argument, so can I. In the end, neither of us is edified and the only one who laughs at the confusion is the enemy.

Hence, unless the Bible explicitly states its opinion on a particular topic, it is best not to quote it while "proving" every point you want to make. This is the only reason why I stay away from the Bible discussion forum.
 

Lynx

Folksy yet erudite
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Roh_Chris you mean you don't wear a sari? For shame brother! I can find bible verses to prove that you should, or you are...

Wait, we're staying away from the bible discussion forum. Never mind. Don't want to bring that forum here. :p

*Lynx wanders away whistling, which is actually not a small feat considering feline mouths were never made to whistle.
 

ChandlerFan

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Let's be honest, speaking to situations we ourselves have never been in is something that everyone does. The person who presented this criticism to you, seoulsearch, has done it no doubt. I will admit that there are times when I say things and then wonder if I can biblically back up what I had just said, but for the most part I would prefer that someone ask for that rather than me having to feel like every point that I make must be accompanied by a Bible reference. There are certain things that we just know are right anyway, and while it is never bad to supplement an idea with Scripture, it is also not always necessary. Often people who demand that from you are just throwing up a smokescreen anyway.
 

Desdichado

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Hey everyone,
So, in conclusion: Do we have the right to speak about areas with which we have no experience? And, should we all start listing Bible verses to "prove" everything we have to say?

What are your thoughts?
I've been introducing this legal concept to the forum- persuasive but not binding.

When a court weighs the judgment of other authority figures, particularly in the common law, these judgments or factors at work are either considered essential to consider and act upon (by essential, I mean compelled by law), and things that are important, but the court is not in any way forced by precedent to act upon them.

Some things in life are not open to questioning, i.e. binding. They are the things of God. The things of God, including wisdom, can be expressed in many ways and by many different kinds of people.

Experience is one of those things that is not binding. But it is persuasive. I don't mind people offering opinions on things they have no experience with to a certain degree. Why? They could be wise in their counsel. Furthermore, they will be objective.

On that note, experience can also blur objectivity. There are things I will not comment on in this very forum because my experiences cause emotion to creep in that would blur my view of the other person's situation.

So yes, we have the right to comment on things in which we have no experience. To express frustration otherwise is usually pointless.


Scripture, on the other hand, is binding. I see no need to post it alongside everything. In fact, in some ways, it is a bad habit because it leads to proof-texting.

I would say though to always have a Biblical justification for what you post.
 

PopClick

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Wisdom enables people to avoid making some mistakes in the first place. So no, I do not think that someone needs to have gone through something in order to give wise counsel about it. It's possible that the very reason that person A does not have personal experience with something, is because they have wisdom about the situation.

But I do very much agree with gypsy girl about not saying that we would have done this or that, if we were in a certain situation. Until you have been there, you really can't know how you would have handled things.
 
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Aya2011

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I have a ton of experience in my life, its like I've been there and done that. I was a pretty messed up kid growing up. And now, I'm a single mom of a two-year old child. But behind all of these, I still feel uncomfortable giving advice to someone. I'm not really good in giving encouragement and I feel so awkward by it.
 
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I've gotten some really wonderful advice from people who have never been in situations even close to mine. Their advice was thoughtful, perceptive, humble, intuitive and wise. Sometimes just looking at something through a different viewpoint helps. Let's face it, we all get a little less objective when we've been through something.

I've also gotten advice from people who assumed they knew what I was going through when they didn't have a clue, and their advice was thoughtless, prideful, full of ulterior motive, judgemental and hurtful.

I think more important than the experience is the heart behind the advice. God can use anyone to speak to anyone else.
 
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If we shouldn't speak on anything we haven't experienced, then since none of us have never actually met Jesus or God...
:rolleyes:
 

Lynx

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If we shouldn't speak on anything we haven't experienced, then since none of us have never actually met Jesus or God...
:rolleyes:
Alright, that's it!
*picks up a stone and prepares to throw it...